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Sluggish? Confused? Vitamin B12 May Be Low
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Posted on 01/19/2011 3:53:18 AM PST by JoeProBono

Tired? Depressed? Forgetting things? Who isn't these days?

Those are also symptoms of a deficiency of B12, a key nutrient needed to make red blood cells and DNA and keep the nervous system working right.....

"B12 deficiency is much more common than the textbooks and journal articles say it is," says Alan Pocinki, an internist in Washington D.C., who routinely tests his patients who fall into those categories. He also notes that since the Metformin connection was discovered only recently,

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KEYWORDS: b12; health; nutrition; supplements; vitaminb12; vitamins
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1 posted on 01/19/2011 3:53:20 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono
Sluggish? Confused?

Damn...now liberals will have a different excuse.

2 posted on 01/19/2011 3:55:35 AM PST by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: catfish1957

I have found that I benefit from B12 injections. I’m following this research with a lot of interest.


3 posted on 01/19/2011 3:59:15 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: catfish1957

May not be getting enough ketchup.


4 posted on 01/19/2011 4:02:53 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Jemian

My mom has really started feeling better after getting those B12 shots

I`m following how this goes as well


5 posted on 01/19/2011 4:11:41 AM PST by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: Jemian

Is there any reason why a vitamin suppliment wouldn’t do the same thing?


6 posted on 01/19/2011 4:26:35 AM PST by reagan_fanatic
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To: reagan_fanatic

Yes. It has to do with absorbtion. Many of us lack the ability to absorb the B12 present within food. Therefore, swallowing pills will not cause it to enter the blood stream.

I’ve tried the sublingual tablets and letting it disolve under the tongue. I don’t get the same results.

I began my B12 overseas and have been able to acquire what I need there. I inject myself. It really isn’t hard to do.


7 posted on 01/19/2011 4:34:17 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: Jemian

I’ve never tried the shots. I hate shots . . . had to have shots after getting bitten by a stray dog when I was six, in the stomach, arm and butt.

So I take the sublingual and can usually tell a difference in 72 or so hours taking 2-3 twice a day.

How often do you do the shots?


8 posted on 01/19/2011 4:46:19 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: JoeProBono

This is a very important vitamin. Both my father in law and my mother, both elderly, ended up in the hospital. The problem? Extremely low vitamin B12.


9 posted on 01/19/2011 4:50:22 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Yes, sublingual vitamin B12, unless your extremely low, then they give you shots for that. My mother gets a shot once a month. Not sure how long that’ll go on. My father in law I believe was getting them weekly for awhile.


10 posted on 01/19/2011 4:52:09 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Jemian

I take large doses of B complex every day. I can tell such a difference. My restless leg syndrome is almost gone and I have so much more energy.


11 posted on 01/19/2011 4:52:51 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: JoeProBono

When I tried drinking Red Bull, I was like, “Wow! I’m smart again! Forget wings... this gives me brain cells!” Then, I read several articles saying the who Taurine fad was a load of nonsense; that Red Bull merely was a caffeine-based stimulant. Since coffee or soda makes me feel LESS intelligent, that explanation didn’t wash with me. But I noticed Red Bull also contains lots of vitamin B-12, so I tried taking B-12 supplements.

The liquid-form B-12 supplements have a similar effect as Red Bull. I’m guessing the solid-form ones I’ve had just aren’t digested as well. But I’m fairly certain that B-12 is a key ingredient to why Red Bull has such an effect on me.


12 posted on 01/19/2011 4:55:38 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. John Crysostom ("the Golden-Mouthed"))
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To: Jemian

13 posted on 01/19/2011 4:58:31 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Qwackertoo; Jemian

Curious whether either of you have had any experience with liquid-form B-12, energy drinks, etc. Post #12 is about my experience with energy drinks, which contain high doses of B-12.


