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1,500-year-old church found in Israel
Yahoo News ^ | January 2011 | MATTI FRIEDMAN

Posted on 02/02/2011 2:37:27 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

HIRBET MADRAS, Israel – Israeli archaeologists presented a newly uncovered 1,500-year-old church in the Judean hills on Wednesday, including an unusually well-preserved mosaic floor with images of lions, foxes, fish and peacocks.

The Byzantine church located southwest of Jerusalem, excavated over the last two months, will be visible only for another week before archaeologists cover it again with soil for its own protection.

The small basilica with an exquisitely decorated floor was active between the fifth and seventh centuries A.D., said the dig's leader, Amir Ganor of the Israel Antiquities Authority. He said the floor was "one of the most beautiful mosaics to be uncovered in Israel in recent years."

"It is unique in its craftsmanship and level of preservation," he said.

Archaeologists began digging at the site, known as Hirbet Madras, in December. The Antiquities Authority discovered several months earlier that antiquities thieves had begun plundering the ruins, which sit on an uninhabited hill not far from an Israeli farming community.

Though an initial survey suggested the building was a synagogue, the excavation revealed stones carved with crosses, identifying it as a church. The building had been built atop another structure around 500 years older, dating to Roman times, when scholars believe the settlement was inhabited by Jews....

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Religion
KEYWORDS: church; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; hirbetmadras; israel; zechariah

1 posted on 02/02/2011 2:37:30 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Thank goodness the church is in Judea. If it were in the west bank the ancient tiles & bricks would already be on sale in the building materials department of the Palistinian equivelent of Home Depot.


2 posted on 02/02/2011 2:42:00 PM PST by skeeter
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Active from the 5th to the 7th centuries. 400s to 600s. Hmmmmmmmmm. Wonder what happened in the 600s to render it inactive? Probably the arrival of a bunch of Amish or some other religion of peace that peacefully persuaded the Christians to join a new religion. Peacefully.


3 posted on 02/02/2011 2:42:57 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: SunkenCiv; decimon
Church-in-the-wildwood ping.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

4 posted on 02/02/2011 2:50:32 PM PST by The Comedian (It's 3am all over the planet.)
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To: Houghton M.

the peaceful prophet of the religion of pieces.


5 posted on 02/02/2011 2:56:08 PM PST by sappy (criminallibs)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

They uncovered a building. The church is the assembly of believers in Christ. Too much attention paid to architecture...not enough to the message.


6 posted on 02/02/2011 3:00:56 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: sappy
the religion of pieces

Islam is a blast, isn't it? ;-)

7 posted on 02/02/2011 3:04:50 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Dutchboy88
They uncovered a building. The church is the assembly of believers in Christ. Too much attention paid to architecture...not enough to the message.

Right. In think it was Luther who insisted that the message in the architecture was blasphemy or something like that.

8 posted on 02/02/2011 3:46:04 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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9 posted on 02/02/2011 4:13:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Dutchboy88

The floor looks really beautiful, though. Can’t wait to see good pictures of it.


10 posted on 02/02/2011 4:20:02 PM PST by firebrand
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

This site is just beautiful. Go to the source for pictures.


11 posted on 02/02/2011 4:25:18 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: the invisib1e hand

More like Luther objected to the selling of indulgences to fund said message-in-the-architecture churches.


12 posted on 02/02/2011 6:55:25 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: Kolokotronis

ping


13 posted on 02/02/2011 7:05:50 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: Dutchboy88

LOL. Which assembly?


14 posted on 02/02/2011 7:46:54 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

The article indicates that the church is Byzantine, but they’d more likely be Monophysites, no?


15 posted on 02/02/2011 7:49:52 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Houghton M.; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; sappy

The actual irony is that the Byzantine suppression of the Monophysite Christians caused their defection to Mohammed.

They’d repulsed the eastern tribes and later the Muslims and protected the trade routes of the Levant which the Mohammedans so desperately wanted to loot. The buffer they formed protected the Christian west.

If only the Byzantines had shown a little tolerance for that belief or at least a little political prudence Islam would have remained a tribal religion delimited to Saudi Arabia. Instead Constantinople fell to treachery before a Muslim army and Anatolia went the way of Islam.


16 posted on 02/02/2011 7:57:02 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
"Which assembly?"

Yes.

17 posted on 02/03/2011 8:06:06 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: 1010RD

Yeah, blame the victims. Played a role, yes. Caused it all, no. Were it not for the nasty Byzzies, Muhammed would’ve been a choirboy.

All the Christians fault. They made Muzzies bad. Muzzies wanted so hard to be nice but nasty Byzzies left them no choice but to be bad.

Bad bad Byzzies.


18 posted on 02/03/2011 10:10:02 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Dutchboy88

Yes, all of them?


19 posted on 02/03/2011 12:49:42 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Houghton M.

It’s simple historical fact, not a political perspective. Muslims weren’t the only violent people in history held at bay by client states acting as buffers.

