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The Dark-Sky Movement
Buzz Log ^ | January 31, 2011 | Mike Krumboltz

Posted on 01/31/2011 9:15:12 PM PST by americanophile

Stargazers now have their Graceland. The Channel Island of Sark, located 80 miles south of England, has been designated as the world's first dark-sky island.

Dark-sky communities are places with very little to no light pollution. As a result, the stars are far easier to see and more fun to look at. According to a buzzy article from SPACE.com, Sark is just 4.5 square miles and has "no public street lighting, no paved roads, and no cars." In other words, save for the occasional flashlight or matchstick, there aren't a lot of things to interfere with the nighttime display, which includes "meteors streaking overhead and countless stars on display."

The International Dark-Sky Association (IDA) makes the call on whether or not a community deserves to join their movement. And plenty would like to. The Burlington Free Press explains that dark-sky legislation "has been embraced by about 300 countries, cities, and towns." At first this might sound like something only nature enthusiasts would really care about, that's not so. The United States military is also getting behind the legislation. Too much light can interfere with drills at military bases.

And while they don't exactly get a say in the matter, it's worth noting that creatures big and small would likely also be in favor of more dark-sky rules. Again, according to the Burlington Free Press, there is evidence that "nighttime lights disturb animals and ecosystems."

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A clear dark night sky with only the shining stars is a wonder to behold. There should be places you can go to still see it.
1 posted on 01/31/2011 9:15:15 PM PST by americanophile
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To: americanophile

It was a sark and dormy night...


2 posted on 01/31/2011 9:18:11 PM PST by rfp1234 (Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' badgers!)
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To: americanophile
I think ALL of North Korea qualifies...


3 posted on 01/31/2011 9:25:05 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: rfp1234

...not bad


4 posted on 01/31/2011 9:25:40 PM PST by americanophile ("The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon." - George Washington)
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To: AnalogReigns

Well, we have the option to turn them on...


5 posted on 01/31/2011 9:26:14 PM PST by americanophile ("The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon." - George Washington)
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To: americanophile
Parachute flares. That'll fix the problem.

/johnny

6 posted on 01/31/2011 9:28:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: americanophile
There are plenty of places, right here in the good ol' USA, where there are "dark skies". Most of my beloved, adopted home state of Idaho is very dark at night, with more visible stars than anyone who's never been here would believe. Same goes for Northern Arizona/Southern Utah. Hell, you can even go find a nice, big cornfield in Central Illinois and see what seems like billions of stars. Those are just examples I know of firsthand.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

7 posted on 01/31/2011 9:32:22 PM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: americanophile

Shouldn’t need legislation for a dark sky. It’s a ridiculous concept.


8 posted on 01/31/2011 9:33:52 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thanks a lot. Now here comes another Obama “idea”. The EPA will designate light as a “pollutant” and institute a “photon tax” to make us more like our North Korean brothers.


9 posted on 01/31/2011 9:41:15 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: americanophile

I agree with you.


10 posted on 01/31/2011 9:42:42 PM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: rfp1234

Post of the night!!


11 posted on 01/31/2011 9:43:06 PM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: wastedyears
I used to spend nights in the southern Arizona desert, with a range of mountains blocking light from the nearest city. Nothing ridiculous about it. Try it sometime.
12 posted on 01/31/2011 9:44:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wku man
I read an article about Cherry Springs State Park in north central Pennsylvania a few years ago, but I've never visited there yet, as I hope someday to do.
13 posted on 01/31/2011 9:45:03 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: wku man

Central Illinois?
No.


14 posted on 01/31/2011 10:20:10 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: americanophile

Be careful what you wish for.

Our house burned down two years ago and after fighting the insurance company for a year, I started rebuilding about a year ago.

The Town has started enforcing “dark sky” rules, which means that the only outdoor light fixtures allowed are both extraordinarily ugly, and outrageously expensive.

The regulations make no sense at all since we are adjacent to a larger city which has numerous all-night business, complete with outdoor neon signs.


15 posted on 01/31/2011 10:22:19 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: americanophile

The dark sky movement was invented by Stalinists to bring communism to America.

Dark sky towns are targets for criminals and gangs who can easily break into businesses and homes under cover of the Stalinist ‘dark sky’ movement.

Property owners cannot light their own back yards, the dark sky Stalinists will use the force of government to fine them if their lights are too bright, or soon,if they are incandescent.

Dark sky streets and highways are lit with useless ‘energy saving’ bulbs that don’t produce enough light for it to illuminate the pavement directly under ‘dark sky’ light fixtures.

Dark sky footpath lights and business lights that droop and point down, also have the same outcome. Not enough light to light the pavement, and the amber dull color isn’t good enough light to perform any task outside.

