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What scientists believe (Younger scientists are now more religious than older scientists)
Cardus ^ | 01/25/2011 | Milton Friesen

Posted on 01/29/2011 12:53:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Despite the binary title, Science vs. Religion is about the need for greater nuance, informed communication, and mutual understanding within the complicated intertwining spaces of religious belief and scientific research.

Using social science research methods, Ecklund aims to map the contours of religious belief and spirituality in the lives and minds of natural and social scientists at 21 elite research universities in the United States. Her research included 1,700 web and phone surveys and 275 personal interviews (and the survey instruments are included in the book).

One of the dominant themes that emerges from this primary research is the extraordinary degree of misunderstanding that exists in and around the relationship between religion and science in U.S. higher education. Many of the battles fought in the tectonic shifts of secularity that have occurred through the modern age either originated in or were made definitive by a post-secondary context. This is not unexpected. Scientific inquiry's pursuit of knowledge and original research requires that new ideas be sorted out and reconciled with existing ideas. Such exchanges involve a degree of inherent conflict.

Eckland sought to answer this question: "What do elite scientists think about religion today?" The answers are surprising. Survey data reveals a landscape that is very dynamic, complex, and, at times, disturbing. The simplistic dichotomies of either/or, for/against, science/religion are clearly at best a hindrance, and at worst a regression. Over and over, Ecklund's research affirms that no matter where a person or institution may land on the spectrum of beliefs about what constitutes true knowledge, everyone is overdue for a more mature and nuanced ability to communicate and relate.

Ecklund also notes that "after four years of research, at least one thing became clear: Much of what we believe about the faith lives of elite scientists is wrong. The 'insurmountable hostility' between science and religion is a caricature, a thought-cliché, perhaps useful as a satire on groupthink, but hardly representative of reality." In highly political, ideological, and moral turf battles, proponents of both science and religion have been guilty of this along many fronts.

What myths does Ecklund dispel? Here are a few:

1.Despite stereotypes, scientists are not entirely irreligious or unspiritual. Around 50% of elite natural and social scientists identify with a religious tradition. That does not mean that they practice their faith in the same way as the broader American public, but it does suggest that faith and spirituality are not absent from the lives of scientific elites.

2.Most scientists made decisions about their spiritual lives before entering science. That means that those without any religious or spiritual commitments may have chosen science because of what they thought; science may not have caused their distance from spiritual practices.

3.Elite scientists who are not at all religious—despite being highly educated, and despite operating in high profile positions—are often very ignorant of even rudimentary aspects of various religious traditions. (Recently, the New York Times reported on the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life research project, which examined basic religious knowledge in the U.S. In the general population, atheists are more knowledgeable about religion than non-atheists. Perhaps atheists in the general population know more because they are more often exposed to other views, whereas scientists, who can be largely insulated from the public, are not exposed to those ideas.)

4.Scientists are often completely unaware of their colleagues' religious orientation because it is either not talked about at all (being deemed inappropriate within the halls of science) or disparaged, under the assumption that being a scientist means being an atheist or agnostic.

5.Scientists who reject God and religion have similar reasons as the general population: existence of evil and suffering, bad religion, bad personal experiences, and cognitive dissonance.

6.Younger scientists are more religious than older scientists—the inverse of the general population, where older people tend to be more religious than younger people.

These myths contribute to Ecklund's mission, which is to "uncover the complex truth about what scientists practice and believe as well as how they encounter and engage (or disengage from) religion in their lives, rather than cede the floor to the hotheads on both sides of this contentious issue."

Ecklund discovered that extreme positions on both sides of the traditional debate have informed the stereotypes we know so well: the atheist scientist who not only declines religion but actively opposes it in a hostile Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens way, and the fundamentalist with fingers in his ears denying direct evidence to protect a cherished belief.

Those at the extreme ends of the spectrum often are deeply ignorant of opposing positions and profoundly unable to communicate meaningfully. The cost of this extreme exchange includes loss of credibility—for both science and religion—as well as a tone in university departments and the media of mutual suspicion and hostility: hardly the conditions for an extended and meaningful exchange. This combative tone makes fruitful cultivation of the substantial middle spaces, where respectful collaboration could happen, much more difficult to carry out.

When scientists speak disparagingly of religion, they risk offending a vast majority of Americans who are either religious or spiritual. Many elite scientists' insularity makes them commit only to their (supposedly) non-religious colleagues. With their disdainful default responses to religious thought and practice, they fail to perceive how belittling religion—in the media or in classes in which public distributions of religious belief are represented by students—fuels animosity and ignorance. Science risks having its public funding reduced if the powerful voting public with religious convictions perceives science as not worthy of its trust.

It's clear the situation must be improved, since neither science nor religious belief show any sign of disappearing. Science is critical to the future of our collective lives and to the ongoing ability of our various civilizations to solve the problems that we face. At the same time, religion and spirituality are growing at unprecedented rates, including in the university, where Ecklund notes a flowering of activity on campuses across the country.