The Byzantines and the Persians both persecuted the buffer states between them and Islam, nearly at the same time. That, more than anything, allowed Islam to spread beyond its original, parochial limits.


20 posted on 02/03/2011 12:52:05 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
"Yes, all of them?"

No, of course not.

21 posted on 02/03/2011 1:41:07 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Pelham

Snort!!!!


22 posted on 02/03/2011 2:37:20 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (talk to the hand)
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To: Dutchboy88

Dutchboy88: The church is the assembly of believers in Christ.

1010RD: Which assembly?

Dutchboy88: Yes.

1010RD: Yes, all of them?

Dutchboy88: No, of course not.

So now the complete absence of logic for your premise is obvious. The church can’t just be the assembly of believers in Christ. It must be more specific by your own recognition.


23 posted on 02/03/2011 4:01:54 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Oh, so now you add the Persians. Funny, that wasn’t in your initial response. It was all Christians’ fault.

Muzzies good, byzzies bad, Perzies bad.


24 posted on 02/03/2011 5:13:24 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

I didn’t blame the Christians, did I? There’s nothing funny about remembering an additional fact later.

Your answers have a hyperbolic combination of Byzantine/Islamist behavior.

You seem a bit pixilated. Have you been shoveling snow?


25 posted on 02/03/2011 6:15:01 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
"The church can’t just be the assembly of believers in Christ."

Once again, the unbiblical teaching the Bible. No wonder a building is called the church.

26 posted on 02/04/2011 7:55:00 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

We’re in agreement, DB, that the building isn’t the Church, just a convenient location to meet.

I’m just boiling down your replies. If it is the assembly of believers in Christ, but not all of them per your previous reply, then which assembly of believers in Christ is the Church?

Do you see where you’re at?


27 posted on 02/04/2011 9:46:53 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
I see plainly where I am at. The original post is the point. This group did not uncover a church, but merely a building in which some people may have met. Nobody has any idea whether these were actually believers in Christ, or just a group of religionists. Actually, only God knows that. The claim, therefore, that this is a "church" is patently incorrect.

The Scriptures are clear...those who rest their rescue on belonging to an organization cannot, repeat cannot, be comfortable that they have been grafted into the real church, the Body of Jesus Christ.

If you are after which group represents the true believers in Christ, you are looking at the answer. But, you seem to want a brand name, a group name, an organizational name, an earthly association. Yet, the Scriptures tell us that such is not to be found.

Those whom God has set aside, elect from the foundation of the world, chosen to be His holy priesthood, the rescued, the adopted, the saved from every nation and people on earth are the church. And, not every person who calls themselves a Christian, is in fact, among those whom God has drawn to Himself.

Do you see where you are at?

28 posted on 02/04/2011 10:46:32 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
I see plainly where I am at. The original post is the point. This group did not uncover a church, but merely a building in which some people may have met. Nobody has any idea whether these were actually believers in Christ, or just a group of religionists. Actually, only God knows that. The claim, therefore, that this is a "church" is patently incorrect.

Sophisms, pure sophisms. This is a church as it is commonly understood, a building housing worshipers set aside for that specific purpose. Churches are buildings. The Church isn't, so in that you're correct.

The Scriptures are clear...those who rest their rescue on belonging to an organization cannot, repeat cannot, be comfortable that they have been grafted into the real church, the Body of Jesus Christ.

If you are after which group represents the true believers in Christ, you are looking at the answer. But, you seem to want a brand name, a group name, an organizational name, an earthly association. Yet, the Scriptures tell us that such is not to be found.

Eisegesis, show me that the Scriptures are clear and tell us that such is not to be found.

29 posted on 02/05/2011 6:50:34 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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"Sophisms, pure sophisms. This is a church as it is commonly understood, a building housing worshipers set aside for that specific purpose. Churches are buildings. The Church isn't, so in that you're correct."

Too busy to comment earlier on the absurdity of this post. Caught a few moments and couldn't resist.

You claim the singular of "Church" is defined as the "True believers elect in Christ before the foundation of the world" and the plural of the same word is: Buildings?

Your lexicon fell in a mud puddle somewhere on the way to school. It is not your common misuunderstanding that matters. It is the way the Scriptures use the words "church" and "churches" that counts. And, it matters when folks misuse those words and consequently give the world a greater misunderstanding of the Gospel than it already suffers.

"DB: The Scriptures are clear...those who rest their rescue on belonging to an organization cannot, repeat cannot, be comfortable that they have been grafted into the real church, the Body of Jesus Christ. If you are after which group represents the true believers in Christ, you are looking at the answer. But, you seem to want a brand name, a group name, an organizational name, an earthly association. Yet, the Scriptures tell us that such is not to be found."

"101RD:Eisegesis, show me that the Scriptures are clear and tell us that such is not to be found."

You are joking, right? You have identified passages in the Scripture where the specific brand name of a group is identified to be the true believers in Christ? Where is it please...Hesitations 9:18? And you believe I perform eisegesis when I say such is not to be found? Your remarks are beyond absurd.

30 posted on 02/14/2011 1:57:41 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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