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Old dog, new tricks: Study IDs 9,400-year-old mutt
palmbeachpost ^ | Jan. 19, 2011 | CLARKE CANFIELD

Posted on 01/19/2011 5:59:52 PM PST by JoeProBono

PORTLAND, Maine — Nearly 10,000 years ago, man's best friend provided protection and companionship — and an occasional meal.

That's what researchers are saying after finding a bone fragment from what they are calling the earliest confirmed domesticated dog in the Americas.

University of Maine graduate student Samuel Belknap III came across the fragment while analyzing a dried-out sample of human waste unearthed in southwest Texas in the 1970s. A carbon-dating test put the age of the bone at 9,400 years, and a DNA analysis confirmed it came from a dog — not a wolf, coyote or fox, Belknap said.

Because it was found deep inside a pile of human excrement and was the characteristic orange-brown color that bone turns when it has passed through the digestive tract, the fragment provides the earliest direct evidence that dogs — besides being used for company, security and hunting — were eaten by humans and may even have been bred as a food source, he said


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; clovis; dog; dogs; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; multiregionalism; preclovis; precolumbian
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Researcher Samuel Belknap III


1 posted on 01/19/2011 5:59:54 PM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

So..........Samuel does WHAT for a living???

Oh man. Ick. Gross. Disgusting....


2 posted on 01/19/2011 6:03:20 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: JoeProBono; decimon; SunkenCiv
New-tricks ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

3 posted on 01/19/2011 6:05:46 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: The Comedian

4 posted on 01/19/2011 6:09:43 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: The Comedian; blam; hennie pennie; JoeProBono; decimon; SunkenCiv
OK guys, remember this one. That's evidence that 9,500 years ago DOGS were still game animals. They may have hung around the camp, or the village (in Ukraine and Bulgaria), but that was for their own benefit. When it came time for dinner they were the honored guests.

I wonder if this guy has examined the DNA enough to determine if this was a regular old WOOF WOOF dog or one of those SILENT African dogs ~ or maybe even a DINGO ~ they were certainly already in Australia by the time these guys started the really long treks to Baja!

5 posted on 01/19/2011 6:11:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Brad's Gramma

6 posted on 01/19/2011 6:11:54 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Great picture ~ that is a dog ~ see how happy he is. Now, in the next frame the dog is gone but see how happy the people are.


7 posted on 01/19/2011 6:13:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Maybe the Dingo Ate Your Baby

8 posted on 01/19/2011 6:14:34 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

I am sure that we’ve gotten even with the dingos many times over.


9 posted on 01/19/2011 6:19:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Comedian; JoeProBono

Am I the ONLY one who must discuss.........poop???


10 posted on 01/19/2011 6:22:34 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: JoeProBono
Prehistoric Dachshund ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

11 posted on 01/19/2011 6:22:42 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: muawiyah

12 posted on 01/19/2011 6:23:11 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: The Comedian

LOL!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 01/19/2011 6:23:21 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: Brad's Gramma

14 posted on 01/19/2011 6:25:31 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

From a dog’s point of view it’s only been 1342.8 years.


15 posted on 01/19/2011 6:28:26 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: JoeProBono

So riddle me this...when european discoverers first trampled around north america, for the most part there were no indigenous dogs. And there are certainly none today. Sled dogs in the extreme north, and mexican hairless in central america, and not much to speak of in between.


16 posted on 01/19/2011 6:28:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

The Native American Indian Dog is a very rare, almost extinct breed of dog used by the Native Americans for a variety of purposes including, pulling the travois, hunting, babysitting the very young and elderly and guarding the village.

This breed should not be confused with the American Indian Dog which is a coyote/dingo/Australian Kelpie/Border Collie mix.


17 posted on 01/19/2011 6:37:45 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

I call hoax


18 posted on 01/19/2011 6:41:01 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: muawiyah

http://www.carolinadogs.org/


19 posted on 01/19/2011 6:42:06 PM PST by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: mamelukesabre

20 posted on 01/19/2011 6:48:51 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: mamelukesabre; muawiyah; Uriah_lost
The Dixie Dingo

"The Dixie Dingo"

"The Native American Dog" "The American Dingo" " Southern Aboriginal Dog" "The Indian's Dog"

Still living Wild in the bottom land swamps and forests of the Southeastern United States.

Genetic (mitochondrial DNA) testing being performed at the University of South Carolina, College of Science and Mathematics, indicates that these dogs, related to the earliest domesticated dogs, are the remnant descendants of the feral pariah canids who came across the Bering land mass 8,000 to 11,000 years ago as hunting companions to the ancestors of the Native Americans.

[snip]

21 posted on 01/19/2011 6:51:43 PM PST by blam
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To: Uriah_lost
My father had a dog he kept "down on the farm". He was called "Old Red". He wasn't a mean dog but when I was a little guy he'd always kind of bully me just to let me know he was jealous of my father's attention.

He didn't bully other people.

He was tall enough to stand up under a wagon and scrape his back on the bottom.

This dog was pretty typical of all the wild dogs in Southern Indiana. They are happier if they can come and go from an area where people live ~ that's the old lurk around the village thing.

I've noticed over the years that these dogs are disappearing in that area, but African "silent" dogs are come in ~ people like the behavior apparently but don't care for the noises.

The African dogs are sneaky to my way of thinking and eventually they're going to run up a high biting tally and get themselves suppressed.

22 posted on 01/19/2011 6:54:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre; JoeProBono
There are native dogs all over the place ~ most of them have a red or yellow coat. Many people own them and imagine they're just a mix of old world breeds ~ BUT THEY'RE NOT!