That’s the dark sky movement. Its not some romantic or nostalgic idea, it has its purpose just like any soviet inspired social engineering scheme.


16 posted on 01/31/2011 10:26:24 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: americanophile

Isn’t that Obama’s energy plan?


17 posted on 01/31/2011 10:27:39 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: haroldeveryman

Its not an Obama idea, its been happening for at least 10 years. Many towns and cities whose corrupt elected officials attend ICLEI conferences bring back those Stalinist ideas and force them on citizens who don’t understand the origin of these things. California went dark under Schwarzenegger, the Austrian socialist governor.


18 posted on 01/31/2011 10:29:41 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: CurlyDave

Your elected officials must have been influenced by ICLEI.


19 posted on 01/31/2011 10:31:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Gezzz, either your post is the most hysterically ignorant post of the past year, or the funniest sarcastic post in the past 3 weeks...


20 posted on 01/31/2011 10:33:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! The Stalinists pull the Alinsky method, right out of the box.

Did you read Curly Dave’s post?


21 posted on 01/31/2011 10:38:30 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
California went dark under Schwarzenegger, the Austrian socialist governor.

You clearly have never seen Los Angeles on approach from 8,000 feet...

Hard to believe your bizarre ignorant comments here...

22 posted on 01/31/2011 10:38:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: hedgetrimmer

No, but I’ve read your stupid a$$ comments...Your spin here is speeding up the rotation of the planet, please stop...


23 posted on 01/31/2011 10:40:39 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Are you on crack? No, seriously... Are you on crack? That has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. You would actually seem smarter if you admitted to smoking crack before you posted that.

The “dark skies” movement has nothing to do with Obama, Stalin, or any other boogeyman you’ve got running around in your skull. It’s about reducing stray light in the night sky; nothing more and nothing less.


24 posted on 01/31/2011 10:42:03 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Post #16. Precisely correct. The entire “dark sky” concept is something that Stalinists promote solely in modern, Western nations...to bring them down a peg.


25 posted on 01/31/2011 10:42:15 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Redcloak
Are you on crack? No, seriously... Are you on crack? That has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.

LOL! My thoughts...

26 posted on 01/31/2011 10:43:43 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Alinsky.


27 posted on 01/31/2011 10:46:57 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Redcloak

Alinsky II


28 posted on 01/31/2011 10:48:20 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Southack; Redcloak
The dark sky movement was invented by Stalinists to bring communism to America.

<Post #16. Precisely correct. The entire “dark sky” concept is something that Stalinists promote solely in modern, Western nations

You buying into #16 makes you a frightening fruitcake too...

I'm getting the monkey moving feeling again...

((((It's a mad house)))

29 posted on 01/31/2011 10:50:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Is that the name of your crack dealer?

And on a related matter: The darkest spot in America has been located. It can be found approximately 8cm behind hedgetrimmer’s eyes.


30 posted on 01/31/2011 10:51:41 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Southack

You and your buddy ought to check yourselves into a rubber room...

No joke...


31 posted on 01/31/2011 10:52:52 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“...In 1919 an Italian socialist named Antonio Gramsci began to publish a newspaper in Milan called, L’Ordine Nuovo, or “The New Order.” Loosely rendered, he concluded that the average person would never voluntarily reject the faith and culture of the West. He concluded that the best way to implement a collectivist government was to use an intellectual elite to destroy traditional values by attacking fundamental Jewish and Christian beliefs.”

Antonio Gramsci, 1891-1937

...A. The New Order (L’Ordine Nuovo)
......1. Italian Communist newspaper, founded 1919
......2. Co-founder of Italian Communist Party, 1921
......3. Pre-Prison Writings, ed. Richard Bellamy (Cambridge, 1994)
......4. Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Intl. Publishers, 1971)

...B. Lenin was wrong, and the Leninist revolution will fail
......1. The workers will see the revolutionary government as a new boss
......2. When the revolution fails, the west will re-import Capitalism

...C. Gradual revolution through infiltration & subversion by revolutionaries
......1. Infiltrate the State: elective & appointed office; judgeships
......2. Infiltrate the military: enlist & subvert from within
......3. Infiltrate justice: undermine and discredit state constitutions
......4. Infiltrate education: professors & administrators
......5. Infiltrate & discredit religion: scoundrels as clergymen
......6. Register, then license, then confiscate all privately held weapons

...D. Form or infiltrate international organizations to promote goals such as “global understanding,” “economic development,” “transfer of resources”

