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ATF has effectively banned import of Saiga shotguns (vanity post)
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Posted on 02/02/2011 6:02:36 AM PST by nin_kasi

This is related to a previous post From January 30th. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2666031/posts

I have a type 07 FFL (manufacturing and dealer), and one of the hottest selling items lately has been converted Saiga 12 shotguns. Due to a recent "study", Russian American Arms is no longer importing Saiga shotguns (according to my distributors). We have three distributors who deal directly with RAA, they're all on hold pending the outcome of the ATF paper recently released. ATF is accepting "comments" through May 1st, but the distributors are already pulling the product line. According to Ellet Brothers and RSR group, they're prepared to even remove the inventory tags from their databases. I'm hoping the distributors are overreacting, that nothing has been actually banned yet, and that merely high demand has cleaned them out, but no one knows for sure. Even other dealers have been responding to rumors going around.

A quick reminder, Saigas are essentially built on AK platforms, but made to conform to all "assault weapons ban" forms such as no pistol grip, low capacity magazine, no bayonet lug. These are often converted once in the US to include pistol grips, better triggers, and the like.

The ATF paper is linked below. http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antifreedom; antigun; antigunners; assaultweaponban; atf; awb; awb2; banglist; batfe; cw2; ftroop; guncontrol; gungrabbers; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; unconstitutional; vanity
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1 posted on 02/02/2011 6:02:39 AM PST by nin_kasi
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To: nin_kasi; Joe Brower; Travis McGee
Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns
2 posted on 02/02/2011 6:05:21 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: nin_kasi

I’m a 07/02 SOT.....there is talk in the NFA Tech Branch that higher command wants to put the SAIGA in the Destructive Device category same as the Streetsweeper and USAS 12.


3 posted on 02/02/2011 6:11:03 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: DCBryan1

Another un-Constitutional F-Troop Rule Of The Day.


4 posted on 02/02/2011 6:11:46 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: nin_kasi

Buy American :)


5 posted on 02/02/2011 6:19:42 AM PST by onona (I've played)
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To: nin_kasi

Wow.

I looked through all that document. I kept seeing the words “sporting purpose”.

Funny how that word doesn’t appear in the Constitution. In fact, it clearly says, “shall not be infringed”, which seems to PROHIBIT the very acts that the ATF is now undertaking.

Hmm. Strange. Wonder what part of “shall not be infringed” they don’t get?


6 posted on 02/02/2011 6:24:23 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: nin_kasi

I guess the new Kel Tec shotgun well be a hot seller with people would want this type of weapon.

Give me a good 870 any day.


7 posted on 02/02/2011 6:32:32 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: nin_kasi

Daymn.
I knew this would happen
I have been looking for a saiga 20 for a long time.


8 posted on 02/02/2011 6:38:51 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: riverrunner

The new kel tec will probably never see the light of day now.


9 posted on 02/02/2011 6:40:15 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: nin_kasi

http://www.mdarms.com/


10 posted on 02/02/2011 6:42:12 AM PST by mylife (Opinions: $1.00 ~ Halfbaked: 50c)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

the ATF

That would be the BATFE, who really doesn’t deserve one letter much less 5 going on infinity.


11 posted on 02/02/2011 6:44:32 AM PST by wita
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To: riverrunner

If they are close enough to use a shot gun, you are going to need more than 20 rounds if the 870 can’t handle it.


12 posted on 02/02/2011 6:46:05 AM PST by barb-tex ( C)
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To: onona

I would, but they won’t sell the AA-12 to the public...


13 posted on 02/02/2011 6:49:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: onona
I would, if there was a comparable product.
14 posted on 02/02/2011 6:54:56 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
Wonder what part of “shall not be infringed” they don’t get?

All of it.

15 posted on 02/02/2011 6:58:12 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Dead Corpse
I would, but they won’t sell the AA-12 to the public...

Best HOME DEFENSE weapon I have ever seen.

16 posted on 02/02/2011 7:05:06 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
17 posted on 02/02/2011 7:19:09 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: riverrunner
I guess the new Kel Tec shotgun well be a hot seller with people would want this type of weapon.

Damn right. I'm already saving to put one of those in my safe. 14 rounds in a pump with selectable tubes? So you could load one side all slugs and load the other with a variety of loads and then switch back and forth? HECK YEAH! PLUS it's a bullpup design and the empties eject straight downward. What's not to like? Too bad I'm so effectively blocked here at work from using YOUTUBE. Can somebody post a video clip of the new Kel Teck shottie in action?

18 posted on 02/02/2011 7:31:37 AM PST by ExSoldier (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.)
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To: DCBryan1; Joe Brower

The Destructive Device category has always struck me as an all inclusive term for banning anything that makes a soccer mom, male or female, need bladder control protection, which at the whim of the powers that be could be as minute as a BB pistol. That BB will destroy things, I guarantee.


19 posted on 02/02/2011 7:35:52 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: barb-tex

So what’s your point? You seem to want to be divisive.


20 posted on 02/02/2011 7:38:17 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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