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TARIFFS NOW: Bring Back American Jobs
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Posted on 02/08/2011 3:14:32 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

Just a friendly reminder: Americans increasingly don't make things. Any things!

Another friendly reminder: Americans increasingly only buy things.

A sad reminder: Every single thing we buy, is made elsewhere...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: china; freetrade; now; tariffs; tariffsaretaxes
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REALITY CHECK:

This is how a country goes broke.

1 posted on 02/08/2011 3:14:35 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Globalists come in both Democrat and Republican flavors.


2 posted on 02/08/2011 3:26:03 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: screaminsunshine

At this 100th birthday of President Ronald Reagan, let’s remember one of his most remarkable, and powerful qualities:

“Reagan Democrats”.

The GOP has lost its way. It seems to do everything it can to eliminate jobs here - and send America’s greatness to nations like China.

President Reagan would not do that. President Reagan believed in America, and inspired working Americans by standing up for them.

“Free trade” stands up for no Americans. And it certainly does not help the GOP win votes.


3 posted on 02/08/2011 3:33:58 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

LESSON: Smoot-Hawley

The real proble is that government has turned the once fertile soil (for industry) of the US toxic.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 3:34:52 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots

Blah blah blah.

Broken record...


5 posted on 02/08/2011 3:35:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Something must be done to eliminate the rupturing of American jobs overseas.

No sure that a tariff would work, based on Smoot-Hartley.

Perhaps direct economic retaliation against those nations like Red China whose economic policies are counter=productive to our best interests and do not constitute an equal playing field.


6 posted on 02/08/2011 3:40:32 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Every single thing we buy, is made elsewhere...

You might find this article interesting...
I will start checking...How about you?
You have to read the labels on everything.

A little time and effort beats permanent pessimism.

7 posted on 02/08/2011 3:40:40 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Vendome

Courtesy ping for #7.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 3:41:46 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ZULU

Smoot Hawley has ZERO relevance to America’s current situation.

At the time of Smoot Hawley, we were in the situation the Peoples Republic of China is now.

WE WILL WIN ANY TRADE WAR NOW.

We should start one. I’m completely serious.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 3:42:54 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
want jobs
10 posted on 02/08/2011 3:53:28 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FrankR

Nicely done.

Happy Birthday President Reagan.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 3:54:45 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: philman_36
I've been buying American for years. It's hard, and some things you just can't get (electronics, mostly) but it can be done.

The next step is to forgo the buying decision entirely unless there is a US-made product available. This is much more difficult, but with the exception of electronics I have been doing this for several years. Upsets the family a bit. Probably would upset some FReepers, too. Tough.

That said, there are a lot of "conservatives" that will have apoplectic fits over folks exercising their free-market rights not to trade with Most Favored Nation PR China.

12 posted on 02/08/2011 3:57:52 AM PST by jboot
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Vendome
Every single thing we buy, is made elsewhere...

The ten boxes of Sylvania 4 pack light bulbs I purchased the other day (I'm stocking up before they're no longer available) are made in the US.

Rank hyperbole isn't helping your cause, CNN.

13 posted on 02/08/2011 4:00:29 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jboot
I've been buying American for years.
As have I.
That said, there are a lot of "conservatives" that will have apoplectic fits over folks exercising their free-market rights not to trade with Most Favored Nation PR China.
Tough titty, said the kitty! I'll call 'em a waaaaaahmbulance!
Hand tools are a perfect example. Try busting a flange on a 12" or bigger dia. pipe with a POS China combo wrench or have a pipe wrench bust on you when you're applying full pressure!
I used to make sure that every tool I bought was American made. I saw the bloody results too many times from some poor schmuck who went cheap on his tools and suffered for it.
To this day I won't buy Made in China tools, even if I have to pay a little extra...which, thankfully, isn't too often.
14 posted on 02/08/2011 4:16:53 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

My cause is America. I also find it encouraging when I buy a product made in the USA. My last several sported the names “Zippo” and “Buck”. But let’s face facts and be realistic as we buy American?

Don’t deceive yourself into believing the fact you have found a single product - US made lightbulbs (which won’t be made for very much longer, at which point imported CFL’s will replace them) is evidence we are a manufacturing nation. That just isn’t so any longer.

Sending our jobs to China, certainly is not helping America, and only makes China a more formidable adversary by the day.

It is folly, and it is BAD FOR AMERICA.

We have avoided dealing headlong with this problem for too long. Now we are seeing the inevitable result.

There’s no longer any question “free trade” as currently practiced - is devastating America... and:

Isn’t working. We need a new approach. One good for America first.

