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To: Jacquerie; All
Thank you, Jacquerie, for posting Madison's words of wisdom.

With regard to your quote on the "idea" vs. the "real estate," Madison pointed out that same concept in the following observation:

"The enviable condition of the people of the United States is often too much ascribed to the physical advantages of their soil & climate .... But a just estimate of the happiness of our country will never overlook what belongs to the fertile activity of a free people and the benign influence of a responsible government." - James Madison

May we take the Madisonian wisdom and contrast it with the prevailing wisdom (ignorance) of today?

The American idea, as encapsulated in its Declaration of Independence and structured into a Constitution for self-government, more liberty and opportunity, more productivity, and more goods and services than the world ever has seen.

To utilize Madison again, it happened under what he called "the benign influence of a responsible government."

While Europe struggled with oppressive government intervention, the genius Founders of America recognized enduring truths about human nature, the human tendency to abuse power, and the possibilities of liberty for individuals. Richard Frothingham's 1872 "History of the Rise of the Republic of the United States," Page 14, contained the following footnote item on the condition of citizens of France:

"Footnote 1.  M. de Champagny (Dublin Review, April, 1868) says of France, 'We were and are unable to go from Paris to Neuilly; or dine more than twenty together; or have in our portmanteau three copies of the same tract; or lend a book to a friend: or put a patch of mortar on our own house, if it stands in the street; or kill a partridge; or plant a tree near the road-side; or take coal out of our own land: or tench three or four children to read, . .. without permission from the civil government.'

Clearly the government of France laid an oppressive regulatory and tax burden on citizens,  robbing them of their Creator-endowed liberty and enjoyment thereof. Frothingham observed that such coercive power constituted  "a noble form robbed of its lifegiving spirit."

Thomas Jefferson warned Americans:

"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39

Note Jefferson's very last thought here.  He declares that when government taxing and debt have reached certain levels,  in order for individuals to survive,  then their chosen  "employment" becomes "hiring ourselves to rivet their (the government's) chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers." 

Think about it:  in the Year 2011, where are America's levels of employment highest?  Is it in the once-thriving private sector, or in the ever-increasing government sector?  Have we reached that final phase of what Jefferson described as a logical end to what begins as letting "our rulers load us with perpetual debt"--a state where we actually become participants by "hiring ourselves" to make slaves of our fellow citizens?

Madison's "National Gazette" remarks are pertinent for today. Thank you for highlighting them, for they highlight and distinguish America's founding ideas from those of all regimes who deny the concept of God-given individual rights.

20 posted on 02/05/2011 9:34:51 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2
You are welcome.

Also thanks to you for introducing Frothingham to me some months ago. I have spent many happy and engrossed hours consuming our colonial history.

Our Constitution could not have happened without the Articles of Confederation, or the revolution, or almost 200 years of colonial (mostly) self government.

I am particularly fascinated with the period during the English Civil wars, in which we were literally abandoned to our own devices to survive French and Indian predations. Do you have any further reference material dealing with this time?

21 posted on 02/05/2011 9:51:15 AM PST by Jacquerie (Our Constitution put the Natural Law philosophy of the Declaration into practice.)
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To: loveliberty2
A most excellent post my FRiend! It is in fact the best I've seen here is quite some time!

I would also add that I STRONGLY believe the following Jefferson quote to be SO timely and SO relevant to our current situation that it needs to be posted as a stand alone thread here on Free Republic! Please consider doing that!

"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers."

Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39

26 posted on 02/05/2011 10:41:43 AM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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