14 posted on 01/19/2011 4:58:40 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. John Crysostom ("the Golden-Mouthed"))
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To: Jemian

The other thing that can make you feel terrible is if your vitamin D is low. And believe it our not the majority of American’s don’t get enough vitamin D. You need direct sunlight for about 10-20 minutes, several times a week, without sun block. If you live in the north, that can be more often. And in the in winter, even if you could go out in the sun with nothing on all day in the far north, you’d get no vitamin D. The darker your skin is, the longer you have to be in the sun. Also, the heavier you are, the harder it is for your body to produce the D you need. There is also a connection between low D and a bunch of different cancers. Including breast, prostate and even skin cancer.


15 posted on 01/19/2011 4:58:56 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: catfish1957

B-12 is water-soluble and quickly metabolized. Relatively harmless in normal dosing but probably only useful in certain forms of anemia. Unfortunately we urinate away most vitamin supplements which probably aren’t necessary if you eat a healthy, balanced diet. Good luck though.


16 posted on 01/19/2011 5:00:03 AM PST by Doc Savage
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17 posted on 01/19/2011 5:01:46 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Qwackertoo

I, too, hate shots. I used to have weekly and then monthly allergy shots all the way through grades 2 - 12. But I began this treatment living in the jungle of Papua and the nurses didn’t want to spend their time on it and so I learned.

I inject in the muscle of my thigh and I inject at least 2 mg each week. If I use less than that, I begin having dizzy spells, can’t look up into the sky or up a tree and lose my footing going down stairs. I also stop driving because moving objects lose their correct place in the universe. Another symptom I develop is a creepy, fungus-in-the-brain, fuzzy headache. It feels like a fungus begins growing in between my brain and my skull. I know that is probably not a good description but it is the best I’ve come up with. When I have a regular, steady intake of B12 these symptoms disappear.

There are other symptoms that I have, too, but I’m afraid I’ve bored you.


18 posted on 01/19/2011 5:05:29 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: dangus

Other key depression-causing micronutrient deficiencies:

Magnesium: Absorption, again, is key. Most supplements use Magnesium Hydroxide (MgOH), which is useless.

Vitamin D: Seasonal Affective Disorder? Nah, probably Vitamin D deficiency.

Calcium: It’s not the total amount of calcium you consume; it’s how much you consume relative to phosphorus. And phosphoric acid is what gives cola that special tingle. And what makes a certain Iced Tea, “Brisk.”


19 posted on 01/19/2011 5:05:57 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. John Crysostom ("the Golden-Mouthed"))
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To: JoeProBono

Precisely. But I prefer vials to ampules. I hate snapping that top off.


20 posted on 01/19/2011 5:07:22 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: Jemian

Do you inject with the insulin needles?


21 posted on 01/19/2011 5:09:32 AM PST by McGavin999 ("I was there when we had the numbers, but didn't have the principles"-Jim DeMint)
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To: MsLady
I agree. But, when I'm overseas, I live just 2½° below the equator and I'm outside all the time. In this country, I have to conciously make sure I spend time in the sun. There are Vit. D supplements. I like the sun.
22 posted on 01/19/2011 5:09:50 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: McGavin999

I use #25 needles.


23 posted on 01/19/2011 5:11:03 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: Jemian
If your that close to the equator you shouldn't need vit. D supplements. Just 10 minutes probably 4 or 5 days a week is enough. Also if you get a tan, it takes the body longer to make that D. In just 30 minutes in the sun your body makes about 20,000iu of D.

I like the sun too, but, I live just about as far north as you can live in the lower 48 states. When I had my D level checked it was 14, base line is 40. Took me forever to get it up to 50, almost 2 years and I was taking between 5,000 and 20,000 a day. So when they say, don't take a lot of vitamin D you might overdose. It takes a long time and a lot of vitamin D to get that much if your low. Your body uses around 4000 a day and if you have any auto-immune diseases, it soaks it up.

24 posted on 01/19/2011 5:27:30 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: dangus

I’ve never tried the liquid version in drinks. Only one I ever drank was maybe a Pepsi Extreme but I think it was mainly extra caffeine . . . we were on the road home from TX and I needed it for the last 2 hours to make it home.


