Hawaii Law: Child born prior 1967 must have Christian name

Google Scholar ^ | February 21, 1979. | Chief Judge Samuel P. King

[bushpilot1]

United States District Court, D. Hawaii.

February 21, 1979.

THE HAWAII LAW ON NAMES

The basic statute in Hawaii on names was adopted in 1860.

Until 1967, it was required that all children born in wedlock shall have their father's name as a "family name" and ". . . a Christian name suitable to their sex."

[Hotlanta Mike]

Good, then the COLB he (and Gibbs and Axelrod) circulated prior to the election with Obama on it was a fraud. Can we arrest him now?

[Graybeard58]

If you think it did, find it.

I didn't say or even imply that it did. If you think I did, find it.

[Hotlanta Mike]

[Moreover, since Soetero-Dunham was never naturalized, he still isn't a U. S. citizen, and he therefore has committed multiple federal felonies not only by registering to vote but also by actually voting in who-knows-how-many U. S. federal elections.]

[Graybeard58]

You said: Barak is a Hebrew name. It means lightning.

I said: So is Abraham as in Abraham Lincoln but I believe he was actually born in the U.S. (Kentucky).

Neither you nor I mentioned the letter "c".

[Graybeard58]

We are not in disagreement.

[Grut]

Wow. I didn’t realise so many Freepers were ignorant of basic English usage. Embarrassing.

[Hawthorn]

>> Barak is a Hebrew name. It means lightning. <<

>> So is Abraham as in Abraham Lincoln <<

Please correct me if I’m wrong, especially since I don’t know either the Hebrew alphabet or the Arabian alphabet, but it’s my understanding that neither Hebrew nor Arab writing uses vowels.

Therefore, is it not the case that POTUS Lincoln’s “Christian” name would be something like “Brhm” in Hebrew and Arabic? And Totus Øbama’s “Christian” name would be spelled something like “Brk” or “Brq” in both of these Semitic languages?

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

Road Apple;
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[Graybeard58]

I can’t answer your question as I don’t speak or understand that language either, I’m only going by K.J.V. Bible.

[Madame Dufarge]

I believe you’re correct, that was the sense in which it was used.

[freebird5850]

This just keeps getting messier and messier for Barry. Kinda like when Pelosi was covering up her knowledge of prisoners getting interrogated. He’s gonna slip up once that he’ll never be able to cover up. God save our nation.

[Hawthorn]

>> that was the sense in which it was used <<

Yep, it does seem that "Christian" names at common law not only could be Jewish (specifically, Old Testament names nowhere to be found in the New Testament), but even could be pagan-rooted -- with Germanic, Celtic and Macedonian origins (Robert, Bruce, William, Trevor, Alexander and so on).

Therefore, one surmises that Barak/Barack/Baraq/Barry probably would have held up under a pre-1967 Hawaiian court challenge -- whereas "Muhammed" and "Ali" and "Hussein" might have flunked!

On the other hand, if Algore should chime in about the matter, he might tell us that, "There's no controlling legal authority."

[bluecat6]

What is the source of the two parent rule?

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Good background.

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

“Extending citizenship to non-citizens through birth based solely upon locality is nothing more than mere municipal law that has no extra-territorial effect as proven from the English practice of it. On the other hand, citizenship by descent through the father is natural law and is recognized by all nations (what nation doesn’t recognize citizenship of children born to their own citizens?). Thus, a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.”

Many argue what the ‘definition’ of natural born Citizen.

But the meaning is clear.

Citizen is a defined term in the Constitution. It needs no additional defining.

So what of ‘natural born’?

Other terms for natural include inherent, not acquired; normal course. The key definition of born here is ‘from birth’. So an natural born Citizen is a current Citizen, who has always been a Citizen who received their citizenship through normal, recognizable by all nations, at birth.

As the article points out nations all recognize citizenship through decent. It is NATURALLY passed down from parent to child. To be normal and unambiguous a ‘dual citizen’ obviously could not be considered a ‘natural born Citizen’.

The intent of this specifying this specific form of citizenship was clear. To avoid a possibility foreign usurpation.

So you have to be an unambiguous, natural occurring, sole citizen, FROM birth (not just AT birth).

Obama has multiple potential problems here.

- Kenyan/British Father, establishing Kenyan/British citizenship until age 23 for him.
- Indonesian step-father and possible (probable?) Indonesian citizenship.
- Use of either citizenship in an official capacity (passport/college) after age 18.

[GraceG]

[In 1860 Kamehameha IV signed...... ]

Kame-Hame-HA!!!

I wouldn't want to disagree with him....

[MestaMachine]

Hebrew uses vowels. They are a series of dots, dashes, and dipthongs, some under, some over, and some beside a letter to change the sound, accent a letter, or break a word. Most people do not realize it, but we also have a writing alphabet that is completely different than the caligraphy used to write Holy Text.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Languages/Hebrew/Letters_and_Vocabulary/Vowels.shtml

Arabic has the same, though their usage is very different.

http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/hist455/vowels/vowels_pres.htm

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

*LOL* Shaneequa will not do!

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

I read from the Torah during my Bat Mitzvah.I hope I can do it again.It was amazing.

[jamese777]

Barack Obama’s first name is the anglicized version of Baraka, which means ‘blessing’ in Kiswahili (aka Swahili), a language spoken by Senator Obama’s Kenyan father.

The word “Barack” is shared among several languages. First, it is a word in the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages) Semitic family of languages. As such it mistakenly has been thought to have the root in Hebrew written as baruch, but since the word Barak in Hebrew exists independently, pronounced as Barak with no twisting of sounds, it is the true word from which any meaning should be taken. A version in Aramaic (berek), a version in Arabic (baraka). (See Strong’s Hebrew Bible Dictionary, entries 1288-1294.) It also occurs as a loan word in non-Semitic languages that have been influenced by these Semitic languages, such as Kiswahili (the most widely spoken African language). As often happens, cognate words are similar in pronunciation. What appears in a later-appearing language may sound like something else in the earlier language. And in English we sometimes see words that are pronounced the same and even spelled the same, but that have very different meanings.

Baraka means ‘blessing’ in Kiswahili and comes from the Arabic spoken by the Omani Arabs that lived and traded along the coast of East Africa. Though it came to Kiswahili from Arabic it no longer has any sectarian connotations and is in common use amongst East Africans of all faiths. It is a common name for boys in Kenya and Tanzania.

Barack or Barak means ‘lightning’ in Hebrew. The name Barak is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Judges. Barak was part of the story of the prophetess Deborah.

Baruch (or Baruwk, Baruk, Strong, 1263) and its cognates berek and baraka all mean the same. Strong, 1288, says “barak, baw-rak’, a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit).” (See http://www.virtualchristiancenter.com/biblestudytools/kjvstrongs/STRHEB12.htm)

Regardless of how one spells the name, it gives two possible and not contradictory meanings, and one true meaning. One is “a blessing from God,” and another is “a blessing from God that the individual may pass on to others as a benefit to them.” and the true meaning that cannot be translated any other way is the name Barak which means Lightning.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_name_Barack#ixzz1BhMYhRxo

[bushpilot1]

Barack Huessin Obama is a Christian name...yeah right.

[jamese777]

Barack Huessin Obama is a Christian name...yeah right.

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Let’s immediately initiate a lawsuit against his parents for violating the law, but I think that the state was supposed to notify the parents that the name was unacceptable.

Did Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Shintoists in Hawaii have to have Christian names before 1974 too?