Skip to comments.Naming a son Barack Hussein Obama was illegal under Hawaii Law in 1961
Posted on 01/21/2011 10:43:11 PM PST by bushpilot1
Section 2. All children born in wedlock after the passage of this Act shall have their fathers name as a family name.
They shall, besides, have a Christian name suitable to their sex.
Section 3.. All illegitimate children born after the passage of this Act shall have their mothers name as a family name. They shall, besides, have a. Christian name suitable to their sex.
This law was in effect until 1967. Barack and Hussein are Semitic words, they are not Christian. They are not from the English language.
How is it possible the birth certificate displayed is legal when the name is illegal.
What is real his real name? Where was he born?
All of this does not really matter..his father is a foreigner. He can never be a natural born citizen. It sure would be nice to know his real name
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“Christian name” is just another way of saying “first name”. Hawaii is saying all birth certificates must have a first name for the child
Yeah might be hard to believe (with all the atheism we have these days) but back then “Christian name” was just a way of saying “first name”
What’s with all the aliasing around many of the letters?
Race: African????? Definitely NOT 1961 terminology!
Christian name is an old-fashioned way of saying “first name”.
Christian name is an old-fashioned way of saying first name.>>>>
Yup. To not know this shows how much things have changed towards atheists being in charge
“Christian Name” doesn’t mean an English name. In legal documents,a “Christian Name” means one’s given name (first name) while a “Family Name” is the last name. “Christian Names” are unique to the individual while “Family Names” are inherited.
I don’t know what that document you posted is but to the nekkid eye it looks manipulated as all get out. There is something odd with the perspective of the stuff on the right compared to the left. Maybe it is just the way it was photographed.
Somebody smarter than me could make a more technical appraisal I’m sure, but that thing looks weird.
Don’t much matter, his old dead daddy was a British subject that makes him non-American from what I’ve read anywho.
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Of course it is very constitutional for a state to dictate what names you can and cannot name your child.
Jech v. Burch. 466 F. Supp. 714 - US: Dist. Court, D. Hawaii 1979.
“There is no known case in which the requirements of “a Christian name” that was “suitable to their sex” were ever enforced. One wonders whether Grand Constable Anne de Montmorency, first owner of the Chateau de Chantilly, could have been so named had he been born in Hawaii between 1860 and 1967.”
“Plaintiffs have a Constitutionally protected right to give their own child any surname they choose. The refusal of the registrar of births to accept the surname “Jebef” as the child’s surname is a deprivation under color of state law of a right secured by the Constitution of the United States.”
I’m certainly no expert here but taking a digital photo of lettering and saving as a .jpg causes some weird artifacts.
But that doc, whatever it is, looks strange. And, it’s still real “birth certificate” like that nimrod governor is supposed to be looking for.
Carp, I mean “not” a real BC. Too late and too much Dogfish.
No it wasn't. It may have been the will of the people. It may have been on the books. But it could not have been in effect, because it's unconstitutional on its face.
Barack and Hussein are Semitic words, they are not Christian.
No law requiring Christian names can be constitutional. The Constitution does not permit the establishment of a state cult.
As for those names being Semitic, that's an insult. They are clearly of the Moon God Religion.
Al-Lat, the Islamic Moon Goddess
Walk around it seven time, then kiss it.
Now THAT is interesting. Garcias for the post.
Negro .. ! If you called anybody black back then, you had best be in the comforts of your own home .. !
Every time I see that I can’t help but think... OBSCENE.
What is real his real name? Where was he born?
All of this does not really matter..his father is a foreigner.
“Christian name” doesn’t mean the name has to come from christianity. It merely means “first” or “given” name. And they wanted everybody to have a “last” or “family” name too. Probably to ease confusion in recordkeeping.
We said Black in Hawaii. We had a very close friend there who was black. WONDERFUL guy, he was a very close family friend, and I remember his name like I remember my own. I knew he was black, but then as now, it was irrelevant. I saw the quality of his character, and that was beyond reproach.
Where ever you are Ronnie, and I think it is right next to my Dad in heaven.... there are still people who miss you!
How many times are you going to post this today?
There’s never been a law about ethnic or religious origins of infant names that I’m aware of. But there is something else I find suspicious. Wasn’t 1960s terminology for black racial origin “black” or “Negro” as opposed to “African?”
I don’t know why my post was removed.
Here’s the link to the FR article.
I think there’s more to it though. If she was unwed, then he would have been Barack Hussein Dunham - not obama.
What is that thing? It looks like a kitchen drain.
I'm guessing that with all those Hawaiian natives and Japanese...Maybe back then they would not be filling in the Christian name in the birth certificate. Their idea of a first name being different. So the Hawaiian departments of records had to lay down the law
Good grief ... the title is an outright lie.
For sure there is something fishy in the Kenyan’s birth certificate. Could be anything. Plus John McCain seems to have been ineligible too. He was born in a US Military Hospital that was on 99 year leased Panamanian territory. Then his own auto-biography says something else
Remember, back in 2001 when GWB said, "this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile."?
The libtards said he was speaking like an uncultured, racist, Texas cowboy because he used a word the muzzies don't like.
But anyone with half a brain knew he got the word from Ike, and it had nothing to do with religion.
I suppose that “Christian name” does refer to “first name” but I was already an adult listening to Brits and Europeans speaking before I ever heard anyone say “Christian name” refering to “first given name.”
Were these Hawaiian rules penned by Eiropeans, or something? It seems too, too old fashioned for Hawaii in the 1960s. My 1956 BC has “first given name” and “second given name.”
My father’s 1928 BC has “first given name” etc.
But it looks like the issue is the family name, really.
It's a shrine built into one corner of the Kaaba, which is the cubic thing at the center of Mecca (some have speculated it makes a good target for a W87, LOL!) that the Moooselimbs circle around when they make their pilgrimage (the Haj).
That’s one fancy looking port-a-potty there.
Dennis is correct. The first name was referred to as “Christian” because in the majority of cases it was given at baptism.
John McCain isn’t president though - are you not sure of where you stand on the issue? Christian name normally means first name, that’s a given - but the issue of the last name is something that hasn’t been answered yet.
Thanks. I think I’ll google the Haj and get a little education. ;)
No, it is not what the gov. is looking for. The form the gov is looking for has name of hospital and attending physician on it.
I’ve noticed a lot of laws are not enforced.....I think it was no big deal in 1961 for a kid to be given a foreign sounding name
Looks like a vulva.
The term Christian name is often used as a general synonym for given name. Strictly speaking, the term applies to a name formally given to a child at an infant baptism or "christening".
. . . . . Steve?
Check this out:
Doesn’t matter where John McCain was born. Both of his parents were citizens, no? Of course this has changed since even Obama (and McCain obviously) were born.
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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
Reminds me of the, ummmm, aluminum “facilities” found at the back of airliners in the 1980’s.
I hate to break it to you but almost all “Christian” names are Semitic in origin. Joshua, Joseph, Jude, Jewish.
Most other given names (Christian names) that are not “Biblical” are barbarian in nature.
William - Gild helm. The name a barbarian would take after killing a Roman soldier and taking his shiny helmet.
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