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Italian commercial cold fusion saga continues with new papers released
Pure Energy Systems Network ^ | Jan. 26, 2011 | Sterling D. Allan

Posted on 01/27/2011 10:38:26 AM PST by The Comedian

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To: The Comedian

“...In the demonstration device for every unit of input there was approximately 37 units of output.”

“During the test it produced 20 times more energy out than in. In the lab they have done similar tests and obtained 400 times more out than in, but it produced explosions.”

Wow explosions. Sounds better than most US universities where kids are smoking bongs, playing video games, trying to “hook up” and Jethro & Demitrius at Corn Cob U is trying to run the I back or the option or the “veer.”

At Notre Dame the circula is giving muslims medlas for partial birth abortion.


21 posted on 01/27/2011 11:29:35 AM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: Frantzie
The point is I doubt these guys would risk their and the U of Bologna reputation on BS.

Bloody excellent point!

I was thinking the same thing. This event has a much more of a ring of authenticity to it exactly because of the involvement of UoB.


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22 posted on 01/27/2011 11:31:31 AM PST by The Comedian (Stop voting for The Government Party)
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To: Frantzie
At Notre Dame the circula is giving muslims medlas for partial birth abortion.

It's a pity you never learned subject/verb agreement in your schooling. It would make your idiocy so much more convincing.

23 posted on 01/27/2011 11:32:31 AM PST by r9etb
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To: RobRoy
Seriously, if everything in this article is true, it would completely destroy the status-quo, sending the worlds economy/cultures into absolute chaos.

Just imagine if we told OPEC that they can EAT their oil, where would Jihad Jonny get the money to build a suicide belt>

24 posted on 01/27/2011 11:32:34 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: The Comedian

Deployment of commercial generation using this process is the real test of its viability. If they can generate 37 times the input energy, and do so in the labs of independent observers, then that’s pretty conclusive. Even if it doesn’t generate high enough temperatures for electric power, if the units can be made inexpensively enough they can be used for heating and hot water production in hotels and apartment buildings.


25 posted on 01/27/2011 11:34:24 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: mike70

Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing that. I was gonna write it in Latin, but English is fine too.


26 posted on 01/27/2011 11:42:59 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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A small percentage of the nickel is transmuted into copper.

Wow ... adding a Proton to Ni. Something weird is going on, I didn't read any H getting bumped to He.

I am curious as to the various states of output to input, and that an output of 400:1 producing explosions - I wonder what 'type' of explosion they were creating. I'm not a chemist, but based upon the ingredients I don't see anything doing more than a 'pop' - and that being H2 being oxidized.

If this works out, this will revolutionize the world. Coal fired plants will be obsolete, nuclear will be used ONLY for weaponization, LG generation plants will be possibly used for Peak Demand situtaions.

Our reliance on Fossil Fuels will all but stop. We can tell our Arab 'Friends' that they will have to find another way to finance ways to destroy us.

27 posted on 01/27/2011 11:44:43 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: GraceG
The greenies will not like a cheap source of energy if this is proven verifiable...

Mo more econoboxes!
Do you think the greenies would approve of an EV version of this Ford


28 posted on 01/27/2011 11:45:47 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: The Comedian
capable of producing 10 kW of heat

So Al Gore would need, what--about 50 of these to power his compound, Rancho del Megajoule...?

29 posted on 01/27/2011 11:49:29 AM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: thefactor
I rarely ever actually do it, but your reply made me literally LOL!

Thanks for that.

30 posted on 01/27/2011 11:51:55 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Sgt_Schultze; thefactor

Ditto


31 posted on 01/27/2011 11:53:11 AM PST by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: Hodar

In all seriousness, if today, we stopped all imports of middle eastern oil, tomorrow (or shortly thereafter) would be TEOTWAWKI.


32 posted on 01/27/2011 11:56:08 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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So, they’ve run it for “several hours” at a time, and it produces 1kw of output per 5L. Let’s be generous and say that “several” is 5, so we get an even 1kWh/L. That’s 3.6MJ/l. Gasoline has an energy density of about 35MJ/l. Just ignoring the energy that they input while they’re running it (which is where they’re getting this “gain” factor from), if this thing is starting out with even 1/10th the *chemical* energy of gasoline, that explains everything.

Their nuclear reaction proposal makes no sense for several reasons. Esp. since they’re using normal nickel, since adding a proton to Ni-58 means you get radioactive Cu-59, which distinctly isn’t happening. Their shielding explanation makes no sense either, since while lead will block all alpha, and most beta, it won’t with gamma or neutrons. Copper is an exceedingly common contaminant by the way — it’s in the wires they’re using, the tubing, it’ll be found as an impurity in the nickel, and you find copper dissolved as a contaminant in tap water (due to copper piping). Finding copper means absolutely nothing.

