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Youtube ^ | 1/16/11 | JN Roberts

Posted on 01/16/2011 7:36:24 AM PST by JNRoberts

I notice the honor guard all turn at once except for 1. He seems to pause intentionally, then turn much slower than the others. Was this intentional or a mess up?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: military; protocol; spartansixdelta
I have a question that maybe a freeper can help me with. I was looking at this beautiful video of the 9/11 memorial service, Battle Hymn of the Republic. At around the 2:31 mark, I notice the honor guard all turn at once except for 1. He seems to pause intentionally, then turn much slower than the others. Was this intentional or a mess up? If intentional, what is the significance? Thank You. God bless.
1 posted on 01/16/2011 7:36:27 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

It’s all about keeping the honor guard line “in line” and uniform...if he turned at the same pace as the others did it would throw the symetry of the “line” off.


2 posted on 01/16/2011 7:38:20 AM PST by Neets
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To: JNRoberts

It didn’t look intentional to me, it looked like the guy missed the cue.


3 posted on 01/16/2011 7:42:09 AM PST by SkiKnee
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To: Neets

huh?


4 posted on 01/16/2011 7:44:47 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: SkiKnee

I am with you.


5 posted on 01/16/2011 7:48:21 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Neets

Uh.....yeah.....huh? :)


6 posted on 01/16/2011 7:48:45 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

Maybe he was the one giving the commands? He gives the right face command to the others and then turns himself?


7 posted on 01/16/2011 7:50:31 AM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: JNRoberts

clearly an error.. he missed the cue


8 posted on 01/16/2011 7:51:14 AM PST by davidosborne (2012 will be the year of the INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE ! let's GOOOH !)
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To: JNRoberts

He screwed up.


9 posted on 01/16/2011 7:52:05 AM PST by Cannon6
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To: JNRoberts

And in the grand scheme of thing, this is a big deal worth being made of it because??????


10 posted on 01/16/2011 7:52:17 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: smokingfrog

That would be good....it almost seems intentional. He turns much slower. If it’s a mess up, well, I can only compare it to the taps player at the JFK funeral....almost seemed like divine providence for that taps player to miss a key....it was just a bad time for America that weekend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2h3z3Jqqo0


11 posted on 01/16/2011 7:53:44 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: Keith in Iowa

I can always count on Jerks to show up. Never fail.


12 posted on 01/16/2011 7:54:44 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

I asked a simple question.

The jerk is the one that’s getting all knicker-knotted over something so infinitely trivial.

Hint: I ain’t the jerk here.


13 posted on 01/16/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: JNRoberts

Why do you hate the military?


14 posted on 01/16/2011 7:58:26 AM PST by 1rudeboy (That's a joke.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

No, it’s just a simple and very legitimate question. Just like you are a simple and legitimate jerk. There’s one in every crowd.


15 posted on 01/16/2011 7:59:10 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: 1rudeboy

No, I love the military...Jerk #2 shows up.


16 posted on 01/16/2011 7:59:43 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: Keith in Iowa

A big deal isn’t being made of it by this Freeper. They are simply asking a question.


17 posted on 01/16/2011 7:59:43 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: JNRoberts

Look at the parenthetical after my name on my earlier comment. :)


18 posted on 01/16/2011 8:00:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: DrewsMum

>>>A big deal isn’t being made of it by this Freeper. They are simply asking a question.

Oh gee, my bagel didn’t have enough “everything” to be an everything bagel... I think I’ll run to my computer and make a post on Free Republic to ask why....