And people should be more careful with those dogs and just leave them out in the country where they can roam around.

Europeans did meat up with (and meet) native dogs. The Iroquois kept them near their villages OUTSIDE the palisades, and in early Fall they'd turn the deer loose in the corn for a couple of weeks to clear the fields and get fat. Then they'd herd the deer together and allow the dogs in to kill and eat them.

In the winter the Iroquois would dine on fresh dog meat all winter long.

To them the dog was a more convenient way of storing meat ~ and deer, with the dog, played the part of the white man's hogs that came in later.

Since wild dogs were essentially "game" and the young ones had a disconcerting habit of jumping up in your arms wagging their tails, I suspect the native dog populations didn't exactly prosper.

BUt, as I noted above, my father owned one. I know cousins who keep them around (out in the country), and as far as I know no one has ever gone for an AKC certification for any of them. But you'll know one when you see him.

23 posted on 01/19/2011 7:03:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

24 posted on 01/19/2011 7:08:50 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: blam

25 posted on 01/19/2011 7:11:46 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Titan Magroyne; Badeye; apackof2; Shannon; SandRat; arbooz; potlatch; metmom; ...
WOOOF!

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26 posted on 01/19/2011 7:14:59 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s one kind. There’s another that’s real popular that’s shorter and has a solid coat. It just kind of runs around hissing or coughing.


27 posted on 01/19/2011 7:16:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Comedian

lulz


28 posted on 01/19/2011 7:16:53 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: muawiyah

29 posted on 01/19/2011 7:25:42 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Am I the ONLY one who must discuss.........poop???

Yes.

Yes you are.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

30 posted on 01/19/2011 7:39:01 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: muawiyah

If that’s the way it went with indian dogs, you can bet you a$$ those dogs weren’t much good for anything. Their breeding wasn’t selected for any useful skill and likely there wasn’t any selective breeding at all. Probably about like trying to train a husky to fetch, only worse. No wonder the european breeds displaced them.


31 posted on 01/19/2011 7:52:56 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: martin_fierro
That's the highest accolade I've ever received from you.

I'll have to study that gag and try to understand why it was so exceptionally amusing.

Charts, graphs, and spreadsheets to follow...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

32 posted on 01/19/2011 7:56:29 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Well, it wasn’t like...... poop...poop! It was over 9000 years old after all.


33 posted on 01/19/2011 8:03:57 PM PST by Ditter
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To: The Comedian
An essay on Teh Lulz

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34 posted on 01/19/2011 8:04:52 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mamelukesabre
Friend of mine had been the General Counsel for the Territory of Alaska. He had a big ol' Huskey. Thing was smart. Really, really nice dog, but big.

Naw, they don't fetch do they! But they can beg for giant pretzles.

The Indian dogs like those Carolina wild dogs pretty much live in wetlands or swamps. Best thing they can do is hang around your house and watch your stuff at night. Not a house dog!

35 posted on 01/19/2011 8:07:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: JoeProBono

It's a dog's life. That dog looks SO unhappy.

At least my dog looks more cheerful, but she had a light load (it was a costume contest. She won.)

36 posted on 01/19/2011 8:09:22 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: JoeProBono

If I was to see this dog, I would think wolf hybrid (maybe wolf x GSD). He is beautiful in a very “wild” sort of way.


37 posted on 01/19/2011 8:15:20 PM PST by momtothree
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To: The Comedian

It’s the weener dogs.


38 posted on 01/19/2011 8:18:26 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: martin_fierro


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

39 posted on 01/19/2011 8:20:43 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: mamelukesabre
It’s the weener dogs.

Isn't it always.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

40 posted on 01/19/2011 8:27:20 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: The Comedian

Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?


41 posted on 01/19/2011 8:42:14 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: The Comedian

Smart aleck. That’s the first (icky) thing that jumped out at me, when I read that article.

;)


42 posted on 01/19/2011 9:44:00 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: JoeProBono

Uuuuunnnnnnnngggggghhhhh!!!

I’m gonna ping you to something. I’ll ping funny guy too in case you two have friends in The OC.

:)


43 posted on 01/19/2011 9:51:36 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: Ditter
It was over 9000 years old after all.

No. No. Don't say it, BG...just sorta leave it alone now. :)

44 posted on 01/19/2011 9:56:59 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: muawiyah

.....OK guys, remember this one. That’s evidence that 9,500 years ago DOGS were still game animals. They may have hung around the camp, or the village (in Ukraine and Bulgaria), but that was for their own benefit. When it came time for dinner they were the honored guests......

Hmm I wonder if they check the DNA of the dogs owner, Chinese or Korean maybe? I take it as evidence of little value. How many sled dogs became meals?


45 posted on 01/19/2011 9:58:51 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: JoeProBono
Study IDs 9,400-year-old mutt
46 posted on 01/19/2011 11:29:36 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: Rebelbase

LOL, best post of the day.


47 posted on 01/20/2011 4:23:30 AM PST by Mercat ( I remained nestled in cognitive dissonance)
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To: Mercat

I think I got it backwards, from a dog’s perspective it’s been 65,800 years.


48 posted on 01/20/2011 6:15:43 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Even better.


49 posted on 01/20/2011 7:05:47 AM PST by Mercat ( I remained nestled in cognitive dissonance)
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To: JoeProBono

I believe the Polynesians in Hawaii bred a dog called the ‘Poi Dog”. Like Flounder in “Animal House”, they were fat, happy and stupid. They were also a main feature on the menu.


50 posted on 01/20/2011 7:13:22 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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