...E. Both Capitalism and Judaeo-Christian culture must be destroyed before a Communist revolution can succeed
......1. Religious sentiment cannot be destroyed through legislation, as Lenin believed, but must be redirected from the divine to the state
.........a. Terror will only drive Religion underground
.........b. Religion will then reemerge when Leninism fails
.........c. So Religion must be destroyed in the minds of men
......2. Infiltrate religious academies and become priests and clergymen
.........a. Subtly promote heresy within religious organizations
.........b. Infiltrators must act so as to discredit the church
............(1) Cause financial and sexual scandals
............(2) See that this is given a high profile in the news
............(3) Like-minded infiltrators in the media will cooperate
......3. Once religion is discredited from within, continuously promote the idea that only the state can solve the problems that have been traditionally brought before the church
...F. When propagating revolutionary ideas, cloak them in polite terms
......1. National Consensus
......2. Popular Mandate
......3. National Pacification
......4. Pluralism
......5. Global Community
......6. Economic Justice
......7. Economic Democracy
......8. Liberation Theology
......9. Direct Action
...G. Marxists “must enter into every civil, cultural, and political activity in every nation, leavening them as yeast leavens bread.”


32 posted on 01/31/2011 10:54:01 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Ohhhh man....This is anti-Jewish too huh?

whoaaa...

(((It’s a mad house)))


33 posted on 01/31/2011 10:55:58 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
On December 18, 2007, the Village Board passed an ordinance regulating outdoor lighting. For more information, please contact Village Hall.

The Village was honored on March 26, 2008 by Lt. Governor Pat Quinn for our Lighting Ordinance.

During the Earth Hour celebration on Saturday, March 28, 2009, Homer Glen Mayor Jim Daley presented Representative Judy Biggert with a copy of the Homer Glen Lighting Ordinance, encouraging her to "spread it around the world." Homer Glen’s efforts to bring awareness to light pollution has attracted national attention. The concept to “not use light that you don’t need and shine the light you need, where you need it” is an instrumental part of the ordinance. Mayor Daley noted that the night sky is a natural resource that Home Glen is dedicated to preserving.


34 posted on 01/31/2011 10:55:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Redcloak
Is that the name of your crack dealer?

I thought I'd seen and read everything on FR...Now this... It just don't get anymore hysterical...

35 posted on 01/31/2011 10:58:27 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2


And the communist inspired movement that brought the United States "earth hour"

Earth Hour 2010: On March 27, 2010 at 8:30 pm, millions of people around the world will come together once again to make a bold statement about their concern for climate change by doing something quite simple—turning off their lights for one hour. Earth Hour symbolizes that, by working together, each of us can make a positive impact in the fight against climate change. In March 2009, during the International Year of Astronomy, more than 4100 cities in 87 countries and over 1 billion people around the world turned off their lights for Earth Hour to demonstrate their commitment to slowing the effects of climate change. Let’s exceed these numbers this year! For more information on Earth Hour, see www.earthhour.org http://www.earthhour.org .
36 posted on 01/31/2011 10:59:03 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: americanophile
I still remember the first time I really saw stars in a dark sky. We were in Texas outside of Amarillo at an outdoor play. I looked up during the intermission and couldn't believe my eyes. Growing up in L.A., I had never seen so many stars. I remember seeing Corona Borealis overhead. That constellation is almost invisible anywhere near L.A..
37 posted on 01/31/2011 10:59:14 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: dragnet2

The International Dark Sky Week: From April 4 through April 10, 2010, the International Dark Sky Week celebrates the heritage of the nighttime sky by also encouraging people to turn out unnecessary lights. The event began in 2003 as National Dark-Sky Week in the United States and officially became international in 2009, during the International Year of Astronomy. The key to success is participation.

To participate International Dark Sky Week this year, here are some suggestions:

* Turn out your outdoor lights during the week whenever safe to do so.
* Light only when and where needed.
* Encourage friends and neighbors to do the same.
* Change out lights to something more energy efficient and shielded if possible.
* Find out if there are any star parties or events at a local observatory during the week to promote dark skies awareness.

For more information on the International Dark Sky Week, visit www.darkskiesawareness.org/idsw.php http://www.darkskiesawareness.org/idsw.php .


38 posted on 01/31/2011 10:59:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Southack

I’m not seeing “promote fanatical devotion to astronomy” on the list.


39 posted on 01/31/2011 11:01:57 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: dragnet2

It does make one wonder just how much light pollution is caused by glowing crack pipes!


40 posted on 01/31/2011 11:03:11 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: wku man

“There are plenty of places, right here in the good ol’ USA, where there are “dark skies”.”

