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Cop Shoots Dogs, Neighborhood Outraged
My Wabash Valley ^ | January 10, 2011 | Katie Shane

Posted on 01/31/2011 8:21:41 AM PST by Immerito

A Valley neighborhood is outraged after two dogs are shot and killed by local police.

The Shelburn Town Marshal says he was forced to shoot two dogs.

Officer Doug Inman says he was called to a field off Mill Street, where neighbors say a pack of dogs were fighting.

Inman tried to break-up the fight and even fired shots into the ground to scare the dogs.

When that didn't work he shot two mastiff puppies.

The family says he had no right to kill the dogs.

"I'm just glad it wasn't a child out being attacked by these two dogs," Inman said. "They are saying they were pups but you can go over and look at the dogs and see how large they are. They are probably between 75 and 100 pounds each and if that had been a child we would have a dead child out here."

"It makes me very sad, kids are supposed to be able to trust the police department and after seeing something like that, I don't know how they can," said dog owner Angie Waldon.

Neighbors say the two dogs had a history of being aggressive.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: angiewaldon; canine; canines; dog; doggieping; dogs; donutwatch; indiana; k9; mastiff; mastiffs
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"[T]hese where purchased at 5 weeks old march 2010. The news left out a lrage part of the story. We where told they only had 50 sec. to report the story. The neighbors are the ones that called for the news help. They where all angry this happened. This was also right behind an old folks home that many where upset. They would not let the others speak. We had our pups kept up all the time. There are strays all over this town and nothing is done. This small dog came over often and teased the pups. It would get just close enough they could not reach him. The dog drug up trash and tore it up in our yard. Today they broke a leather collar in half and a log chain that was still around the females neck when he shot her."

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"We heard the gun shots in the back yard and ran out. He had shot them both. He left one laying alive, let my children watch him gasping for air and bleediing from the head. He let this go on for twenty min. and then came back to finish the job in front of the kids. Is that animal cruelty??"

*** "Why was these pups shot at the edge of their yard and the stray that runs lose was not? Does this make sence? These pups grew up with a five and a ten year old. The statement about the kids is bull. It was to make himself look good when he foud out they where not pits..."

1 posted on 01/31/2011 8:21:43 AM PST by Immerito
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To: Immerito

I have two large aggressive breed dogs. They can be menacing to strangers.

If there is one thing these FR stories have done, it is to make me aware it is not a good thing to call police to my home. All I have to do is get the wrong cop.


2 posted on 01/31/2011 8:27:04 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Immerito

Sadly there’s a lesson here, and that is when you call the police you are giving up ALL control of the outcome. They are going to arrive and do what they think is necessary, both to solve problem and to protect themselves. They bring with them a myriad of attitudes, notions, fears, etc. Know when you call them that you have surrendered all input into how the situation turns out. Perhaps the situation is dire enough to warrant this, but YOU and YOU alone make that decision.

Think before you dial 9-1-1. At that point you become just another factor in the situation. Know up front that the fact you made the call means you have given up on solving the problem yourself and you have little, if any, input on how it ends up being handled. That’s not always bad, but it’s the way things are.


3 posted on 01/31/2011 8:28:49 AM PST by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: Immerito

Oh goodie.

Another “All cops are bad - they murder innocent doggies” thread.


4 posted on 01/31/2011 8:29:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: I still care

“I have two large aggressive breed dogs. They can be menacing to strangers.”

And, no doubt, any stray dog that would enter your property to mark it as his own.

Dogs are like conservatives-—they don’t take kindly to squatters on their land. :-)


5 posted on 01/31/2011 8:30:11 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain why it was the mastiffs, who were defending their territory, and not the antagonizing stray that was shot?

Or you would be so kind as to explain why animal control was not called to separate the dogs?


6 posted on 01/31/2011 8:31:26 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
I ran into an on duty cop while shopping at petsmart the other day. He was loading up on dogfood and treats. I took the opportunity to say hello, and to politely ask him why it is that cops seem to shoot dogs when given an opportunity?

He explained that he had some very strong feelings about the issue, and that he is obligated by department policy to not give comment on such matters. He then followed up with the comment that in any business privaate or public, 20% of the employees have no business being employed there. His way of commenting without commenting.

7 posted on 01/31/2011 8:32:59 AM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog

He sounds like one of the Good Cops.

We need more like him.

But certainly the police department isn’t the only place where some people employed therein don’t belong (by reasons of personality, aptitude, etc.)

Regards,


8 posted on 01/31/2011 8:34:21 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

I truly believe there are cops who have worked for years without having the opportunity to fire their weapons so when they finally get a chance to shoot a dog they can’t control themselves. They just have to know what it feels like to kill something.