25 posted on 01/19/2011 5:39:20 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: MsLady

My Vitamin D is low. One of those danged if you do/don’t since I am VERY FAIR. Sounds like I need to get out on the deck anyway as soon as we see the sun in the south again. We had 8” + of snow last week and expecting more tomorrow and we’re in N AL.


26 posted on 01/19/2011 5:41:22 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Jemian

WOW those are pretty scary symptoms. After falling, my fault, this summer and breaking my ankle . . . you should be careful as it is a horrible recovery but I managed without surgery and a bi-mal fracture and being right foot I couldn’t drive for about 3 months.

I did the allergy shots for a while but a 750+ mile move about 20 years ago seemed to have cured me . . . knock knock on wood. I would stand in like a doorway and “roll my arm” against the wood and inject there. I hated it.


27 posted on 01/19/2011 5:44:51 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Qwackertoo

Go to Walmart and buy 2000 iu Vitimin D3 geltabs and take two or three every day this winter. They are cheap and have no downside

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1929828/posts


28 posted on 01/19/2011 5:53:50 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Qwackertoo

I would rather inject in my arm. I just haven’t figured out how to do that. I do have to take a few deep breaths and try to relax as I inject. It’s a mental thing. I still hate injections.


29 posted on 01/19/2011 6:25:53 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: Qwackertoo
8" of snow....LOL sorry :( we have over 100" of snow. Won't get good sun until april/may. More like may.

I'm fair skinned to burn easy. 10-20 minutes in full sun with as little clothing as possible, everyday. Just don't stay out long enough to tan or burn. Tanning also makes it so it takes longer to get the D you need. If your low talk to your doctor about taking D. It is linked to all types of cancer. I had breast cancer, when they checked my D it was 14, which is really low.

30 posted on 01/19/2011 6:41:38 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Thank you for the info, I just had mine checked and it is 6. Was wondering what baseline is. Dr. gave me 50,000 IU taking one a week for 8 weeks then they are retesting. No wonder I have NO energy at all.


31 posted on 01/19/2011 6:49:39 AM PST by momto6
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To: JoeProBono
The article states that you get B12 from meat, chicken, fish and dairy. That accounts for most of my diet, if you add lettuce, tomatoes potaotes and cereal, that just about wraps it up. I could not possibly be low in B12.
32 posted on 01/19/2011 6:54:55 AM PST by Ditter
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To: momto6
Yep, that's really low. It'll take awhile to get it back up. Vitamin D is actually a hormone and it affects so much in your system.

Go here: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

Sorry, I forget how to do links. Just copy and paste.

33 posted on 01/19/2011 7:01:06 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Ooops that is, your body makes 10,000iu in the sun for 20-30 minutes, not 20,000.


34 posted on 01/19/2011 7:04:56 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: momto6

How do you get it checked? If I ask my family doctor will he be likely to agree or roll his eyes?


35 posted on 01/19/2011 8:41:46 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

Just ask your family Dr. they shouldn’t roll their eyes at all. Both Drs. I asked (I moved) were more than willing to test after I told them how almost lethargic I was.
BTW, if they do roll their eyes it might be time to find another. I have asked some out of the world questions about different things and I have been lucky because they have always been taken seriously.


36 posted on 01/19/2011 8:56:04 AM PST by momto6
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To: momto6

Well, nothing to lose. Ask for levels of Vit D, Vitamin B12 and what else?

I supplement with 20K iu D a day and try to remember to take the sublingual B12 but usually have already brushed my teeth or I forget and start chewing them :-)


37 posted on 01/19/2011 9:04:57 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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There’s a trick to B12 shots. It’s odd, but it works. Thin needles, of course, but there’s more.

Relax your thigh, gently squeeze an area with your hand (thumb and forefinger a few inches or more, apart), and find a “dead” spot - a place where there are no nerves felt at that spot... and gently touching the tip of the needle (very lightly!) randomly around the area you’re squeezing does the trick. When you touch the needle to a “dead” spot, squeeze your hand holding your thigh quite hard and insert the needle. Once you get the hang of doing this, shots are a breeze.

My husband thought I was nuts when he started B12 shots, but has since changed his tune.


