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Hawaii Law: Child born prior 1967 must have Christian name
Google Scholar ^ | February 21, 1979. | Chief Judge Samuel P. King

Posted on 01/21/2011 3:25:29 AM PST by bushpilot1

United States District Court, D. Hawaii.

February 21, 1979.

THE HAWAII LAW ON NAMES

The basic statute in Hawaii on names was adopted in 1860.

Until 1967, it was required that all children born in wedlock shall have their father's name as a "family name" and ". . . a Christian name suitable to their sex."

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To: DUMBGRUNT
"What is the source of the two parent rule?"

Are you familiar with Vattel?

51 posted on 01/21/2011 6:07:13 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: billorites

LOL!!!!!!


52 posted on 01/21/2011 6:12:20 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: MestaMachine

“Barak is a Hebrew name. It means lightning.”

Actually, it’s a Kenyan name meaning “Steaming Road Apple.”


53 posted on 01/21/2011 6:20:41 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
>> What is the source of the two parent rule? <<

It was the law of Switzerland during the 1700's. And some of the Founding Fathers -- a/k/a "the guys who wrote the U. S. Constition" -- could read French and were great fans of Swiss law.

Ergo, it's axiomatic that the U. S. Supreme Court will some day rule Steve "Barry" Dunham was not born as a U. S. natural citizen.

(Want additional info? Just do a Google search for Vattel and "natural born citizen.")

Moreover, since Soetero-Dunham was never naturalized, he still isn't a U. S. citizen, and he therefore has committed multiple federal felonies not only by registering to vote but also by actually voting in who-knows-how-many U. S. federal elections.

54 posted on 01/21/2011 6:22:23 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: bushpilot1

Well, it IS an old testament name...

Judges 4
8 Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”

9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh. 10 There Barak summoned Zebulun and Naphtali, and ten thousand men went up under his command. Deborah also went up with him.


55 posted on 01/21/2011 6:25:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: bushpilot1

Fits perfectly... the bastard is not a Christian.

LLS


56 posted on 01/21/2011 6:27:29 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: bushpilot1

Matthew, Mark, Luke, Barry?


57 posted on 01/21/2011 6:30:06 AM PST by Scythian
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To: bushpilot1

Oh wait, Barrabas? The murderer they set free instead of Jesus ...

Barry = short for Barrabas ?


58 posted on 01/21/2011 6:31:29 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I think Barak is old Arabic meaning “ The blessed one” and Barack is Hebrew for lightning or am I wrong.


59 posted on 01/21/2011 6:32:10 AM PST by jetson
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To: aruanan
Since the Governor vowed to put an end to the BC speculation when elected... and then has had to admit that the State cannot find it... there is no name listed because there probably is no certificate.

LLS

60 posted on 01/21/2011 6:34:43 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: aruanan

Good, then the COLB he (and Gibbs and Axelrod) circulated prior to the election with Obama on it was a fraud. Can we arrest him now?


61 posted on 01/21/2011 6:37:10 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: MestaMachine
If you think it did, find it.

I didn't say or even imply that it did. If you think I did, find it.

62 posted on 01/21/2011 6:38:08 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: Hawthorn
[Moreover, since Soetero-Dunham was never naturalized, he still isn't a U. S. citizen, and he therefore has committed multiple federal felonies not only by registering to vote but also by actually voting in who-knows-how-many U. S. federal elections.]
63 posted on 01/21/2011 6:41:03 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: MestaMachine
You said: Barak is a Hebrew name. It means lightning.

I said: So is Abraham as in Abraham Lincoln but I believe he was actually born in the U.S. (Kentucky).

Neither you nor I mentioned the letter "c".

64 posted on 01/21/2011 6:41:07 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: MestaMachine

We are not in disagreement.


65 posted on 01/21/2011 6:47:13 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: bushpilot1

Wow. I didn’t realise so many Freepers were ignorant of basic English usage. Embarrassing.


66 posted on 01/21/2011 6:51:03 AM PST by Grut
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To: Graybeard58; MestaMachine

>> Barak is a Hebrew name. It means lightning. <<

>> So is Abraham as in Abraham Lincoln <<

Please correct me if I’m wrong, especially since I don’t know either the Hebrew alphabet or the Arabian alphabet, but it’s my understanding that neither Hebrew nor Arab writing uses vowels.

Therefore, is it not the case that POTUS Lincoln’s “Christian” name would be something like “Brhm” in Hebrew and Arabic? And Totus Øbama’s “Christian” name would be spelled something like “Brk” or “Brq” in both of these Semitic languages?