But if a dog came into my yard and threatened me or my dogs and I shot it I’d be arrested. Or shot by a cop who’s never had the opportunity to kill anything before.


9 posted on 01/31/2011 8:34:37 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No kidding.


10 posted on 01/31/2011 8:34:57 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Immerito
Canine crowd and fight control = a big bucket of ice cold water

11 posted on 01/31/2011 8:35:57 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Immerito

It’s a good thing this gun happy cop killed the fighting dogs. They might have hurt themselves.


12 posted on 01/31/2011 8:38:41 AM PST by 4yearlurker (I can't afford anymore hope and change!!!!)
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To: jwparkerjr
They are going to arrive and do what they think is necessary, both to solve problem and to protect themselves.

My version: They are going to arrive and do what they think is necessary to protect themselves.

13 posted on 01/31/2011 8:39:24 AM PST by TankerKC (Part of the Soros funded Blog Police.)
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To: Immerito
Which is why he said that in any business private or public. He was very careful in his words.

He was a very nice guy, yet remained quite professional. He was buying food for his dalmation. And a squeeky toy.

14 posted on 01/31/2011 8:39:50 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Immerito
Stray dogs wandering in packs are a danger to the community. Unfortunately, many folks don't realize that pets, beloved and trusted as they are, will join a pack in a heartbeat. This is a problem in semi-rural places where uninformed folks turn their dogs out at night, or keep them in fenced yards, from which they can escape.

We have had the problem around here, with dog packs running sheep and other farm animals, moose and deer. They have also attacked children and hikers, so this is far from a remote possibility. The larger breeds also X-breed with coyotes and wolves. The carnage left behind can be awful.

In Alaska and other less sentimental places, a loose dog is a dead dog, particularly in winter. Sorry. I love my dogs, too. But a loose 100lb dog running in a pack with others is a dangerous wild animal.

15 posted on 01/31/2011 8:40:01 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. It cannot survive those who vote for him)
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To: Hulka

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain why it was the mastiffs, who were defending their territory, and not the antagonizing stray that was shot?

Or you would be so kind as to explain why animal control was not called to separate the dogs?


16 posted on 01/31/2011 8:40:01 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Kenny Bunk

There is no evidence that the two mastiffs had joined a pack of strays; these mastiffs were defending their property FROM a stray that was establishing that their yard was *his* territory.


17 posted on 01/31/2011 8:41:42 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

Or you would be so kind as to explain why animal control was not called to separate the dogs?

_____________________________________________________

Oh yes. By all means - call animal control. They might show up - by next Thursday.


18 posted on 01/31/2011 8:42:21 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: TankerKC
Self preservation is built-in to most of us, police or not. All the more reason to be careful if you decide to call the police.
19 posted on 01/31/2011 8:44:53 AM PST by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why did the cops shoot the mastiffs and not the stray that antagonized them?

Why did the crime of defending their owner’s property merit their execution?


20 posted on 01/31/2011 8:47:40 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: I still care

Sadly, these days, it is best to operate under the assumption that there are very few situations that can’t be made worse by the addition of a cop.


21 posted on 01/31/2011 8:48:40 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jwparkerjr

Well said.


22 posted on 01/31/2011 8:52:37 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Another “All cops are bad - they murder innocent doggies” thread.
Right on. The number of cop haters on FR is amazing.
23 posted on 01/31/2011 8:55:25 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Terry Mross

What if the “warning shots” the cop fired ricocheted and struck a residence? Or hit a bystander?


24 posted on 01/31/2011 8:56:12 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: oh8eleven

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain why it was the mastiffs, who were defending their territory, and not the antagonizing stray that was shot?

Or you would be so kind as to explain why animal control was not called to separate the dogs?


25 posted on 01/31/2011 9:00:48 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

I am having trouble understanding why the officer thought shooting the dogs was necessary or helpful.

Obviously, we want the fight to stop, but wouldn’t it be less dangerous to the dogs to let them fight than to shoot them to death? Was he trying to protect a particular dog or dogs that he thought were being attakced by the ones he shot? Were humans in danger? The article does not indicate this.

The comments posted here actually make the cop’s actions seem slightly more understandable and make me think the irresponsibility of the Mastiff’s owners (who apparently posted them) may have contributed to this sad outcome.

a) 1 year old Mastiffs, while not fully mature, are not “pups” in the sense of cute, harmless little dogs. They are huge at that age, and should be treated as potentially dangerous dogs by their owners, though well trained Mastiff’s are not super aggressive.

b) From the comments, it seems like they had the Mastiff’s tied up outside, in an unfenced yard, and knew that at least one other dog was coming into the yard to tease them. You don’t leave dogs (especially large ones) chained up outside, especially in unfenced yards. This leads to aggression and terrioriality in the dogs and is illegal in many jurisdictions.

