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Table Disservice (e.g., banning iPads and Kindles in coffee shops?)
New York Times website ^ | February 11, 2011 | Virginia Hefferman

Posted on 02/13/2011 6:05:50 AM PST by RayChuang88

No Kindles in cafes? You’ve got to be kidding. This is an affront, not only to readers and gadget lovers, but also to the spirit of cafes!

Many indie New York City cafes now heavily restrict, or ban outright, the use of Kindles, Nooks and iPads. Evidently, too many coffee shops in town have had their ambience wrecked when itinerant word processors with laptops turn the tables into office space. Sure, that phenomenon can be depressing — whether you’re a scornful lady who lunches or the nomadic freelancer who fields glares. And full-dress computers are perhaps too much personal furniture for cafes to accommodate. But banning devices the size of books, like Kindles and iPads, is going too far, and it’s anathema to the character and history of cafes.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: bans; coffeeshop; ipad; kindle
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To: RayChuang88

“These coffee shops are trying to “hold on to tradition” and they are going to really start losing money in the longer run.”

On Sunday, my wife and I would get the local papers and sit in our local cafe for hours. Granted we would eat breakfast, drink coffee and talk to friends.

The only difference is technology. I no longer have to kill a tree and destroy its ability to scrub harmful CO2 from the atmosphere, which is the reason why its -10 today.

I have a Kindle. I am saving the world.


21 posted on 02/13/2011 6:56:01 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The way to beat a terrorist is to terrorize him.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Perhaps it is not the device itself, but using the device for hours which is what the coffee shops don't want.

Exactly. Cofee shops are for paying customers, like any other establishment. Why let a bunch of nonpaying selfish freeloaders take up all their seats and table space? If they want to sit and read their kindl all day they should go home or find a park bench.

NYawk. Figures.

22 posted on 02/13/2011 7:14:29 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RayChuang88

The New York coffee shops miss the old days where patrons in shaggy clothes would congregate to listen to acoustic Bob Dylan and Woody Guthrie songs while discussing Marxist politics and the overthrow of the imperialist, capitalist pigs.


23 posted on 02/13/2011 7:15:07 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 27 days from outliving Vince Foster)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Exactly. That’s what the article tells us if we think beyond the words of the author.

FTA: “Evidently, too many coffee shops in town have had their ambience wrecked when itinerant word processors with laptops turn the tables into office space.”


24 posted on 02/13/2011 7:16:20 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: livius

Borders has a slew of problems and a rotten business model.


25 posted on 02/13/2011 7:20:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I'm sure the coffee shops wouldn't mind folks using the devices all day long if those folks generated revenue. Apparently they don't.

Note to the folks who want ambiance with their java: Put your money where your mouths are and spend some.

26 posted on 02/13/2011 7:23:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: RayChuang88
Personally, I'd ban all electronic devices and make people actually talk to each other.
Yeah, I know, human interaction - old fashioned concept.
27 posted on 02/13/2011 7:30:15 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All

Except that trees are renewable and CO2 is not dangerous...


28 posted on 02/13/2011 7:34:28 AM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the party of Amnesty, Abortion, and Adolescence)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Stop talking sense!


29 posted on 02/13/2011 7:35:23 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: RayChuang88

You ban my Kindle - you ban my wallet!


30 posted on 02/13/2011 7:54:47 AM PST by VRWCtaz (America has Zero to be ashamed of.)
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To: RayChuang88
I don't think the issue is any more complicated than a few arrogant, insensitive a-holes ruining it for everyone. When an iPad snob or a person with a Kindle/Nook sits down and orders a latte then proceeds to nurse it for two hours while taking up valuable retail space, the cafe owners are left with little recourse.

However, were it me, I'd get rude to these slobs and ask them to leave after 1 hour and one coffee. Wanna stay? Keep ordering food and beverages.

Just my take.

31 posted on 02/13/2011 8:40:43 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: livius
Interestingly enough, Borders for a number of years teamed up with Amazon when it came to book sales. Borders should have kept that connection, and their stores would have ended up carrying the Kindle three years ago!

As such, Borders' inability to "fall back" on its mail order division and its inability to sell its own branded name of e-book readers will result in that company either being dissolved or bought out by a rival like Barnes & Noble.

32 posted on 02/13/2011 8:52:08 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“The only difference is technology. I no longer have to kill a tree and destroy its ability to scrub harmful CO2 from the atmosphere, which is the reason why its -10 today. “

Lib troll...


33 posted on 02/13/2011 9:17:56 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: RayChuang88

These restaurants and cafes first accommodated PDAs with their free Wi-Fi. Now, it appears that people are squatting in the restaurants, thus limiting the turnover to more paying customers. That might be the problem but it’s the short-sighted hospitality business that invited it.


34 posted on 02/13/2011 9:30:29 AM PST by rabidralph ((Mu)Barak must go!)
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To: goseminoles

“Lib troll...”

Not quite. I should have put the /s tag after that.

My bad.


35 posted on 02/13/2011 10:37:44 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The way to beat a terrorist is to terrorize him.)
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To: Vince Ferrer; Saije
Perhaps it is not the device itself, but using the device for hours which is what the coffee shops don't want.
and
I have to assume that this is because someone using an e-reader sits for a long time sipping on a cup of coffee and taking up a table?

Those are my feelings. All these people getting upset because they can't loiter in a cafe for hours after buying a $2.00 coffee? I don't frequent these places so maybe I'm off base but it seems to me the coffeeshop is there to sell coffee and a tad of ambiance - not to serve as a home away from home. Borders lets you sip a coffee and read a free book - and they're losing their shirts.

To me, a Kindle, etc is a time killer to use on a long journey, waiting at the Drs. office or an airport and not to use in tying up a money-generating space for hours.

36 posted on 02/13/2011 10:41:39 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

:o)


37 posted on 02/13/2011 11:52:15 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: RayChuang88; EggsAckley
Our local Starbuxx alternative provides you with a temporary 2-hour internet access code with purchase.

It's still not rocket surgery.

38 posted on 02/13/2011 11:54:44 AM PST by martin_fierro (Hooray PinkiePie!)
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To: goseminoles
B&N Cafe encourages Nookies.
39 posted on 02/13/2011 11:56:44 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: AFreeBird

“But if I were to bring in a book and spend an hour or so reading it, it would be okay?

What’s the difference?”

With a Kindle it’s not just an hour, it can be all day.


40 posted on 02/13/2011 4:01:50 PM PST by Saije
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