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Bastardi: "A La Nina That Is King?... More Cold to Follow!"
AccuWeather.com ^ | 20 January, 2010 | Joe Bastardi

Posted on 01/21/2011 6:52:40 PM PST by Errant

Video: There are some nasty short- and long-term implications in control of the weather and climate. You and I have nothing to do with it, nor can we control it.


TOPICS: Outdoors; Science; Travel; Weather
KEYWORDS: cold; globalcooling; globalwarming; iceage; weather
From www.iceage.com:

21 Jan 11 - Senior meteorologist Joe Bastardi of accuweather.com put out a great video yesterday explaining why this winter is so much colder than expected. Also, he thinks there may be many more cold winters on the way.

"Global temp falling even faster than I thought," says Bastardi. "There are some nasty short- and long-term implications in control of the weather and climate. You and I have nothing to do with it, nor can we control it."

"This something we have not seen before," Bastardi adds. NASA keeps lowering their sunspot numbers. Sunspots are now near where they were in the early 1800s during the Maunder Minimum.

I'm not saying we're headed into a little ice age, says Bastardi, but "this is alarming."

I firmly believe the long-term climate is going to be colder over the next 30 years, Bastardi warns. This La Nina will return next winter because of the cold PDO. If we're starting out as cold as it is right now, and with a double La Nina, "it's going to be cold all over."

"If this trend continues ... we'd better sit up and take notice!"

1 posted on 01/21/2011 6:52:44 PM PST by Errant
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2 posted on 01/21/2011 6:54:35 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Joe Bastardi, the Glenn Beck of weather. LOL


3 posted on 01/21/2011 6:55:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Errant

Another reason to get our act together on energy policy that is abundant, and inexpensive.

Screw the environmentalists.


4 posted on 01/21/2011 6:57:00 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Now ain’t the time fer windmills.


5 posted on 01/21/2011 6:59:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

LOL, I really like them both and anyone else devoted to truth in discovery of any subject matter.


6 posted on 01/21/2011 7:03:41 PM PST by Errant
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To: rockinqsranch
Another reason to get our act together

You've got that right! We're facing a perfect storm on many fronts including global weather but not from Man's interference (at least as of this post).

7 posted on 01/21/2011 7:05:34 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

We use energy in the summer and the winter for comfort. In the summer, we turn on our air conditioners.

If it gets colder, we’ll use less air conditioning in the summer, thus saving energy.

Plus, God’s in control, so only non-believers should be fretting.


8 posted on 01/21/2011 7:06:34 PM PST by lurk
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To: Errant

Joe is one of the honest ones ... he just tells it like it is, not like Al Goreghoul wants it to be.


9 posted on 01/21/2011 7:09:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: cripplecreek

Great analogy!


10 posted on 01/21/2011 7:10:14 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Errant
Who are you gonna believe? Some dunce like Joe, or this cute fuzzy animal sitting on what is left of the North Pole?


11 posted on 01/21/2011 7:13:49 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: lurk
If it gets colder, we’ll use less air conditioning in the summer, thus saving energy.

It might be a "wash" in some parts of the world but I don't see a big energy savings for mid latitudes or polar regions.

Worse, disruption of food production might further exacerbate rising food costs and even create severe shortages.

12 posted on 01/21/2011 7:14:22 PM PST by Errant
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Can I get TWO guesses?? :)


13 posted on 01/21/2011 7:19:57 PM PST by Errant
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To: MHGinTN

Agree


14 posted on 01/21/2011 7:20:43 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

La Nina has finally kicked in here in So Cal looks like a dry January and February.


15 posted on 01/21/2011 7:22:19 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: Errant
Paging idiot Al Gore and Global Warming Alarmists... pick up the white courtesy phone...
16 posted on 01/21/2011 7:25:34 PM PST by GOPJ (How Liberal Journalists Think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF3hbPtCttc)
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To: Errant

When one considers that America is a food basket for world consumption, more in some places less in others, it has profound implications that the Northern Hemisphere is cooling. As the winters become longer, food production cycles must adjust, and if the folks planning the planting are still mired int he lies of the democrap party and al goreghoul, they will not only lose their shirts business wise, their faultering food production will be responsible for the deaths of millions! But of course, that reduction in population is but one of the legs of the progressives’ stool for a better world.