It sounds like the cop went way overboard and his actions should be investigated, but the owners seem to have created the dangerous situation.


26 posted on 01/31/2011 9:01:45 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Immerito
Okay., He should have shot them all, then.

How large were the animals? Out of control raging 200-lb dogs?

Animal control? Right. . .maybe sometime that week they may show up.

Look, I get it: To you every police officer is wrong every time a dog gets shot. Got it. The police are never right. Got it. And of course, to you every media report is completely honest and unbiased when they report on shootings by the police. Got it.

I'm done. Buh-bye.

27 posted on 01/31/2011 9:01:51 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Immerito

“I’m just glad it wasn’t a child out being attacked by these two dogs,” Inman said. “They are saying they were pups but you can go over and look at the dogs and see how large they are. They are probably between 75 and 100 pounds each and if that had been a child we would have a dead child out here.”

What kind of stupidity is this? We had to shoot the dog because if they had been attacking children it would have been bad? By that logic, if a man is walking down the street and a cop drives up and shoots him, he could justify it by saying, if that guy had been on the way to setting fire to an orphanage, it would have been bad.


28 posted on 01/31/2011 9:01:56 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: I still care

So you know that your two dog are aggressive, but yet you keep them around.

Like a time bomb.

I suppose in this instance the cop could have stood back and let these animals keep fighting until they killed each other, but he would have been criticised for that ,if he had.

When you have aggressive animals you must keep them away from the public or else they get what they deserve


29 posted on 01/31/2011 9:02:27 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Immerito

Ha ha, It takes half an hour to get a police officer in my neighb orhood, It takes a day to get an animal warden.


30 posted on 01/31/2011 9:04:20 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Immerito

I’m not kind, believe me.


31 posted on 01/31/2011 9:05:08 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

>> Right on. The number of cop haters on FR is amazing.

Indeed, it is.

SnakeDoc


32 posted on 01/31/2011 9:05:36 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: I still care

If you’re calling the cops to your house, put the dogs in another room or garage and let the cops know that you have the dogs and where they are. It’s not that hard to figure out.


33 posted on 01/31/2011 9:05:41 AM PST by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Venturer

“let these animals keep fighting until they killed each other”

Most dogs do NOT fight to the death; they have long inbred instincts that keep them from stopping short of killing another dog.

The fact that those mastiffs had not killed the smaller stray in the time from the beginning of the fight to the arrival of the police highlights that these dogs were not looking to kill the stray, just to establish dominance and make it explicitly clear that the stray was not to bother them again.


34 posted on 01/31/2011 9:06:45 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Blue Jays

You know it, stops the fight right now.


35 posted on 01/31/2011 9:06:45 AM PST by Ladysmith ("A community organizer can't bitch when communities organize." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Immerito
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2665987/posts

Story says that the animals were in a field, not in a fenced area. And yes, the cop should have shot the stray. Are you from this area? Are wild dogs (aka "strays") a problem? Is this owner a responsible person?

36 posted on 01/31/2011 9:07:00 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. It cannot survive those who vote for him)
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To: Immerito

I am getting the feeling that police in America are increasingly becoming more paranoid and overly reactive.

After watching what the Egyptian police have been doing in times of unrest I can only vaguely wonder what they would do here in America should we have a similar national unrest.


37 posted on 01/31/2011 9:07:54 AM PST by Eye of Unk (What is YOUR snipe hunt?)
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To: Hulka

“Look, I get it: To you every police officer is wrong every time a dog gets shot. Got it. The police are never right. Got it. “

Wrong. You are inventing positions for me and your fellow Freepers. Had you read the article and the thread, you would know this claim to be patently false.

Would you advocate that police shoot both the intruder and the homeowners fighting him were this a case about people?


38 posted on 01/31/2011 9:09:05 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2665987/posts

Story says that the animals were in a field, not in a fenced area. And yes, the cop should have shot the stray. Are you from this area? Are wild dogs (aka "strays") a problem? Is this owner a responsible person?

The mastiffs were apparently chained to a log, i.e., no fence. doesn't sound like a smart idea to me. Chaining up dogs is illegal around here.

39 posted on 01/31/2011 9:11:29 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. It cannot survive those who vote for him)
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To: Kenny Bunk

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2665987/posts

That article does not discuss the same story. That incident occurred in Arizona. This incident occurred in Indiana.

Story says that the animals were in a field, not in a fenced area.

The fighting dogs were found in a field apparently adjacent to the owner’s property. Likely the stray, realizing that the dogs were about to give him a righteous chewing, attempted to flee and the mastiffs pursued and caught him.

And yes, the cop should have shot the stray.