When much younger and in my “mountain woman” phase of life, I moved for a year up into the foothills above Boulder, CO. It was a small town (emphasis on word small) called Ward. I lived in a pretty log cabin w/my two dogs right on Boulder Creek. You had to walk across a wooden footbridge to get to my cabin. It was a wonderful place to live, and incredibly beautiful. At night when you went outside, the stars were like low hanging fruit. They were multitudinous, and so bright they sparkled like Swarovski crystals. If you reached your hands up you could almost touch them. There were a few times when the sky seemed to hang so low that it was almost oppressive, and I’d start to feel slightly claustrophobic.

I have always loved stargazing, and will fondly remember my year up there in the mountains for the magnificent light shows I was privileged to see. I wish everyone could have the same experience at least once in life.


41 posted on 01/31/2011 11:03:48 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Redcloak

The watermelons aren’t promoting “astronomy,” instead, they are promoting anything that tears down the West’s technology and order and finances.

This is why they promte random welded-together pieces of scrap metal as “art” when in reality it is merely junk that will be discarded with malice by future generations.

It is why they promote tearing down hydro-electric dams in the name of “fish” when the reality is that they want less power to be available to the West, and for power to cost the West more.

And yes, it is why they promote dark skies for “astronomy” when their real purpose is to increase crime and decrease the civilizing aspects of outdoor lighting in the West.

These ideas above, all of them, are specifically *not* promoted in non-Western nations.

Not in China. Not in Africa. Not in India.

They promote such ideas in the West solely to tear us down.


42 posted on 01/31/2011 11:08:33 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Redcloak
This is my scope, which I have to use special filters due to the fact there is so much artificial light flooding the atmosphere above CA, it completely washes out the night sky for human eyes, and for imaging.

Shot this recently, using CLS filters...

M27 Planetely Nebula, about 1360 light years from earth. It's basically a star, where it's outer shell blew off....

M27 Taken 9/4/2010 19x135second ISO 800 Total exposure 42 minutes 45 seconds, 6.3focal reducer--Canon 40D

I guess this makes me a Communist and socialist ..

43 posted on 01/31/2011 11:11:28 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: hedgetrimmer
OK,Mr. Conspiracy Nut,please explain just what good it does to pump megawatts of expensive light into the sky rather than direct the light onto the ground.

Further why should your paranoia that demands floodlighting your property be allowed to include floodlighting MY property?

Maybe we should call those lights you need, "INSECURITY" lights.

And I don't care for the amber lights either nor the anemic LED /solar road lights;much better would be white lights that simply shine on the sidewalks,lots or whatever and neither into the sky nor blind those who wish to enjoy a view of the sky from their property.

I travel a major highway lit from ONE side by blazing lamps angled about 45 degrees in a vain attempt to light 5 lanes ! They shine in one's eyes and over the neighboring hillside;I bet a fourth of their light actually falls on the road! But the old lights on both sides did a much better job.

44 posted on 01/31/2011 11:12:04 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Southack

What does Gramsci have to do with the subject matter here, I think is what people are having trouble with.


45 posted on 01/31/2011 11:13:09 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Southack

Let me rephrase my earlier comment: Where is “promote an expensive hobby that can only be enjoyed by citizens of an affluent, capitalist nation” on the list?


46 posted on 01/31/2011 11:13:27 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: truthfreedom

Answered in Post #42.


47 posted on 01/31/2011 11:15:19 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Redcloak
SEQUIM — For three years running, he's tried to make city leaders see the light. And though it's too early to call Pat Clark victorious, he feels neither defeated nor frustrated. Clark, 59, a retired Teamsters Union negotiator, has been urging the Sequim City Council to adopt a "dark skies" resolution that, to his mind, could save the moon, the stars — and people's privacy and health. On Monday, some 37 months after Clark first addressed the Sequim City Council on the problem of light pollution, he gave the members a new 40-page report on the topic — and basked in the mild glow of city planner Joe Irvin's draft of a resolution that could help bring back black.

"It's a lot to read, I know, so take your time," Clark wrote on his report's cover sheet.

"It took time to lose the night sky, and it will take some time to take it back."

Another Obama style community organizer!
48 posted on 01/31/2011 11:18:57 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dragnet2

Nice!

While we’re on the subject of hobbies only available to decadent Capitalists, I have a question for you: How well to the batteries hold up in digital cameras like yours when taking astrophotos? Years ago, I remember looking for a 35mm SLR with a mirror hold-up lever to avoid draining the battery during long exposures.


49 posted on 01/31/2011 11:19:33 PM PST by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Redcloak
The light dome over Los Angeles extends about 300 miles in every direction...So much light, our night sky's have been all but destroyed or washed away...Even dark sky areas of our country are being effected dramatically..

All people are asking if that they use thoughtful common sense lighting fixtures, that direct the light down where it's needed, instead of up into the atmosphere.

These people here making this out to be some kind of Communist conspiracy, are freaking crazy.

50 posted on 01/31/2011 11:21:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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