Want to know what’s most likely actually happening here? Their “treatment” process for the nickel is most likely making it reactive in some way or another. For example, if their “treatment” process involves electricity and water, they’re probably loading it up with hydrogen (making nickel hydride), which is being released as they heat the nickel and either burning or catalytically decomposing. This would also explain the explosion they reported — if they outgas hydrogen too fast and it accumulates rather than steadily burning, you’ll get an explosion when it does ignite.

Nothing to see here.


33 posted on 01/27/2011 11:59:14 AM PST by OldGuard1
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Our reliance on Fossil Fuels will all but stop. We can tell our Arab 'Friends' that they will have to find another way to finance ways to destroy us.

Yup, like I said, it will change humanity.

For the better.


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34 posted on 01/27/2011 12:00:12 PM PST by The Comedian (Stop voting for The Government Party)
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Yeah not to pound the table but this school is almost 1,000 year old.

U.S. universities will destroy their credibility in a heartbeat to advance the leftist agenda or give Obama another medal.

The you know who’s are “graduates” from Harvard, Princeton and Columbia but the transcripts are sealed? He needs a TOTUS to talk to little kids???

Loads of US unis push the GW agenda and have courses in it along with women’s studies and other grievance agendas.

UNi of VA and Penn State are up to their eyeballs in the GW fraud with that one professor. VA AG Ken Cucinelli was suing him for defrauding state taxpayers!

I would think U of Bologna probably told them - this better work or we look like fools.

This is especially after Pons and Fleischmann at U of Utah. Pons lives in France now? Hmmm... I wonder if it worked, they changed the formulas after they got a big payday.


35 posted on 01/27/2011 12:04:56 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: mike70

YEAH! LIKE WHAT YOU SAID!

(Seriouusly, you are scary smart dude).


36 posted on 01/27/2011 12:06:55 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Conservatives want a CHOICE not an echo - No more RINOs!)
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To: RobRoy

Most people do not realize it, but thanks to Texan George Mitchell, we are #1 in nat gas producting and reserves. This happened within the last 5 years. Mitchell’s horizontal drilling technolgy was the key.

I would bet we have 5 times the Saudi’s oil reserves just in Nat Gas on “federal land.” The states need to take the land back from the Feds.


37 posted on 01/27/2011 12:12:08 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: randog
Rancho del Megajoule

Consider that immediately stolen.


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38 posted on 01/27/2011 12:12:24 PM PST by The Comedian (Stop voting for The Government Party)
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Oh, and if you want hope for an economical fusion power plant, your best place to look isn’t random quacks with aluminum foil “reactors”. It’s HiPER (the HIgh Power laser Energy Research facility). It’s an ICF approach (Interial Confinement — I.e., “it takes time for things to accelerate, aka, explode, and matter can still fuse during that time” — I.e., “compress a fusion target enough with lasers, fast enough, and it’ll fuse”. However, unlike NIF (the National Ignition Facility), they’re not driving the fusion solely by the laser compression pulse (which requires a ton of energy and super-expensive lasers). Instead, they have a weaker pulse (which “only” compresses the pellet to 30 times the density of lead, instead of 100x), but then have a second “heating” pulse to superheat the high-density target as well, significantly increasing its fusion rate.

HiPER is, of course, a demo plant, not a power plant. It’s not designed for A) rapid reloading/refiring, B) capturing the heat output for power generation, and C) continuous operation (for example, durable breeder shielding). But these are simpler, more traditional engineering challenges. The key is that HiPER is predicted to produce a 100-fold fusion gain at a construction cost of $1B, using known, conventional physics. That’s really critical, because that’s easily a high enough gain to overcome system losses, and for a fusion demo plant, that’s a really down to earth budget.

The big physics unknown for HiPER to test, and the reason we can’t just start building fusion power plants based on the design now, is how effective the heating pulse will be when directed at a target with those densities. We know how normal density matter heats from ultra-short laser pulses, but not something 30 times the density of lead. The whole system and process needs to be well quantified before you can start commercializing it.


39 posted on 01/27/2011 12:15:31 PM PST by OldGuard1
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Of course the final proof of this will be when the 1MW plant opens.

Old School Science would say the final proof would be replicable results.

40 posted on 01/27/2011 12:19:25 PM PST by AU72
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