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soooo, will they get bailed out by Obama and Co. or will they be allowed to go bankrupt? That is the one hundred million dollar question of course. If they go bankrupt, shouldn't that say something about the US's AAA Moody rating. The underlying question then is this, is this is or this ain't a good time to buy gold considering all of this? Or is there something better to look at? This is all quite unprecedented.
1 posted on 01/22/2011 1:34:15 PM PST by RC one
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bttt


2 posted on 01/22/2011 1:36:39 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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FTA The 10 most insolvent U.S. states are: California, Florida, Illinois, Arizona, New Jersey, Michigan, Nevada, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Rhode Island. These states make up about one-third of the U.S. population.

See anything in common here, except for Florida and AZ????

Let em die.


3 posted on 01/22/2011 1:37:30 PM PST by bt579 (Liberals need women dependent and scared so that women, like blacks, will vote Democrat.)
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Democrats = Dig deeper to get out of hole.

CUT ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS and institute policies that cause illegal immigrants to leave, cut taxes and get government the ‘f’ out of the way.


4 posted on 01/22/2011 1:38:42 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais is beatha do cheal deanaimh)
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Let's see now. Elections in 2012. Public employee union members would lose their pensions. Credit markets would be disrupted as municipal bonds turned sour - adding to the existing problems.

Will there be a bailout? Or will the administration choose harsh medicine?

Do we really need to ask? Yes, there will be a bailout. Yes, the dollar will break support and head down. Yes, gold will continue its bull market trend.

5 posted on 01/22/2011 1:40:16 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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Hope California goes as soon as possible!!

Fire 2/3 of employees and eliminate state pensions!!


6 posted on 01/22/2011 1:41:25 PM PST by dalereed
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Once one goes the rest will fall like dominoes. Invest in guillotines.
8 posted on 01/22/2011 1:46:08 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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One of the most famous municipalities to go bankrupt was Orange County, California, in 1994.

I don't live in CA, so don't know how Orange County is doing today - they surely didn't disintegrate and disappear. They are surely not a pariah and I just wonder if they had any difficulty selling bonds thereafter and at what interest rate. They could pose as poster children for bankruptcies - "See? No one grew two heads or came down with warts!"

14 posted on 01/22/2011 2:02:35 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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Speaking as a resident of what is probably the first State to have to repudiate it’s debt, Illinois, I say let us crash and burn.


18 posted on 01/22/2011 2:09:03 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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I pray everyday for CA to go Bankrupt- we could be back in action real fast if we dissolved the union thuggeraucraty


22 posted on 01/22/2011 2:17:26 PM PST by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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States will raise taxes and fees to make up the shortfall if the situation becomes critical. They rather risk losing businesses and see people leave, but that all takes time before that impacts the state. In the meantime there are many who cannot leave and they will be the ones fleeced. States will avoid defaulting because it means decades into the future where no one will loan them money nor buy their bonds. That is a fate worst then political unpopularity.
Freepers we live in dangerous times. When government and financial elites blow up our economy, that is the era where the middle class will be destroyed. Remember in any economic change (globalism, free trade) or crisis (depression, hyperinflation, default, etc) the middle class will always be sacrificed and the rich (who control the system) will protect themselves.
A booming and expanding economy is the only period where the middle class and upper middle class grows. IMHO we are too powerless to force change on our corporate and government elites, unless we chose violent armed revolution. Most Americans are not prepared to do that, and even if they do, does one replace chaos with chaos. The only path left is democracy. Democracy is too slow to bring on change, because our smaller number elites are too nimble and will counter faster then the voters. By the time we are mobilized to change, the crisis is already upon us.
The only thing we have power to do is protect our families from the coming financial storm of inflation as our bankers/fed reserve/US Treasury made a strategic decision to borrow and inflate our way out of debt. People should have started preparing since the meltdown in 2008. It is still not too late to prepare, but time is running out.


24 posted on 01/22/2011 2:42:44 PM PST by Fee
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Spending, spending, spending - with no reservations...

Then, the worst state of all - Illinois does exactly the opposite of what they should to rectify the situation - they keep spending, then jack up income taxes by 66% - thus further screwing businesses and individuals.

The #1 method of stimulating the tax income of states is to LOWER taxes so that more $ is available for spending, investing, paying salaries, and thus feeding the economy which PRODUCES revenue...

But hey-— it’s ok. Obama is gonna bail his Chicago thug jerks out...again...


26 posted on 01/22/2011 3:05:24 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: RC one; The Comedian

Put yer money down, ladies and gents. the winner gets a lovely pile of cash from the taxpayers!


27 posted on 01/22/2011 3:12:16 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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“soooo, will they get bailed out by Obama and Co. or will they be allowed to go bankrupt?”

The House originates all spending bills, & it is controlled by Pubs. So any bailout will be the work of REPUBLICANS who can easily block any bailout.

Certainly Obama would love to have all that bailout money pass through his sticky hands. The game of Wealth Redistribution always means some of the money will end up in his pockets through kickbacks, er... contributions. But his slush fund is not big enough to bail out even one of the mentioned states.

I imagine any bailout will follow the TARP script of “too big to fail”. The RINOs (with tears in their eyes & earmarks in their pockets) will join the Rats, & the deal will be done.

Frankly, I think these states are trying to hold off any bailout until after Obama is reelected to avoid any backlash from the voters affecting his chances in ‘12. TARP was very unpopular with voters. A bailout of states will be even more unpopular.

32 posted on 01/22/2011 5:07:48 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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Extraordinary times call for truly unique solutions. Rather than conducting business as usual, with all the lemmings marching steadily toward the cliff, we should have a new law that removes all but one representative from those states with a debt greater than $100M times the current number of representatives. This would cut the number of Congress-critters by nearly 35%, give states an incentive to get their finances in order, and prevent at least a portion of the inept from having a voice in governing the rest of the states that are making the hard decisions to stay solvent.

Just a thought.


33 posted on 01/22/2011 5:57:32 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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Congress will not approve allocation of money for bailouts.

There are two other avenues for states to get money - the executive branch and the judicial branch.

There are no doubt many avenues open to allocate funds to states by executive order. Last I read there were still funds available in porkulus. That’s one way. It would be unpopular, but Obama is between a rock and a hard place. He’ll do what the unions want him to do.

States in trouble can mount lawsuits claiming their state bears an unfair burden for the care of illegals, children, subsidized college students, senior citizens, mentally ill, addicted - you name it. Other states who don’t have this type of burden should share the cost. A liberal sympathetic court would agree.

When liberals don’t get their way through legislation, they usually turn to the courts, so I think that’s what they’ll do.


35 posted on 01/22/2011 7:51:31 PM PST by randita
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37 posted on 01/22/2011 9:02:40 PM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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Nevada, which is 90% owned by the federal government, the BLM and the UN is insolvent because the Feds don’t know how to enforce the No Trespassing signs on the US border.

Anyone applying for substantial financial payments should apply to the US Treasury before even stepping on the Governors doorstep.

There is absolutely NO Reason why the feds should own more than a few acres of Nevada!


38 posted on 01/22/2011 9:18:41 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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Technically, there is no legal process by which a state can file for bankruptcy.

I don't understand why states NEED bankruptcy. Other than a few items assigned by the Constitution to the Federal Government, states are soveriegn. Don't want to pay pension obligations? Pass a law and don't pay them.

40 posted on 01/22/2011 9:50:14 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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