There is no “free trade”.

We are already in a trade war! Problem is: We are not fighting back!

What is happening now is that “free trade” American (erstwhile) conservatives, have become the modern-day US equivalent, of Vichy French.

Ready willing and even enthusiastic to sell out their own nation.

I don’t get it.


15 posted on 02/08/2011 4:17:38 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
My personal favorite economist, Walter Williams, was asked about tariffs:

John Hawkins: There was a lot of controversy last year about the steel tariffs that George Bush approved. Do those tariffs specifically, and tariffs in general, hurt or help our economy?

Walter Williams: They help some steel workers keep their jobs, but it turns out to be a losing proposition on balance. The reason why steel workers and their companies want tariffs on foreign steel is so they can raise the price of steel produced by U.S. companies. So, it will save some jobs in the steel industry, but one has to look at the "steel using industry." The companies in the U.S. that buy steel to produce their products are hurt by the tariffs. You find unemployment in those areas because of the higher costs of their inputs, which makes them less competitive on world markets. So what one has to look at is not the seen, but the unseen. Yes, you can see as a result of tariffs that more jobs are saved in the steel industry. What goes unseen are the jobs lost elsewhere because of the steel tariffs. Tariffs save some jobs at the expense of many, many other jobs.

Williams interview

A fairly succinct rebuttal, n'est-ce pas? Works for me anyway...

16 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:16 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I guess wars will be illegal when we no longer make steel and hence no longer capable of making ships and tanks. Maybe our enemies will sell us steel so we can fight fair.


17 posted on 02/08/2011 4:26:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: T-Bird45

I believe Walter Williams shares some regrettable blindnesses, with George W Bush.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 4:26:09 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I know and understand the point you're trying to make with your post. However, you can't make the claim you made and then come back talking about the American made products you've purchased...
My last several sported the names “Zippo” and “Buck”.
(some of my favorite products!)

Don't get me wrong, now! I too share your frustration and angst at the loss of manufacturing.
I'm just suggesting you cut out the hyperbole.
You're completely free to not follow the suggestion.

I don’t get it.
Neither do I. Free trade isn't open trade.

19 posted on 02/08/2011 4:31:29 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Chinese tools are crap. I was blessed to inherit a large (machine-shop sized) set of circa-1980 tools. With the exception of a few odd “made in Japan” tools they are all US-Made (Craftsman, Snap-On and several long-defunct small makers). I have some even stouter 1940s vintage tools bought at a surplus auction. The 1/2” chuck electric drill in that group weighs 25 lbs and can uproot 3” trees when hooked to a winch! I make it my business to keep all those tools cleaned, lubed and in tip-top condition. A friend of mine who brags of buying all his tools from Harbor Freight is always asking to borrow mine...I wonder why? ;-)


20 posted on 02/08/2011 4:36:00 AM PST by jboot
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Smoot–Hawley II NOW!
[Great Depression II later...}
21 posted on 02/08/2011 4:38:47 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Back then, we were the world’s largest exporter.

That’s why Smoot-Hawley turned out the way it did.

And it sure ain’t the case now.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 4:41:01 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: central_va; T-Bird45
Exactly. When we are all slaves, than we won't have to worry about jobs anymore.

Until and against that day, some industries deserve protection. When the last steelmaker goes away, we will need to buy our steel from our future adversaries. When the last chipmaker goes away (and that day is coming almost any moment) all of our weapons systems and military IT systems will have Chinese chipsets at their cores.

It is time for us to stop sacrificing our future on the altar of Free Trade.

23 posted on 02/08/2011 4:43:26 AM PST by jboot
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To: jboot
A friend of mine who brags of buying all his tools from Harbor Freight...
Why would anyone brag about that?!

...is always asking to borrow mine...I wonder why? ;-)
He wants your pie! His tastes like "..it".

24 posted on 02/08/2011 4:55:43 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
This is how a country goes broke.

The country goes broke by ssessing confiscatory taxes - taking the wealth of Americans away - and flushing it down the unproductive bureaucratic toilet. Manufacturing leaves because the government makes it too expensive to manufacture here. If you believe we can tax our way to prosperity, your on the wrong website.

I am unwilling to cede one more iota of my liberty to the government. I will do business with those I choose. A liberal - a person who is congenitally unable to keep his nose out of other people's business. If the shoe fits.

25 posted on 02/08/2011 4:55:58 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Tariffs are a tool for leveling the playing field in international trade, but they aren't the only tool, and they certainly aren't the first tool that should be employed.

A better tool is removing the myriad of taxes and regulations that hinder businesses (and individuals) and keep them from being competitive.