19 posted on 01/16/2011 8:02:05 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Keith,

In the grand scheme of things it really is not a big deal.. probably would have been "cut" from the video except for the fact that the "audio" track would have been worse.. but then it was a "live broadcast"... personally I prefer raw video.. the "real deal" so to speak. I could have edited this video and make myself look better but I posted it "as is" imperfections and all.... I asked a young sergeant if he was okay with me "embarrasing him" a little and help me motivate the class.. LOL he was a good sport and I was shooting from the hip.. LOL

nobody else in the class except the young Sergeant and the soldier I asked to video knew what was coming...... LOL .. The demonstrator obviously did not know what I was going to do.... truthfully.. neither did I... LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhG2sDh0zJc

20 posted on 01/16/2011 8:03:12 AM PST by davidosborne (2012 will be the year of the INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE ! let's GOOOH !)
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To: DrewsMum

Thanks Drew. I love the Military, so much, I kind of wish it was intentional, that there was a meaning to it. i.e. missing man formation. But if it is a mess up......that’s ok too because like Taps at JFK, it shows the humanity, the imperfection of humannity even at a sacred time. We expect the military to be precision, and it is....but when they mess up.....it shows they are human too. Perhaps moved by emotions, grief, God bless them.


21 posted on 01/16/2011 8:03:24 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: DrewsMum

The Poster needs to call the Military and ask them....wasted time coming to this thread.


22 posted on 01/16/2011 8:05:04 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

He DID call the military ... I got the call .. :)


23 posted on 01/16/2011 8:06:39 AM PST by davidosborne (2012 will be the year of the INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE ! let's GOOOH !)
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To: JNRoberts
I think the video's timing is off. Not honor guard, but they are doing it correctly here: Honor
24 posted on 01/16/2011 8:06:59 AM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Madison....do I understand you to believe they actually did all turn at once, but the problem is with the video? Is that possible? Isn’t it LIVE?


25 posted on 01/16/2011 8:08:11 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts; 1rudeboy
No, I love the military...Jerk #2 shows up.

1rudeboy's just playing.

He's mostly a decent sort, but don't tell him I said that. ;-)

26 posted on 01/16/2011 8:08:44 AM PST by Allegra (You're a towel.)
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To: JNRoberts

When was that filmed? They all looked younger.


27 posted on 01/16/2011 8:10:14 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter

well, the original video was the week of 9/11. Is that what you are asking?


28 posted on 01/16/2011 8:12:31 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: davidosborne
He DID call the military ... I got the call .. :)

LOL - right on.

I wish I could view your video. I wanted to see it the other day when you pinged me to it as well.

However, I am still in "that place" and I know you're aware of the bandwidth situation here. ;-)

I'm going to bookmark the link so I can view it next time I'm home.

Godspeed!

29 posted on 01/16/2011 8:13:40 AM PST by Allegra (You're a towel.)
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To: madison10

Maybe it’s live, but it seems to be jagged. Could just be my computer. Hard to know if someone is “off cue” if the video is jagged.


30 posted on 01/16/2011 8:14:59 AM PST by madison10
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To: JNRoberts

Yes I was asking when this was filmed. I see the senior Bushs from time to time and I was struck by how young they look in this video.


31 posted on 01/16/2011 8:17:00 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Keith in Iowa
Dont think he was "making a big deal", he was asking if it had significance. Maybe like when the jet flys away in the "missing man formation"
32 posted on 01/16/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: davidosborne

;)


33 posted on 01/16/2011 8:19:48 AM PST by caww
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To: JNRoberts
Have you ever used a Compass for drawing a circle ?

Dose the Pin move as fast as the Pencil ?

I was Honor Guard in the Navy Depending on what turn is being made left right or center turn any of the three has a pivot point .

Sorry i didn't see the Honor Guard Procession you were speaking of but if one person is out of march step while turning it can make it look like it was screwed up.

If the Turn was executed wrong that's a whole other matter someone hasn't been drilled enough or wasn't concentrating on the Business at hand.

34 posted on 01/16/2011 8:22:57 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Atomic, appreciate the sincere reply. I think if you were able to see the video, you would see that, while I understand your analogy, this would not be the case here because all of the other soldiers turned at precisely the same time. And they did so rather rapidly.

The last one paused, then turned much slower which made me wonder if there was a significance to it. Not only that he didn’t turn with the rest......but the much slower turn.

I do appreciate the sincere attempts to explain. I am beginning to think it was just a mess up but as i said...that is a blessing too in showing the humanity , the imperfect precision, the imperfect humanity even at our most sacred times.....even missing man reflects that to some degree although I realize the missing jet represents the fallen soldier.....and that is certainly imperfect humanity.....thanks again.


