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How well do Solar Panels work?
MsLady | Feb. 8, 2011 | MsLady

Posted on 02/08/2011 7:55:56 AM PST by MsLady

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To: SeeSac

Yep, and yesterday, over 20.


121 posted on 02/09/2011 12:57:19 PM PST by Errant
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To: dangerdoc
The Department of the Interior, Office of Surface Mining has regulations allowing “incidental” coal extraction (coal near the surface that is uncovered while building a highway, for example.) If the coal lays under what is called “prime farm land,” you would be required to return that land to 100 percent of pre-mine productivity and post a bond with your state (if it has primacy to oversee mining.)
When the 1977 law (amended in 78 and 79) was first drafted, it allowed up to 2 acres to be disturbed and no more than 250 tons to be extracted but not for sale. I'm pretty sure this has been changed, however.
The main thrust of the law was to prevent the loss of topsoil and keep dirty storm water from running off mine sites with holding ponds. Later, more regs were added covering blasting, dust, compaction of soils, mining into alluvial valley floors, etc. The mountaintop removal mining in W. VA seems to ignore the law's “approximate original contour” stipulations and certainly interrupts free flowing streams and creeks.
122 posted on 02/09/2011 1:29:28 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I should add; the law was published as PL 95-87, signed by Jimmah Cahtah.


123 posted on 02/09/2011 1:36:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thus the need not to talk about it.

I’ve moved tons of dirt and rock around my property. If some of that were coal, nobody would be the wiser. I wish I had an exposed seam on my property, I would dig some up just for the principal of the matter.

In fact just discussing it has aggravated me to the point I’ll have to pour some used motor oil in the in the creek just to make me feel better. /jk


124 posted on 02/09/2011 4:32:11 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

Don’t throw away that used oil.
It’s worth $2.00/gallon during asphalt paving season.


125 posted on 02/09/2011 5:12:14 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

/jk

I was just joking. Everybody knows you don’t pour oil in the creek, you spray it on the road and ditch to settle dust and kill weeds.


126 posted on 02/09/2011 7:25:18 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

When I was a kid and broke, I rented houses with friends.

I had a roommate once who changed the oil in his car and then poured the dirty oil into my vegtable garden compost. He was around 20. He had no idea that was a bad idea until he heard me screaming like a banshie.


127 posted on 02/09/2011 7:53:42 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Oldpuppymax

“Hey great!!! For only a forty thousand dollar investment, you’ll be able to warm up a cup of tea—sometimes even twice a day!!!!”

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Understand your point, but actually one can accomplish what you described, for $100. Basically - a trickle charger, a battery and once a day, a couple minutes of heat from some sort of low-wattage small heating element.

Solar isn’t yet anywhere near economically competitive, but can in a pinch (teotwawki or oil crunch etc) provide a VERY basic limited backup capability. Just marginally more convenient than camping.

If there’s literally no power, for $100 ... that’s somewhat better than nothing. Sort of. :)

Unless one has an unlimited budget (your $40,000 reference) — in which case it’s actually possible to build a system capable of supporting nearly a “normal” house power load.

Mostly a hobby until the technology improves.


128 posted on 02/10/2011 7:21:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: MsLady

The pump can be good, but pumping into a restriction or excessive back-pressure that causes the power usage to go up - waaaaay up.

Most of the time, people with wells never think much about friction losses and excessive “head pressure” (ie, pressure at the head of a well). That is, until they’re in your situation, where you have a finite amount of energy at your daily disposal, and you find yourself saying “Wow, a huge chunk of our energy usage is spent getting water out of the ground.”

If you can get those pressure (PSI) and GPM numbers, then if you can get the HP and/or model # of your well pump flip me a message a PM and I can run some numbers for you on what your pump “should” be pulling for power draw. We used to own a farm in Nevada with four irrigation wells and a domestic well.... so I’ve been down this road with wells that had power bills in the $3K to $5K/month range. It costs a lot of money to pump 1200 GPM out of a well 235’ deep at 30 PSI...


129 posted on 02/10/2011 8:34:11 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Thank you so much. I have no idea of the numbers. I’ll have to see if my husband knows. I’m not even sure he does. We had the well dug about 6 years ago, costly over 12,000 to have it done. Our well is over 300’ deep.


130 posted on 02/10/2011 11:18:29 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady
In snow... not so much. ;(
131 posted on 02/10/2011 11:20:56 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: MsLady
Based upon your description solar is the wrong choice for you. Also, solar is the most expensive per KWh supplied. Can you go hydro?
132 posted on 02/10/2011 11:22:57 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse, Lakota Sioux)
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To: mad_as_he$$; MsLady
Why not Geothermal? AC included. ;D


133 posted on 02/10/2011 11:27:33 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: Daffynition

Yea :( we get a lot of snow here. In fact it’s been snowing for days now. We have at least 150” of snow, it’s probably more just not sure. Usually we get around 250” give or take a few.


134 posted on 02/10/2011 11:39:29 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I don’t think we can go hydro, no reliable running water on our property.


135 posted on 02/10/2011 11:40:46 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Daffynition
Geo is ok but you still have to run a heat pump or other concentrating technology. It is expensive up front also.
136 posted on 02/10/2011 12:36:08 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ( "Hokahey, today is a good day to die!" Crazy Horse, Lakota Sioux)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yes...like any technology...over time...it will become more affordable.

I’ve seen some housing developments up here in NE using geo and the homes are twice a expensive as comps per sq footage.


137 posted on 02/10/2011 12:53:18 PM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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