Only after this tool has been implemented should tariffs be employed.

26 posted on 02/08/2011 4:58:45 AM PST by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Milton Friedman will bring you back to the light
27 posted on 02/08/2011 4:59:30 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: jboot; central_va
Both of you assume the next war will be staged a la WW2 with America as "The Arsenal of Democracy, Part 2." Unlikely, IMO - the next war will be a "run what ya brung" affair so the onus is to maintain constant readiness rather than a surge capacity. While a Venn diagram would certainly show an overlap of economics and national defense, the larger part of the national defense discussion is about political will and the proper level of spending to ensure America's defense.
28 posted on 02/08/2011 5:13:30 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
"run what ya brung"

So our enemies know that; if the keep building replacement ships and tanks they will ultimately win. Glad you are not the President.

Ridiculous, you free traders can never address national security issues, because you CAN'T.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 5:30:46 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: T-Bird45
"Both of you assume the next war will be staged a la WW2 with America as "The Arsenal of Democracy, Part 2"

And you assume that the next war will be staged tomorrow. I do not. America would win any war it entered tomorrow, no one is arguing that. I am concerned about the war ten years from now, or twenty, or thirty. When our weapons are either hopelessly obsolete or are purchased from others because we can no longer produce our own. We will surely lose that war.

30 posted on 02/08/2011 5:31:11 AM PST by jboot
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To: philman_36
"Why would anyone brag about that?!"

Because he saves money. Never mind that he is basically buying disposable tools. His last purchase was a $49 compressed air fluid extractor. It worked fine but slowly when it was hand-pumped, but it literally exploded when he hooked it up to his air compressor. As far as I could tell he followed the instructions to the letter. The tool just wasn't built well enough to take its own normal operating pressure.

31 posted on 02/08/2011 5:37:47 AM PST by jboot
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It serves the purpose of Globalism. There are Globalists in both parties who do not have American interest at heart but consider themselves citizens of the new world order. You can find the movers and shakers in the CFR and the Bilderburg group. Their names are online in the membership lists. I keep the lists handy if I am watching the News and check them against the “experts” that show up spouting opinions.


32 posted on 02/08/2011 5:40:36 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: ALPAPilot
The country goes broke by ssessing confiscatory taxes - taking the wealth of Americans away - and flushing it down the unproductive bureaucratic toilet.
Manufacturing leaves because the government makes it too expensive to manufacture here.

If you believe we can tax our way to prosperity, your on the wrong website.

Hear, hear! - Although I would add that he is on the wrong planet

33 posted on 02/08/2011 5:41:07 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: jboot
America would win any war it entered tomorrow, no one is arguing that. I am concerned about the war ten years from now, or twenty, or thirty. When our weapons are either hopelessly obsolete or are purchased from others because we can no longer produce our own. We will surely lose that war.

Concurring bump.

One need look no further than the Chinese hold on rare-earth metals, and their recently demonstrated willingness to shut down supply to the rest of the world for political reasons, for an example.

34 posted on 02/08/2011 5:46:12 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Thank you.

It's simple, really. Domestic industrial capacity = National security. Lose one, lose the other.

35 posted on 02/08/2011 5:52:39 AM PST by jboot
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To: jboot
Because he saves money.
Buy cheap, get cheap. That's all I've got to say about that.
36 posted on 02/08/2011 5:58:57 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: jboot; All

No industry deserves protection.. Hooray for Capitalism..


37 posted on 02/08/2011 6:33:22 AM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: KevinDavis
"No industry deserves protection.. Hooray for Capitalism Slavery"

There, fixed it for you. If we stay this course, your grandchildren will be slaves. If they live at all.

38 posted on 02/08/2011 6:38:59 AM PST by jboot
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To: philman_36

Thanks! Since my little discovery I am really looking for things made in the USA. I had before but now it just kind of a mission.

A great place to find Made in the USA are the dollar stores.

They sell name brand and generic brand items that you would find in a regular store and of course it’s a buck.


39 posted on 02/08/2011 6:48:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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USITC Home > Official Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States http://usitc.gov/tata/hts/bychapter/index.htm


40 posted on 02/08/2011 7:03:23 AM PST by anglian
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To: KevinDavis
“No industry deserves protection.. “

Our nation's founders didn't believe that idea.

41 posted on 02/08/2011 7:09:20 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A statement that we don’t make anything anymore is just a flat out falsehood. Check the facts. The U.S. is still the world’s leading manufacturer BY FAR!!


42 posted on 02/08/2011 7:15:51 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Here's a reality check - Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act (1930).