38 posted on 01/19/2011 10:36:03 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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“There are other symptoms that I have, too, but I?m afraid I?ve bored you.”

No. Not at all. Fill us in.


39 posted on 01/19/2011 10:59:28 AM PST by goseminoles
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The other symptoms that I had were slurred speech and confused speech. I have an extensive vocabulary but I began having to search for the words to communicate my thoughts. Also, I would forget what I have planned to do just the moment before. Before someone says, “that’s just old age, “ consider this, since many elderly people have a lack of b12, couldn’t their “old age” symptoms be really “lack of b12” symptoms? I was only 54 when this became apparent, not really elderly.

Another symptom was a vague, inconsistent, migrating abdominal pain. Nothing quite specific, sometimes a doc would find an area of infection around a kidney or my appendix and I was even told I have chronic appendicitis.

I was very tired. I would get up in the morning, get dressed, brush teeth and hair (or was that hairy teeth?) and be exhausted. Blood tests confirmed that I was anemic. The nurses suggested I wasn’t getting enough iron, but I was taking iron supplements with ascorbic acid. So, it wasn’t that.

As a guess, because I was in the jungle at the time with no diagnostic capability, I began loading on b12. Within a week’s time, I noticed the fuzzy headache began to diminish. It came back before the next dosage so I increased the dosage to until it totally disappeared. For about two weeks, I was injecting 2 mg. of b12 twice a day. I was able to taper off and steadied for about 6 months at 1mg twice a day and now I use just 1mg 2 - 4 times a week.

Problems I had at the beginning were caused by malaria. About six weeks into the treatment as my newest red blood cells matured, those slimy little parasites munched away on the fresh food. The anemia returned, of course. I continued b12 and treated malaria, too. Two weeks later I had a different type of malaria. But it really put my fresh blood cells into a tail spin. Very anemic, very tired. Treated that, but it basically put me back at the beginning of my b12. Those parasites love the fresh blood the b12 helped create!

One nurse there was very well-trained here in the US and US protocols. She didn’t want to give me the loading doses. So, instead of tracking down someone and talking them into it, which took about 45 minutes, I got on the ‘net, watched some videos and began doing it myself. HA! FWIW, when the nurse found that out, she wasn’t at all happy.

If all goes well, I’ll be heading back to the jungle this summer and I should be able to replenish my supplies then. I’ll be there for a year before I come back to the US. I hoe.


40 posted on 01/19/2011 11:23:56 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: Ditter

You could be low on b12 if for some reason your body is unable to absorb it through your stomach.


41 posted on 01/19/2011 11:26:11 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: JoeProBono

Eat marmite. Problem solved.


42 posted on 01/19/2011 11:27:04 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: JoeProBono
Sluggish? Confused? Vitamin B12 May Be Low

I really, really wish it were that simple.... ;0)

43 posted on 01/19/2011 11:30:20 AM PST by paulycy (Just be truthful and accurate. Let civility take care of itself.)
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To: Sir Gawain

44 posted on 01/19/2011 11:31:03 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: T Minus Four; momto6

I found most in this country roll their eyes.


45 posted on 01/19/2011 11:31:03 AM PST by Jemian (War Eagle! We are the champions!)
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To: paulycy

Yeah, me too.


46 posted on 01/19/2011 11:33:09 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: momto6

That is super low D. I was taking 2000 units a day, in the summer, and my levels were surprisingly low, 24. I upped to 10,000 a day, and after a few months it was only 49. Now I am taking 15,000 a day, hoping to reach the coveted 60 on the blood test. 60 to 80 is optional for preventing illness and disease.

The sun is not so great - I get a little every day in SoCal and it doesn’t “do it” for my D levels.


47 posted on 01/19/2011 11:35:54 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: JoeProBono


48 posted on 01/19/2011 11:40:01 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: JoeProBono
I know Kroger carries it in the international aisle. I also pick up my HP Sauce there.


49 posted on 01/19/2011 11:41:04 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: JoeProBono

50 posted on 01/19/2011 11:45:36 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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