A long civil war of ideology means a loss of future scientific achievement, devalued human purpose, loss of meaning, and an incomplete pursuit of transcendence within the wider culture. Science needs religion, and religion needs science. Fostering genuine learning and dialogue will not mean that the scientific method gets co-opted by religion or that religion is reduced to testable proportions in a lab. Accepting only what can be verified scientifically (scientism) is a wholly inadequate and impossible way to live a life, according to most Americans. Similarly, rejecting all of science in favour of only religiously-derived knowledge will leave the American public open to the very real dangers of uncontrolled fundamentalism, superstition, and regressions of the worst kind.

Ecklund argues that believing scientists must be more courageous in speaking about how they reconcile science and their beliefs if they want conditions to change. Improvement in the way that science and religion relate will only happen through "boundary pioneers" who are both credible in their scientific community and understand enough about religion and spirituality to speak knowledgeably. The extremists have neither the credibility nor the experience with the "other side" to do this. Tellingly, when Ecklund asked scientists about the value of extremists like Richard Dawkins, a majority of those without religious commitments felt his approach has not helped the image of science among the public.

The stories of scientists that Ecklund weaves through her research convey the deep personal angst that scientists across the spectrum experience—either having to hide their beliefs, in the case of believing scientists, or live with fear and uncertainty, as some unbelieving scientists do, that religion will interfere with or suppress their scientific work.

There is indeed a very real clash of cultures born of different ideas, different ideologies, and different practices. While these variances are deep and persistent, Ecklund argues that the tone and nature of the exchange must change. Scientists need to understand far more about how people experience and practice religion and spirituality. They need to be much more skilled in translating what they do for public consumption. If religious scientists don't open up about their religious and spiritual experiences and convictions, colleagues will continue to assume (incorrectly) that these things are absent from their professional circles.

TOPICS: Religion; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: belief; gagdadbob; onecosmos; religion; science; scientists

1 posted on 01/29/2011 12:53:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The above article is a review of this book:

BOOK REVIEW: Ecklund, Elaine, Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think.
Oxford University Press, 2010.
240 pp. US$19.05

2 posted on 01/29/2011 12:56:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind


Creation Myths of the Tenured


I Ain’t Gonna Work on Darwin’s Farm No More: The Limits of a Limitless Science

Contrary to the claim that DNA is the secret of life, life remains the secret of DNA.... Microbiology has not found a quantitative answer to the question of free will. Brain research cannot answer the question, “What is that experience, called ‘now,’” which is at the very center of consciousness.... Nor is the universe as such an object for science. Scientists cannot go outside the universe in order to observe the whole of it. —Stanley Jaki


Google these titles:

Post-Biological Evolution and the Colonization of ...
When Narratives Attack
Painting With Sound, Playing With Color
Survival of the Luckiest
It’s a Mixed Up Muddled Up Shook Up World
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Give Us This Day Our Daily Slack, As We Cut Some S...
Within and Without the Godhead
Space and Time, Harmony and Melody

3 posted on 01/29/2011 1:12:10 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Matchett-PI

Thanks for this introduction to One Cosmos...

I don’t even remember what this thread was about after spending an hour over there reading.

4 posted on 01/29/2011 1:49:41 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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You’re welcome! :)

He has quite an unique perspective, doesn’t he? I read him every day.

5 posted on 01/29/2011 1:55:28 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do they have a Judeo/Christian view or is it something politically correct that won’t get them in trouble?

6 posted on 01/29/2011 1:59:11 PM PST by donna (Imagine...women who honor men enough not to tempt them.)
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To: Matchett-PI

You have given me a treasure.

I’m looking forward to mining the site.

I could become a fan.

The fulcrum of science and religion has long fascinated me.

7 posted on 01/29/2011 2:21:16 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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GREAT! Me too!

8 posted on 01/29/2011 2:50:42 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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His posts go back to October 2005

You’ll find that list -(which are hot links)- about mid-way down the right-hand side of the home page:

Listed from oldest to newest like this:

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9 posted on 01/29/2011 3:01:10 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Matchett-PI

Thanks for your great post. Also, your home page is a tour-de-force to take in. Great stuff.

10 posted on 01/29/2011 3:05:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thank you so much!

11 posted on 01/29/2011 3:12:30 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Matchett-PI
except when we artificially create life.

Anyway, of course an honest scientist would be in awe of the universe and would recognize a higher power in its design.

The younger generation is just honest and less arrogant than the boomers.

12 posted on 01/29/2011 3:21:23 PM PST by Porterville (Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.)
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To: Matchett-PI

I feel like a kid in a candy shop.

I’ve almost read all of Jan 2011.

Looks like many weeks of eye/intellect candy.

Once again, thanks for the introduction.

13 posted on 01/29/2011 5:00:22 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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