17 posted on 01/21/2011 7:27:53 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
I'm afraid you're exactly right on all counts. We'd better use our best science and some common sense in adjusting our plantings as you say. I trust our farmers to make the best of it if left alone and provided with accurate climate forecasts.
18 posted on 01/21/2011 7:37:15 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

>>Sunspots are now near where they were in the early 1800s during the Maunder Minimum.<<

Who was counting sunspots in the early 1800s during the Maunder Minimum?


19 posted on 01/21/2011 7:46:17 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

A branch of The Royal Society?


20 posted on 01/21/2011 7:47:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Errant

SHTF Ping


21 posted on 01/21/2011 7:48:49 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: B4Ranch
Who was counting sunspots in the early 1800s during the Maunder Minimum?

He's much older that he looks! :)

The first written record of sunspots was made by Chinese astronomers around 800 B.C. - History of Sunspot Observations

22 posted on 01/21/2011 8:00:53 PM PST by Errant
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To: rockinqsranch
"Another reason to get our act together on energy policy that is abundant, and inexpensive."

Nukes. And, we need 100 of them. We need to open every hydrocarbon filed in our territory in the man time. I prefer we go with the land-based oil and gas first. And I would support a $25/bbl tariff on every barrel of imported oil to ensure incentive for the drillers.

But long term it's gotta be nukes.

23 posted on 01/21/2011 8:18:50 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Errant

What’s truly sick, is that the Algor globull warmist cult is now saying that even if it gets really cold, its obviously because of human generated Co2. By their own rules, now, they can’t be wrong, no matter what the outcome. When do the libs finally see a buck naked emperor?


24 posted on 01/21/2011 8:24:44 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Errant

I explained last April about these minimums to my visiting sisters. I told them Congress will try to pass climate change BS before next winter. “They know what’s coming and that will kill their agenda”, they had never heard of it.

Well, here we are. Watch for a significant event Tuesday as this pattern holds.


25 posted on 01/21/2011 8:27:46 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Errant

I would think anyone who spends their days looking at the Sun would be seeing dots with their eyes closed. ~)


26 posted on 01/21/2011 8:29:34 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

The Observatory in Greenwich, England, has been counting sunspots since sometime in the 1500s, I believe.


27 posted on 01/21/2011 8:46:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: B4Ranch
Yes, you're right. This caused the Chinese to then invent the abacus and glasses. :)


28 posted on 01/21/2011 8:46:41 PM PST by Errant
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To: ChildOfThe60s

LOLOL!


29 posted on 01/21/2011 8:49:02 PM PST by Salamander (Can't sleep....the clowns will eat me.)
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To: B4Ranch

I believe you mean the Dalton Minimum in the 1800s. John Dalton was looking at the sunspots I believe. Maunder Minimum was a hundred or so years earlier.


30 posted on 01/21/2011 8:57:16 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Errant; MHGinTN

Farmers plant according to soil temperature and moisture. They will harvest all night if they have to if the weather report is unfavorable (ie: too wet).

There have been tremendous development of *early* varieties of many vegetables over many years. I am in a microclimate, for example, the puts my land into a different agricultural zone than my location would suggest. I plant a lot of Northern and early varieties because I cannot count on more than 90 days in the growing season. Remember, many plants go dormant if the temperatures get too warm, especially at night. They can just sit there, not advancing at all, even if loaded with fruit. The length of day is important, too. Land that gets the sun later in the morning and loses it earlier in the evening will not get a good crop from varieties that need more and longer growing days.

No matter what happens, I will bet on plant technologists to come up with varieties that do fine in whatever weather/climate we have.


31 posted on 01/21/2011 9:18:29 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Avid Coug

“When do the libs finally see a buck naked emperor?”