35 posted on 01/16/2011 8:33:35 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts
No big deal. During WWII I was often used to blow taps at military funerals. On one very cold day, even by keeping the mouth piece in my pocket in my hand, it didn't do anything for my mouth. I screwed up taps.

I can imagine how this guy felt. Let's not further embarrass one of our own.

36 posted on 01/16/2011 8:37:15 AM PST by Logical me
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

The “Right Face” was executed while the audience was singing the lead man in the column formation obviously missed the cue.. which was either a “Right Face” command given by a team member or some other cue that he simply missed


37 posted on 01/16/2011 8:38:21 AM PST by davidosborne (2012 will be the year of the INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE ! let's GOOOH !)
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To: Keith in Iowa

ok, that’s nice. Since you know everything alread and never have questions. Funny to me, you’re spending your time on this thread....must be worth something


38 posted on 01/16/2011 8:39:25 AM PST by DrewsMum
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To: Logical me

Thanks Logical, I admire your service. THey played Taps at my Pop’s funeral, Korea Vet. I’ll never forget it. Salute!


39 posted on 01/16/2011 8:42:06 AM PST by JNRoberts
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To: JNRoberts

I can’t see the video right now but what it sounds like you are describing a lot of standard honor guard movements at a funeral where the last member is the last to break the line. For example, when the NPB (non commissioned officer in charge of pallbearers) calls Port, Arms. The first three members turn Port Arms, then the fourth member holds a three count before turning. During a funeral, when calling Fallout, the seventh member of the line holds and takes position next to the NPB.
As for the why, simply tradition. It does give an air of honor though as the last member still is facing the family or casket (depending on the time of the move) and slowly turns instead of the whole formation turning at once.


40 posted on 01/16/2011 9:10:26 AM PST by mnehring
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To: JNRoberts
The lad simply didn't hear the preparatory command over the singing.

I did it with my entire battalion once. Kinda stands out in a brigade formation. 8^) So I feel for the kid ... Fortune de guerre. LoL

41 posted on 01/16/2011 9:48:52 AM PST by LTCJ (The Constitution; first, last, always.)
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To: JNRoberts

Looks like a simple mistake to me. He was at the end of the line with his back to the others. I think he just missed or misunderstood the cue for the turn. I didn’t hear or see a command. Wonder if they had a point in the music/song they were supposed to turn on.


42 posted on 01/16/2011 9:51:06 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JNRoberts

He’s the only one who couldn’t see any of the others, and the background sounds were significant. I give him a human pass.

I’d be more apt (though not likely) to find fault in how, after they turn, some of them start “squidging” their feet, perhaps in the knowledge that their brand new dress shoes hurt like heck, and they may be stuck like that for a while. :)


43 posted on 01/16/2011 9:59:14 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: JNRoberts

I think he missed the order to turn. It looked to me like the guy on the left gave the order and with the music he just may not have heard the command.


44 posted on 01/16/2011 1:49:31 PM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: mnehring

>>>It does give an air of honor though as the last member still is facing the family or casket (depending on the time of the move) and slowly turns instead of the whole formation turning at once.>>>>

Mnehring.....what a beautiful thought. Thank you so much for this. Hopefully, we learn something new every day and this is something I am proud to know about our military. What sets America apart? The value we place on a human life, the dignity of a person even in death...especially a soldier. Thank You.


45 posted on 01/16/2011 2:06:38 PM PST by JNRoberts
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To: mnehring

Excellent response.


46 posted on 01/16/2011 4:22:21 PM PST by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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To: mnehring
As for the why, simply tradition. It does give an air of honor though as the last member still is facing the family or casket (depending on the time of the move) and slowly turns instead of the whole formation turning at once.

Sounds very plausible to me. That way someone is "regarding" the family/casket for the fullest extent possible - and even when he turns away it isn't just a businesslike quick turn.

47 posted on 01/16/2011 4:33:02 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: JNRoberts

It’s cool I made my fair share of mistakes when i was in i know i wasn’t the only one lol and i wasn’t the last God Bless them all It happens....


48 posted on 01/17/2011 9:16:18 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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