The Tariffs enacted in 'the depression' by Smoot–Hawley turned it into the GREAT Depression. They also caused the USA to be the LAST world power to come out of it. All of Europe recovered during the 30's. (Germany was the first, but we knew that)

And if it wasn't for WWII, the GREAT Depression would have lasted longer. As after WWII all those 'busy factories' weren't so busy any more, and most returning GIs couldn't find a job (there wasn't any 'job protection').

The women who still had jobs and were making their own money wanted to keep it. And 4Fs and other older men had jobs they were not about to give up to some Captain who was awarded a medal. As such unemployment again sky rocketed (there was also a severe housing shortage, but that's another matter)

So the effects of a Tariffs Bill enacted in 1930 (and other gubmint price control regulations) had a long lasting effect.

43 posted on 02/08/2011 7:46:08 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Blah blah blah.

Broken record...

Well, since you have so expertly iterated your case and displayed a brilliant understanding of macroeconomics with your witty prose, other economic luddites can only line up behind you in your blithely uninformed, quixotic crusade.

I happen to actually have a graduate degree in economics, and your argument does not sway my position. In fact, my teenage son can articulate a position on economic policy with far greater logic than what you are demonstrating on these pages.

44 posted on 02/08/2011 8:40:38 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The big government "conservative" once again demands higher taxes for for all consumers and more money and power for the government.

Only when our government decides which companies and industries should receive protection will we have fair trade. The government will certainly offer this protection only to companies needing it and would never do it for political purposes. Unions and other special interests have no influence over what the government does.

If the state knows what's best for us when it comes to trade, why wouldn't it also know what's best for the entire economy? I mean, just think of all the good government could do if we'd simply trust them with the entire economy. Jobs and wealth would be everywhere and there would be no need for entitlement programs. What a world that would be!

Higher prices and greater regulation of business is what we need. The smart people understand that increased costs and greater regulation will spur growth, create jobs, and make our economy the envy of the world. When it comes to trade, conservatives can trust government to do the right thing. Just look at the record......

45 posted on 02/08/2011 8:52:56 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

agreed!! yours is the best post of the day, although you will find many anti-”buy american” types here.


46 posted on 02/08/2011 9:23:17 AM PST by Moleman
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To: driftless2

“A statement that we don’t make anything anymore is just a flat out falsehood. Check the facts. The U.S. is still the world’s leading manufacturer BY FAR!!”
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

What are we manufacturing?

I’m NOT disputing what you said, but I would like some particulars stated because I don’t find a whole lot in my
day to day world that are made here. Please list consumer goods.

Yes I know we make Jet Airliners and Railroad Locomotives and Power Plant Generators... but the revenue stream from
those products is not making it into very many US wallets.

Also... is it measured by just GDP or how??


47 posted on 02/08/2011 11:24:43 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Moleman
"you will find many anti-”buy american” types here."

I suspect they have the most to lose when the global economy fragments. They are probabaly heavily leveraged in the asian exchanges, or they own businesses and rely on asian slave labor to keep their margins up. (You know, all those "designed in the USA and made to our exacting standards in China" products? I won't buy them, either.) They aren't any different from the pro-illegal-immigrant posters we user to have around here. All of them owned construction or landscaping companies and couldn't compete in the saturated mid-2000s market without hiring illegal alien labor. As they say, follow the money.

48 posted on 02/08/2011 11:34:59 AM PST by jboot
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To: NeverForgetBataan

You mean like autos, air conditioners, pharmaceuticals, furniture?


49 posted on 02/09/2011 6:43:17 AM PST by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

I’ll give you the first three...Maybe.... but furniture no. Good try however. There USED to be furniture mills all over North Carolina. Not any more. Go to Roomstore and look at the tags.

We all know what the Auto industry is like in this country. To say that its wheezing along would be generous. Of all your examples it adds the most to the GDP, but it could even be more if the big three did not make so much in Mexico. And many automotive sub-component suppliers ARE going to China. And Ford just announced a new engine plant for China. Looks like their second. See links below.

http://www.auto123.com/en/news/car-news/second-engine-plant-in-china-for-ford?artid=123212

Even Caterpillar is going to China. See below link.

http://www.pjstar.com/business/x794471817/Cat-to-build-new-large-engine-plant-in-China

When new home construction goes way down so does Air Conditioner manufacturing. Most households only buy a replacement very occasionally. And I would not be surprised to see Air Conditioners go off-shore soon. Not adding much to the GDP there.

Pharma is probably your best bet to keep a true indigenous industry. It adds to the GDP, but at what level?


50 posted on 02/09/2011 8:45:50 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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