We are agreed on that score. The fact that a collar and part of a chain was on the female mastiff should indicate to any observer that these were owned animals that had broken loose.

Are you from this area?

I have never lived in Indiana.

Are wild dogs (aka “strays”) a problem?

In my opinion, strays are a problem no matter where a Freeper lives.

Is this owner a responsible person?

Since the owner had restrained the dogs (which pulled loose with justifiable provocation, that would indicate that the owner was concerned with keeping her dogs under control; unless further evidence turns up to indicate irresponsibility, I think we can safely assume a responsible owner.


40 posted on 01/31/2011 9:14:38 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: I still care

At my home there is ONE rule.
Do not be responsible for the cops coming here.

How’d you break your fingers?


41 posted on 01/31/2011 9:18:04 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Kenny Bunk

The mastiffs were apparently chained to a log, i.e., no fence. doesn’t sound like a smart idea to me. Chaining up dogs is illegal around here.

Not all cities or towns or neighborhoods will permit residents to put up fences. I do not know if fences were permitted in her area, or if she simply did not like or want a fence or could not afford one.

I could not find any statute that indicates chaining up the dogs was illegal in Indiana. I would imagine that given the evidence of a chain attached to a collar around the female’s neck, the owner would have been cited if she had broken the law in that regard.

http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusinst15_2_1_6_1.htm


42 posted on 01/31/2011 9:19:21 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
When that didn't work he shot two mastiff puppies.

My best childhood friend's family are Mastiff breeders. These dogs took so much abuse from us kids, playing rough with them and so on yet the worst that happened to us was being licked and slobbered to death.



43 posted on 01/31/2011 9:20:05 AM PST by Allthegoodusernamesaregone (Here I come to save the day! - Barack Obama, Jan. 14th 2011)
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To: oh8eleven

“cop haters”

“Where government fears the people, you have freedom;
Where the people fear the government, you have tyranny.”
Some dead guy


44 posted on 01/31/2011 9:27:54 AM PST by tumblindice (One million Egyptians marched into a restaurant and ordered cous cous and camel eyeballs. The waiter)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Cogent response Kenny. I was chief in a small town 1/10th the size of the town I retired from. We had more dog calls in a month than my former agency had in a year. Small towns let their dogs run loose and think nothing of it. I bought those nooses on poles so we could snag them instead of shooting them. Most dogs comply pretty quick when they get snagged. This worked where I was at because of the size of agency and we didn’t have all the electronic stuff in the trunk.


45 posted on 01/31/2011 9:36:45 AM PST by midcop402
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To: Immerito
Since the owner had restrained the dogs (which pulled loose with justifiable provocation, that would indicate that the owner was concerned with keeping her dogs under control; unless further evidence turns up to indicate irresponsibility, I think we can safely assume a responsible owner.

Should one of my miscreant hounds ever require an attorney, you counselor, are it!

Said mastiffs were neither on the owner's property, or under the owner's control. Therefore counselor, the owners and not the dogs, were in violation of, I am reasonably sure, several local ordinances and state laws. Although since your assiduous research has turned up scant statutory evidence, the Wabash Valley in Indiana may well be a lawless frontier region.

Although it is certainly an intriguing legal concept, the owners have no right in law to permit their mastiffs to give a "righteous chewing" to any dog, stray or not. Of course a plea of "self-defense" might be entered. You have offered a "guilty with explanation," sort of plea here on behalf your canine clients.

Get back to the humans. The owners of the maligned mastiffs will no doubt bring suit, citing emotional distress, property damage, and irreparable psychological harm to the children who witnessed the horrible scene. They have a sort of half-fast case. Should be interesting. Of course, the stray will have to be subpoenaed as a witness.

46 posted on 01/31/2011 9:54:17 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. It cannot survive those who vote for him)
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47 posted on 01/31/2011 9:58:54 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Immerito

Your last sentence makes no sense, no one advocated what you wrote...stick to the point and not your fantasy’s about “What if”


48 posted on 01/31/2011 10:15:28 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Joe Boucher

Airbags in a car accident. They broke/jammed my knuckles, on a permanent basis.

I have to retype everything at least four times.


49 posted on 01/31/2011 10:17:08 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: jwparkerjr

Years ago my husband had a bad medication reaction, where he became disoriented and belligerant, and I called 911 for an ambulance.

One of the worst mistakes I ever made. He ended up in jail and I ended up having to deal with Children& Families. I got him out that afternoon, and he was in the hospital for weeks because he didn’t get prompt medical care. Plus a lawyer, dealing with the state over prosecution, and of course DCF down my neck for a over a year.

Never call 911 unless you have to.


50 posted on 01/31/2011 10:22:17 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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