67 posted on 01/21/2011 6:54:31 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: jetson

Road Apple;
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=road%20apple


68 posted on 01/21/2011 6:56:56 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Hawthorn

I can’t answer your question as I don’t speak or understand that language either, I’m only going by K.J.V. Bible.


69 posted on 01/21/2011 6:57:21 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: Jim Noble

I believe you’re correct, that was the sense in which it was used.


70 posted on 01/21/2011 7:11:57 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: bushpilot1

This just keeps getting messier and messier for Barry. Kinda like when Pelosi was covering up her knowledge of prisoners getting interrogated. He’s gonna slip up once that he’ll never be able to cover up. God save our nation.


71 posted on 01/21/2011 7:44:13 AM PST by freebird5850 (Nobody makes being dead more fun than Barack 0bama!)
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To: Madame Dufarge; Jim Noble
>> that was the sense in which it was used <<

Yep, it does seem that "Christian" names at common law not only could be Jewish (specifically, Old Testament names nowhere to be found in the New Testament), but even could be pagan-rooted -- with Germanic, Celtic and Macedonian origins (Robert, Bruce, William, Trevor, Alexander and so on).

Therefore, one surmises that Barak/Barack/Baraq/Barry probably would have held up under a pre-1967 Hawaiian court challenge -- whereas "Muhammed" and "Ali" and "Hussein" might have flunked!

On the other hand, if Algore should chime in about the matter, he might tell us that, "There's no controlling legal authority."

72 posted on 01/21/2011 8:19:43 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What is the source of the two parent rule?

____________________________________________________________________

Good background.

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

“Extending citizenship to non-citizens through birth based solely upon locality is nothing more than mere municipal law that has no extra-territorial effect as proven from the English practice of it. On the other hand, citizenship by descent through the father is natural law and is recognized by all nations (what nation doesn’t recognize citizenship of children born to their own citizens?). Thus, a natural-born citizen is one whose citizenship is recognized by law of nations rather than mere local recognition.”

Many argue what the ‘definition’ of natural born Citizen.

But the meaning is clear.

Citizen is a defined term in the Constitution. It needs no additional defining.

So what of ‘natural born’?

Other terms for natural include inherent, not acquired; normal course. The key definition of born here is ‘from birth’. So an natural born Citizen is a current Citizen, who has always been a Citizen who received their citizenship through normal, recognizable by all nations, at birth.

As the article points out nations all recognize citizenship through decent. It is NATURALLY passed down from parent to child. To be normal and unambiguous a ‘dual citizen’ obviously could not be considered a ‘natural born Citizen’.

The intent of this specifying this specific form of citizenship was clear. To avoid a possibility foreign usurpation.

So you have to be an unambiguous, natural occurring, sole citizen, FROM birth (not just AT birth).

Obama has multiple potential problems here.

- Kenyan/British Father, establishing Kenyan/British citizenship until age 23 for him.
- Indonesian step-father and possible (probable?) Indonesian citizenship.
- Use of either citizenship in an official capacity (passport/college) after age 18.


73 posted on 01/21/2011 8:27:24 AM PST by bluecat6
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To: bushpilot1
[In 1860 Kamehameha IV signed...... ]

Kame-Hame-HA!!!

kamehameha

I wouldn't want to disagree with him....

74 posted on 01/21/2011 8:32:04 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Hawthorn

Hebrew uses vowels. They are a series of dots, dashes, and dipthongs, some under, some over, and some beside a letter to change the sound, accent a letter, or break a word. Most people do not realize it, but we also have a writing alphabet that is completely different than the caligraphy used to write Holy Text.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Languages/Hebrew/Letters_and_Vocabulary/Vowels.shtml

Arabic has the same, though their usage is very different.

http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/hist455/vowels/vowels_pres.htm


75 posted on 01/21/2011 8:48:18 AM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: ClearCase_guy

*LOL* Shaneequa will not do!


76 posted on 01/21/2011 9:23:53 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: MestaMachine

I read from the Torah during my Bat Mitzvah.I hope I can do it again.It was amazing.


77 posted on 01/21/2011 9:27:20 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: All

Barack Obama’s first name is the anglicized version of Baraka, which means ‘blessing’ in Kiswahili (aka Swahili), a language spoken by Senator Obama’s Kenyan father.