The answer is, “because they can’t”. Almost by definition, conservatives believe what they see, and liberals believe what the emperor tells them to believe.

But then I can see from the first two sentences of your post that you know a liberal when you see one.


32 posted on 01/21/2011 9:24:25 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Errant
BTW - Found out what March 1993 is all about. Bastardi stated it represents a similar to pattern as now.

1993 Storm of the Century

33 posted on 01/21/2011 11:17:37 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
that is a

similar pattern to now.

34 posted on 01/21/2011 11:18:14 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: cripplecreek
"Now ain’t the time fer windmills."

It is at our house. Wired into our grid supply, if we are not using all of the power generated, the meter runs backwards and we get a check from Entergy for what we have contributed to the grid. I'm actually looking at another windmill, vertical axis.

35 posted on 01/21/2011 11:29:31 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: MHGinTN
"...if the folks planning the planting are still mired int he lies of the democrap party and al goreghoul, they will not only lose their shirts business wise, their faultering food production will be responsible for the deaths of millions!"

I would like to remove you from your opinion that farmers might be 'mired in the lies of the democrap party and al goreghoul'. Sigh. Good grief, farmers know how to produce a crop or two, when to do it and what do plant. It is what we do, not only to feed ourselves, but to support our entire existence.

36 posted on 01/21/2011 11:36:28 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Around here, when its still is when its coldest or warmest. This morning its 1 degree and we have a 5 mph wind.


37 posted on 01/22/2011 4:14:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Errant; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; ..
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

38 posted on 01/22/2011 5:36:13 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Errant

Let me be the first one to coin this the “Bastardi Minimum”.


39 posted on 01/22/2011 5:53:59 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: cripplecreek; JustaDumbBlonde
The wind is highly variable both in time and space, so we need to look at averages http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/maps/chap2/2-01m.html to see if a windmill makes sense. If it does, then the grid needs to be adjusted to handle the extra power and lack of power when the wind doesn't blow. In the case of a few homeowners with small windmills there's no question that their neighbors will use the extra power right away. With more windmills or large wind farms, the power users need to be incentivized to use less power when the wind dies down. That is currently the case for industry, but will extend to homeowners with a smart grid.

That way when DumbBlonde and his/her friends have extra power flowing, everyone else will get a bit of a discount to use it then and store up hot water or whatever. When they don't have power for the grid, people with smart grid appliances might see their washing machines stop for an hour to spread out the load. They will then get the cheaper rates by allowing the electric company to do that.

40 posted on 01/22/2011 6:15:47 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Errant
"Sunspots are now near where they were in the early 1800s during the Maunder Minimum. "

He must have meant Dalton (1790- 1830) not Maunder (1645-1715).
41 posted on 01/22/2011 6:25:38 AM PST by Ragnar54
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

And could you remind me how the dust bowl arose at least in part from poor farming practices which could not anticipate the length of the drought? ... Thanks, I’m sure you’ll enjoy teaching me about farming in the process.


42 posted on 01/22/2011 8:59:49 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

We’ve come a long way since the dust bowl. Catch up.


43 posted on 01/22/2011 9:16:13 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

With that non sequitur, are you trying to live up to your chosen handle or just seeking to get the last word, as usual?


44 posted on 01/22/2011 9:51:57 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
LOL! Who knew a screenname attack would be your brilliant remark? The last resort of somebody with absolutely nothing intelligent to say.
45 posted on 01/22/2011 10:09:13 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
You gave yourself the name, sweetums. You're not doing too well with your childish attempts, so far. Why not address the issues of what will happen to farming and thus the food sources generated in the U.S. as the global temperature variations swing into --we hope no more than-- a mini ice age? Stop pretending to know more than you do and give discussion a try instead of blustering uselessly.
46 posted on 01/22/2011 10:23:32 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; JustaDumbBlonde
Are your responses in white due to all the snow? Get a room!

Cheers!

47 posted on 01/22/2011 11:15:45 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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