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Did Condi Rice cause the uprising in Egypt?

Posted on 01/28/2011 9:59:12 PM PST by REDWOOD99

Condi's speech in Cairo 2005 is an American Classic! Compare this to zer-O's Cairo speech.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=20976


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: condirice; condoleezarice; egypt; egyptriots; israel; mubarak; rice; waronterror
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1 posted on 01/28/2011 9:59:13 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

The way Hillary talked today, she likes it.


2 posted on 01/28/2011 10:03:08 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: REDWOOD99

No, everyone knows it was right wing talk radio!


3 posted on 01/28/2011 10:04:06 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: REDWOOD99

In other words - Bush’s Fault!

W took a lot of grief re: Iraq. Could the ME be turning democratic because of what we did in Iraq?


4 posted on 01/28/2011 10:05:52 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

I don’t think this can be blamed on us one way or the other...but they’ll try.


5 posted on 01/28/2011 10:07:24 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

I don’t think this is blame. I think this is credit.


6 posted on 01/28/2011 10:09:47 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Libloather

This isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood. These are educated and connected young adults who’ve had a taste of freedom.


7 posted on 01/28/2011 10:11:02 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: 23 Everest

What’s going on in Egypt is a good thing! It’s not the Muslim Brotherhood or the Iranian Revolution. These are young people who want the freedom they see in Iraq.


8 posted on 01/28/2011 10:13:17 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

...that all depends on how it turns out, doesn’t it.


9 posted on 01/28/2011 10:14:03 PM PST by americanophile
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To: REDWOOD99
We got a guy who will get us ahead.


10 posted on 01/28/2011 10:15:27 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: REDWOOD99

Delusional Wilsonianism is no way to go through life young man.


11 posted on 01/28/2011 10:16:19 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Lazlo in PA

JB, Sheriff of the planet. Noone does it better.


12 posted on 01/28/2011 10:18:24 PM PST by txhurl
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To: REDWOOD99
enlighten me. Violent overthrow of a "moderate" dictatorship to be filled with a "democratic" what?
13 posted on 01/28/2011 10:21:57 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: americanophile

How can people taking control of their own destinies turn out wrong?


14 posted on 01/28/2011 10:23:28 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Clemenza

Back that statement up as pertaining to ANYTHING I’ve said or POUND SAND!


15 posted on 01/28/2011 10:23:32 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

Watch the MSM! Zer0 will get total credit for the uprisings of the Arabs, based on his Cairo speech!
But, only if it comes out ok. Hardliner Condi and Bush will be villified, regardless of the outcome!


16 posted on 01/28/2011 10:23:44 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: REDWOOD99

Redwood99, educated youth? Are you kidding me. It’s total proverty. Look at the videos streaming. There are no cars on the road. No sidewalks. No shops, businesses doing commerce. These are mooslimbs activist pushing sharia everywhere they can plain and simple


17 posted on 01/28/2011 10:26:18 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: REDWOOD99

Let me add REDWOOD99....You Lie!


18 posted on 01/28/2011 10:27:24 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

"I'm crushing your head....I'm crushing your head...crush...crush....crush..."

19 posted on 01/28/2011 10:28:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 23 Everest

Are you saying it’s better to have Mubarak in power than have a government the people of Egypt support?

“Violent Overthrow?”


20 posted on 01/28/2011 10:29:04 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

POUND SAND Rag head. Have a nice weekend.


21 posted on 01/28/2011 10:32:14 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: REDWOOD99

Ask the Iranians, the Chinese, the Russians, the Cambodians, the French...and anyone else who’s had a ‘revolution’ that has turned into a bloody totalitarian nightmare.


22 posted on 01/28/2011 10:32:52 PM PST by americanophile
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To: REDWOOD99
Yes, I said violent overthrow, isn't that what your mooselimb brotherhood is doing? Be honest, isn't every radical within a sniff centering on Egypt. You know their goal is Islam.
23 posted on 01/28/2011 10:36:07 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Amen.


24 posted on 01/28/2011 10:39:29 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: 23 Everest

Educated and poor are not mutually exclusive. Poverty when there is money to be had is begging for a revolution.

I beg to differ with your “plain and simple” explanation.


25 posted on 01/28/2011 10:39:46 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: 23 Everest

I lie?


26 posted on 01/28/2011 10:39:53 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: americanophile

I don’t think this is the same thing. The world is going a different direction.


27 posted on 01/28/2011 10:39:59 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: 23 Everest

Rag head?


28 posted on 01/28/2011 10:40:01 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

And having a degree doesn’t make one smart.
The islamist will promise to be a river to the people.
Until they have the iron fist.


29 posted on 01/28/2011 10:45:20 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: REDWOOD99

No one ever does. Revolutions seldom turn out according to the designs of the revolutionaries.


30 posted on 01/28/2011 10:48:35 PM PST by americanophile
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To: REDWOOD99
I beg to differ with your “plain and simple” explanation.

A liberal democracy is an anathema to Islam. To think otherwise goes against experience. The predominant goverments in Muslim countries are a dictatorship of theocracy or secularism.