The word “Barack” is shared among several languages. First, it is a word in the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages) Semitic family of languages. As such it mistakenly has been thought to have the root in Hebrew written as baruch, but since the word Barak in Hebrew exists independently, pronounced as Barak with no twisting of sounds, it is the true word from which any meaning should be taken. A version in Aramaic (berek), a version in Arabic (baraka). (See Strong’s Hebrew Bible Dictionary, entries 1288-1294.) It also occurs as a loan word in non-Semitic languages that have been influenced by these Semitic languages, such as Kiswahili (the most widely spoken African language). As often happens, cognate words are similar in pronunciation. What appears in a later-appearing language may sound like something else in the earlier language. And in English we sometimes see words that are pronounced the same and even spelled the same, but that have very different meanings.

Baraka means ‘blessing’ in Kiswahili and comes from the Arabic spoken by the Omani Arabs that lived and traded along the coast of East Africa. Though it came to Kiswahili from Arabic it no longer has any sectarian connotations and is in common use amongst East Africans of all faiths. It is a common name for boys in Kenya and Tanzania.

Barack or Barak means ‘lightning’ in Hebrew. The name Barak is also mentioned in the Bible in the book of Judges. Barak was part of the story of the prophetess Deborah.

Baruch (or Baruwk, Baruk, Strong, 1263) and its cognates berek and baraka all mean the same. Strong, 1288, says “barak, baw-rak’, a primitive root; to kneel; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit).” (See http://www.virtualchristiancenter.com/biblestudytools/kjvstrongs/STRHEB12.htm)

Regardless of how one spells the name, it gives two possible and not contradictory meanings, and one true meaning. One is “a blessing from God,” and another is “a blessing from God that the individual may pass on to others as a benefit to them.” and the true meaning that cannot be translated any other way is the name Barak which means Lightning.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_name_Barack#ixzz1BhMYhRxo


78 posted on 01/21/2011 11:12:35 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Barack Huessin Obama is a Christian name...yeah right.


79 posted on 01/21/2011 12:31:43 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Barack Huessin Obama is a Christian name...yeah right.


Let’s immediately initiate a lawsuit against his parents for violating the law, but I think that the state was supposed to notify the parents that the name was unacceptable.

Did Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Shintoists in Hawaii have to have Christian names before 1974 too?


80 posted on 01/21/2011 1:33:13 PM PST by jamese777
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To: bushpilot1

Seems to me that someone posted a birth certificate from someone born in HI in either 1961 or right around then, Japanese ethnicity, and the person had a regular “Christian” ie English first name and a Japanese middle name.

Christian name traditionally means either “Christian” or just “given name” and IMO the Hawaiian law was to get the citizens of HI to use English first names and have their Hawaiian (or Japanese or whatever) given names be their middle names. It would be an interesting research project to find out if this was the case. Some of those Hawaiian names are very long with many vowels and unless a person is familiar with Hawaiian names, they can be extremely confusing and hard to pronounce or spell.


81 posted on 01/21/2011 1:55:11 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: jamese777

“but I think that the state was supposed to notify the parents that the name was unacceptable.”

The alleged parents were not notified because Barack Huessin Obama was not the name given to the Vital Stats office.

Clearly it is not a Christian or English speaking name.


82 posted on 01/21/2011 2:18:04 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777

Here is fairly comprehensive list of first (Christian) names used in the English-speaking world (Great Britain, the United States, Ireland; Australia etc.). It also includes an indication of the traditional meaning of these names. It should of some use to anyone thinking about choosing a name for a baby or interested in finding:

An excerpt: Barack is not listed.

http://www.world-english.org/boys_names_list.htm

Atwood Forest Dweller
Aubrey Ruler of the Elves
Austin Helpful
Avery Elfin Ruler
Axel Man of Peace
Baird Bard or Minstrel
Baldwin Princely Friend
Barclay Meadow of Birch Trees
Barnaby Prophet
Baron Nobleman
Barrett Bear-Like
Barry Marksman
Bartholomew Warlike


83 posted on 01/21/2011 2:27:31 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

The alleged parents were not notified because Barack Huessin Obama was not the name given to the Vital Stats office.

Clearly it is not a Christian or English speaking name.


Except the state of Hawaii said during the administration of former Governor Lingle that they have an index file birth record for a male child named Barack Hussein Obama.

“Index data referred to in HRS §338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu. The public will be asked to provide identification and sign in to inspect the names and sex of all births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the state. Data are maintained in bound copies by type of event with names listed alphabetically by last name.

