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Calif AG: Man with beard can't become prison guard
hosted ^ | Jan 25 | DON THOMPSON

Posted on 01/26/2011 12:08:34 AM PST by JoeProBono

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- California's attorney general says religious beliefs aren't enough to trump a corrections department ban on prison guards wearing beards - a stance that drew protests Tuesday from civil rights organizations.

Attorney General Kamala Harris argued in a Sacramento County Superior Court filing Jan. 6 that Trilochan Oberoi can't be properly fitted for a gas mask if he keeps the facial hair required by his Sikh religion.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: beard; sikh

1 posted on 01/26/2011 12:08:37 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

deathholds on beards are a number one way of immobilizing a guard - turn him loose in the main yard for an hour and see if he still wants to be a guard with a beard! this guy is an idiot and therefore unfit to be a CO


2 posted on 01/26/2011 12:13:35 AM PST by blueplum
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To: JoeProBono

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t — if the Sikh has to get through a tear-gassed area but can’t because his beard keeps his gas mask from sealing, he’d probably sue over that too.

Still, you’d think someone would have solved the gas mask and beard problem by now (like a unit that seals around the neck).


3 posted on 01/26/2011 12:15:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: blueplum

This looks like a beard too short to grab. I’d wonder more about what’s under that turban.


4 posted on 01/26/2011 12:17:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: blueplum
deathholds on beards ...

I'm learning about that from my 5 month old grandson. He's a brute!

5 posted on 01/26/2011 12:17:57 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Still, you’d think someone would have solved the gas mask and beard problem by now ...

The solution is instantly apprehended, and almost as quickly implemented.

6 posted on 01/26/2011 12:21:00 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would not want to wear a unit that sealed around my neck. There is active pressure from the mask that would not be good on your carotid artery or airway. It would be an even worse idea for a corrections officer since an inmate could grab the mask from behind and choke him with one hand using the mask.

This guy is out of luck.


7 posted on 01/26/2011 12:21:09 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: HiTech RedNeck

8 posted on 01/26/2011 12:22:25 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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9 posted on 01/26/2011 12:24:29 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: blueplum

10 posted on 01/26/2011 12:28:25 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Close enough.


11 posted on 01/26/2011 12:28:53 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: JoeProBono

“...department policy is to allow beards up to an inch long if a doctor verifies that a guard has a skin disorder or irritation.”

“The 22-page filing by Harris said the exemption applies only to guards who passed the gas mask fitting test before the policy took effect six years ago and later grew their beards.”

This might sink their case. Normally, I would think having a beard might be beyond the expectations of “reasonable accommodation”, given the safety issues involved for a CO. But if they’ve allowed other correctional officers to grow a beard to similar lengths, then the policy is being inconsistently applied.

Be interesting to see how things turn out.


12 posted on 01/26/2011 12:32:47 AM PST by DemforBush (I got three passports, a couple of visas. You don't even know my real name..)
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To: DemforBush

He wouldn’t be allowed to work any where that requires a GM. “make The dirty Captalist develop a solution to this problem”sounds like a bleeding heart Liberal. You can bet your bottom dollar that they wouldn’t be concerned if he were a Christian. Let him work at a drive in grocery if he can’t conform to the Safety rules.


13 posted on 01/26/2011 1:08:57 AM PST by barb-tex (What else did you expect from the likes of 0? BTW, What ever happened to Rhodesia?, Oh, yes, Zimbabw)
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To: JoeProBono

Maybe he should...Sikh a new line of work.


14 posted on 01/26/2011 1:09:17 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: JoeProBono
What is the matter with people and their idiotic ideas about civil rights?

People do not have unconditional rights to any given job. Nearly any given job will have certain physical requirements that must be fulfilled in order to perform the job.

Pilots must have good eyesight. Professional wrestlers must have great strength and good acting ability.

Some jobs have requirements beyond physical requirements such as being willing to work all 7 days of the week; ignoring the religious requirement to keep the Sabbath day holy. Some jobs require uniforms and being clean shaven.

If you can not or will not meet the requirements of the job first if you are aware that you can not fulfill the job requirements do the right thing and do not apply. If after applying and finding that you can not fulfill the requirements accept the fact that you or your convictions preclude you from the job and move on to some other job.

People who think that they are entitled to any job they want regardless of the unreasonable accommodations that would have to be made to permit them to perform the job simply are living in a fantasy land.

They put themselves and their coworkers in danger. The trial judge should laugh in their faces and throw the case out.

15 posted on 01/26/2011 1:13:42 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: BigCinBigD

"Have you considered driving a taxi?"


16 posted on 01/26/2011 1:14:26 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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17 posted on 01/26/2011 1:26:44 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

Why can’t he just go work at a 7-11 like the rest of them?


18 posted on 01/26/2011 2:21:54 AM PST by Bullish (Obama's obviously drunk at the wheel and should be taken off the road before he gets people killed)
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To: BigCinBigD
Maybe he should...Sikh a new line of work.

That pun is Sikh...

Really, the only issue the state has regarding the issue is...

...wait for it...

...turban or not turban

19 posted on 01/26/2011 3:42:25 AM PST by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: JoeProBono

Beard bans are also common for firefighters. Same rationale.


20 posted on 01/26/2011 3:49:37 AM PST by Spartan79 (Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem.)
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To: JoeProBono

Sikhs hate Islam. ‘nuff said


21 posted on 01/26/2011 5:09:17 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Spartan79

Some years ago, the Naval Attache at the U.S. Embassy in Jeddah wore a beard. Half way through his tour he was selected to attend the USAF fighter school. As a requirement for his attendance, they told him “lose the beard, Commander.” They told him that it was Air Force policy for all personnel to be clean shaven. He reluctantly shaved and when he returned to Saudi Arabia, he grew it back. I guess since then, the Navy banned beards.


22 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:55 AM PST by Ax
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To: Ax

I would think the same rationale would also apply to pilots, who have to be prepared to don oxygen masks, which might not provide an effective seal if the user had a beard.


23 posted on 01/26/2011 5:26:34 AM PST by Spartan79 (Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem.)
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