31 posted on 01/28/2011 10:49:41 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: REDWOOD99

No, yes & yes. It really is that simple for people not blinded by the state run media and people like you. I’m not saying Murbarki is a good thing but the animals in the street remind me of the fall of the Shah. You may be too young to remember, but I do.


32 posted on 01/28/2011 10:49:45 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: REDWOOD99

The speed at which events are evolving in the ME and Obamas willingness to make rash decisions are how bad things happen.

Just where was obama on the uprising in Iran?
Oh that’s right... he said bupkis.
How about NK Killing 46 SK sailors in a n act of war? Again Bupkis.

Did Obama chide Hu Jinto the other week about human rights?
No. He threw him a party.

Next up, the commies in SA.
Chavez will be pleased.


33 posted on 01/28/2011 10:51:56 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: REDWOOD99
What, this isn't a Palin did it thread?
34 posted on 01/28/2011 10:53:02 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: REDWOOD99
"How can people taking control of their own destinies turn out wrong?"

When they vote someone like Ayman Al-Zawahiri into office as their president....

35 posted on 01/28/2011 10:53:50 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: REDWOOD99

Well, she was right.

We have been asking Egypt to reform for the last decade so as to avoid this and now the conflagration has been joined in three other countries.

The King of Jordan is a good man and sensitive to his people. He may well finesse change without too much damage to the country.

The house of Saud will put down the rioters like dogs and be done with it.

We don’t need this right now. We just completed Iraq and are still trying to hold the thing together while we pressure Iran.

Egypt is a friend and strategic partner. The results of chaos are generally not what one imagines or desires.

We don’t need a broken Egyptian government who attacks Israel while bringing Syria into play. Big mess.

Gotta revisit this 10 years from now under more favorable conditions.


36 posted on 01/28/2011 10:55:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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I know Mubarak aint no saint, but has anybody heard what the complains of the people are?

He has been in power for 30 years.
Has there been a sudden shift in his policy?


37 posted on 01/28/2011 11:06:22 PM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: REDWOOD99
Carter = Obama = Iran = Egypt
38 posted on 01/29/2011 12:02:46 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: americanophile

I was trying to find an old quote (perhaps from Jefferson, maybe Franklin) about that, where they said something like the American Revolution was a rarity in how it turned out. A lot of that is I think Providence, and also having virtuous leaders. Not sure that applies in Egypt today.

Here is a sort-of applicable quote:

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to always be kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.” — Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826


39 posted on 01/29/2011 12:18:04 AM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

scary, a'int it?

40 posted on 01/29/2011 12:31:42 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: 21twelve
There are many which fit that bill, and a couple of good one's from Washington himself:

"No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency...We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of heaven cannot be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained."

Here's another fine one:

"It appears to me… little short of a miracle, that the Delegates from so many different States ... should unite in forming a system of national Government, so little liable to well founded objections."

41 posted on 01/29/2011 1:29:45 AM PST by americanophile
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To: 23 Everest

No, yes & yes. It really is that simple for people not blinded by the state run media and people like you. I’m not saying Murbarki is a good thing but the animals in the street remind me of the fall of the Shah. You may be too young to remember, but I do.


That is exactly what is happening.
History is repeating itself .


42 posted on 01/29/2011 1:56:54 AM PST by Lera
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To: mylife

I know Mubarak aint no saint, but has anybody heard what the complains of the people are?

He has been in power for 30 years.
Has there been a sudden shift in his policy?


No big policy changes on his part.
He is sick and most likely won’t live much longer.
He was to pass this to his son , the muslim brotherhood has different ideas.

They are going to use the poverty of the people to put themselves into power ... then things will REALLY get BAD for the people.


43 posted on 01/29/2011 2:01:24 AM PST by Lera
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To: REDWOOD99
Please, enough of the tired old driveby media talking points. Educated and connected Americans know better. The choice in Egypt is between Mubarak and radical Islam.
44 posted on 01/29/2011 2:30:24 AM PST by jboot
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To: REDWOOD99

And if Egypt ends up as another Iran?


45 posted on 01/29/2011 3:18:09 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: REDWOOD99

The Brotherhood views them as “Useful Idiots.”


46 posted on 01/29/2011 3:57:51 AM PST by iontheball
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To: jboot; Lera; 23 Everest; REDWOOD99

So you you are thinking this is more like when communism (Muslim Brotherhood) hijacked the Russian revolution than the American Revolution?


47 posted on 01/29/2011 4:07:56 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Where are the 350 American Hostages? That is what made Iran so bad. We would have cared less what was going on in Iran had the hostages not been part of it. Same with Egypt. Unless we take casualties or hostages no one really cares. Now of course I have been to Egypt on vacation and it was great but their politics are going to change one way or the other.


48 posted on 01/29/2011 4:24:25 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Doomonyou
You forgot Andy Reid....


49 posted on 01/29/2011 4:53:29 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: REDWOOD99

Condi?Naaah!!But I’m sure somewhere...flittng about in the usually empty recesses of a liberal mind...its occurred to someone its all BUSH’S FAULT!!!


50 posted on 01/29/2011 4:57:01 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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