The index data regarding President Obama is:
Birth Index
Obama II, Barack Hussein
Male”

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html


84 posted on 01/21/2011 2:37:38 PM PST by jamese777
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To: bushpilot1
0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?
This supposed revelation of 0's SS records has been debunked here and here.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Obama 1964 Divorce Papers - 13 Pages - Missing Pg 11
24 Why isn't Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why isn't Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

85 posted on 01/21/2011 2:45:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: jamese777

The basic statute in Hawaii on names was adopted in 1860.

Section 6. It shall not be lawful to change any name adopted or conferred under this law.


86 posted on 01/21/2011 2:47:19 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

The basic statute in Hawaii on names was adopted in 1860.

Section 6. It shall not be lawful to change any name adopted or conferred under this law.


That’s nice.


87 posted on 01/21/2011 2:53:32 PM PST by jamese777
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To: bluecat6
Obama has multiple potential problems here.

No disagreement there. While it may been possible for the mother to have flown to Africa, it is not probable. Birth name, father...with just a bit more help from the Governor... we shall see.

It is getting hard to find an old Underwood or IBM Selectric, so it may take a while. /s

88 posted on 01/21/2011 4:11:36 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Jim Noble
"Christian name" is an old expression meaning "First name" or "given name".
It was in common use in England as late as the 1970s, I don't know about now.
I'm sure that's the sense in which the law was using it.

Agreed.

89 posted on 01/21/2011 4:16:02 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: jamese777
The alleged mother believes her sons name is Barry. Photobucket
90 posted on 01/21/2011 4:28:50 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

It looks to me as if this law is trying to regularize the naming of children around some standard. In Hawaii, I believe it was common for children to be given just one name. Like Kamahemaha. What they wanted was to include a “family” name to show descendancy. Probably for recordkeeping purposes it was confusing when some people didn’t have both a “first” and “last” name.

My .02


91 posted on 01/21/2011 4:29:56 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bushpilot1

The alleged mother believes her sons name is Barry.


Yeah, kids often get nicknames, especially when their real name is weird, exotic or unique.
I wonder what Moon Unit and Dweizel Zappa are calling themselves now that they’re in their 40s!


92 posted on 01/21/2011 5:44:00 PM PST by jamese777
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To: bushpilot1; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono
Boy (can you say "boy" anymore?) wuz named after Christian saint Saint Barry. Everybody knows that!


93 posted on 01/21/2011 5:48:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: bushpilot1
The name Barack was against the law in 1961.

Even if the law was still on the books in 1961, which you haven't proven, (find an official code book from the era that shows this, not a wikipedia entry), such a law would not have been enforceable under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment after the Pierce/Meyer line of cases and their progeny. Attempting to assert anything to the contrary is absolutely laughable.

Are you really suggesting that the government actually had the power to prohibit you naming your child whatever you wanted in Hawaii? Really?

94 posted on 01/21/2011 10:53:03 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: bushpilot1

Jech v. Burch. 466 F. Supp. 714 - US: Dist. Court, D. Hawaii 1979.

“There is no known case in which the requirements of “a Christian name” that was “suitable to their sex” were ever enforced. One wonders whether Grand Constable Anne de Montmorency, first owner of the Chateau de Chantilly, could have been so named had he been born in Hawaii between 1860 and 1967.”

“Plaintiffs have a Constitutionally protected right to give their own child any surname they choose. The refusal of the registrar of births to accept the surname “Jebef” as the child’s surname is a deprivation under color of state law of a right secured by the Constitution of the United States.”


95 posted on 01/21/2011 11:00:25 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: TigersEye
BTTT

96 posted on 01/22/2011 6:33:34 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Daniel Ken Inouye


97 posted on 01/23/2011 2:55:18 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: freedomwarrior998

The law was repealed in 1967. According to SSA stats from 1960 to 1973 the names were traditional Christian

In 1974 the name Keola appears.

Seems the intent of the Christian missionaries was successful.

Christopher was a very popular name in Hawaii.

http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/namesbystate.cgi


98 posted on 01/23/2011 4:11:01 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

You are wrong, as the Court indicated. “Christian name” doesn’t mean what you think it does, and there is no record of the law being enforced in the manner that you suggest.

The SSA search that you are using only lists “popular” baby names. These names will be similar in every State.


99 posted on 01/23/2011 10:45:35 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: bushpilot1
Until 1967, it was required that all children born in wedlock shall have their father's name as a "family name"

Who's the baby daddy? Frank Marshall Davis?

Also he was conceived out of wedlock...

100 posted on 01/24/2011 3:34:52 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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