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Norquist critical of Trumpís tariff proposal
Daily Caller ^ | 14 FEB 11 | Will Rahn

Posted on 02/14/2011 4:16:43 PM PST by kbennkc

If Donald Trump is serious about seeking the Republican nomination for president, he may find himself running with little support from the party’s powerful economic conservatives.

Trump has been a vocal advocate in recent weeks for a 25 percent tariff on all Chinese imports, a proposal that influential conservative activist Grover Norquist calls “the worst kind of pandering.”

“The tariffs or the tax increases are what politicians call for when they’re expressing contempt for the American people’s intelligence,” Norquist, the founder of Americans for Tax Reform, told The Daily Caller. “Tariffs are not paid by Chinese people, they are paid by American people who buy Chinese products. It would raise the costs of everything you buy in the store. Most of those things you by from China and because you raised the price of one competitor, everybody else gets to raise their prices too.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: cpac; grovernorquist; norquist; norquist4islam; norquist4romney; tarrif; trump; trumpishired; trumpispatriot
Some of us should listen more to Grover.
1 posted on 02/14/2011 4:16:47 PM PST by kbennkc
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To: kbennkc

I’m still trying to understand why Trump was at CPAC along with a homosexual group which only advocates the queer agenda and then a radcial muslim telling us that the MB is not in America

As for Trump
He is such a phony , the man has told CNN is is more of a Dem, he;s given to Pelosi, Reid and most of his donations have gone to Dems.


2 posted on 02/14/2011 4:19:32 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: kbennkc

Wow. That’s a painful article to read..


3 posted on 02/14/2011 4:24:34 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: kbennkc
We have been listening too much to Grover. He is a cancer on the GOP.

The trouble at CPAC & the real dividing line for conserving America

There is a lot of buzz in the conservative air this week, over what may be considered either corruptive or divisive in the ranks, at the current CPAC conference. From any moment to the next, it may be about one group's promotion of homosexuality, or another man's, Grover Norquist's, apparent Islamist activism, in conjunction with his Muslim wife.

Norquist has done much good, but his aims and influence are exemplary of what is has been harmful and corruptive in conservatism for a very long while. That is not because of his marital relations, but because he is married to unbalanced transnationalism. And though he is touted as a principal force for small government conservatism and big tent unity, he opens the door to the biggest government of all and thus becomes a very divisive factor, indeed. Not to worry though, this is not a personal diatribe. With your permission, a much broader point is to be made, featuring him only for the example.

Knowingly or not, Mr. Norquist is an operative for unifying conservatives to conserve the path to selling out America, by the century old, relativist, communitarian, and globalist model of the likes of Morgan/Rockefeller/H.Ford/Bush. And now, this plan is nearly complete, with George Soros, Maurice Strong, and Ban Ki-moon, two nation destroying Marxists and one more coy in his rhetoric, leading the way. (And as good Marxists, of course they have used their Soviet and Nazi trained Islamists among their many pawns, coincidentally for Norquist — Soviet link — Soviet link — Nazi links.) These globalist Marxists view small government transnationalists as dupes, because that is what they are. And that is so, because where national sovereignty is broken down, global governance is there, to fill the vacuum as if by physics, but please hold that thought.

The fact of Norquist's Islamist activism is just a toss-in, here (chronological links: 1, 2, 3, 4). To wrap-up the distastefully personal display of one man as a prime example of so many who place blind faith in the business is good business, wherever you find it model, still so prevalent in the Republican Party:

He is a longstanding member of the Council on Foreign Relations, which has ceased to be private about its goals of destroying national sovereignty in favor of global government.

While he does not lead with it, behind the curtains, he and his fellow brokers of grass-roots activists' power and twenty-five dollar checks, pull levers in favor of as many globalist trade agreements and policies for the fictitiously extranational status of American-licensed corportions as one can count. (Or, of formerly American businesses.) The excuse for transferring our nation's economic value overseas is always, of course, the big bad liberals' big bad taxes. How much better, when the straw man is a real villain?

Wealth and production dumping to China and favored nation status? Norquist has joked about how he channels the grass-roots stance against that, against itself.

Has he come out against the foreign welfare of Free Trade Zones on American land, as we deteriorate from First World status? One has Web searched and has not found it.

In keeping with the above, he is pro-amnesty for illegal immigrants, which, as James Simpson has explored, is in keeping with the Cloward-Piven model of overrunning the misguided generosity of American government and collapsing it.

How is this irrational habit pattern to be described?

Whether they realize it or not, operators such as this, functionally if not by ideology, are transnational progressives on the vanguard, wolves to herd the sheep. And their big tent is so huge, it stretches over a false vision of a unified yet somehow free world. Such conservatives find themselves supporting communitarians such as George W. Bush, who inadvertently (or by plan from the outset ) wind up supporting more and more suzerainty to world empire. But, if not the wolf and sheep allusion, does it smell fishy?

Transnationalism becomes communitarianism, becomes global communism, as the little fish nations are gobbled up by the manipulative, big fish seekers of absolute, New World Order power; all, while that ultimate power "corrupts absolutely." (If "communism" sounds extreme, just call it collectivism, neo-Marxism, or Marxofascism; it is the same. Or, if you don't like the more recently coined words, find the root and call it Babel.)

4 posted on 02/14/2011 4:32:17 PM PST by kabar
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To: kbennkc; Jim Robinson; ConjunctionJunction; Al B.; SolidWood; Leisler; greyfoxx39; ...
Why exactly do you support Grover Norquist and the CPAC arm which supports
the Islamic invasion, CAIR, Romney, the 911 victory mosque and antiSemitism.

"(at CPAC 2010, the) message there was that "real conservatives" don't support the war
on terror because it is a creation of the "Israeli lobby" - which coalesces with the left-
wing's new anti-Semitism against neoconservatives. Karen Kwiatkowski is a darling of
both the leftist Huffington Post and the anti-Semitic paleocon site Antiwar.com.


…is a board member of the ACU, and from the looks of CPAC's
covered topics and omission of discussion of jihad, it looks as if he exerts enormous
influence over David Keene, the ACU's nominal leader. Norquist and his ally Suhail
Khan seem to be in charge at CPAC - no CPAC event goes on that doesn't reflect their perspective. ….
Grover Norquist's troubling ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known
for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes, who was director of
communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005, are very
active in "Muslim outreach." …..
It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office after the
worst attack ever on American soil. ….
Grover Norquist was on the jihad payroll before and after the carnage and death of
September 11….
Norquist also introduced Nihad Awad, cofounder and executive director of the Council
on American-Islamic Relations, to President Bush. ….
It is no surprise that CPAC 2010, like CPAC 2009, had nothing addressing the war we
are actually engaged in. This is due to the influence of Norquist, Keene, and Suhail Khan,
a CPAC board member. According to Gaffney, Khan "has repeatedly been a featured
speaker at MSA, ISNA and CAIR events" - that is, Muslim Students Association, Islamic
Society of North America, and Council on American-Islamic Relations, three groups
linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, the international Islamic organization dedicated to
establishing the rule of Islamic law and the subjugation of infidels worldwide."



CPAC's Grover Norquist Joins Obama Push For Illegal Alien Amnesty - FR

CPAC's Grover Norquist Joins Obama Push For Illegal Alien Amnesty


CPAC/ACU/CAIR is run by David Keene
involved in Palin-bashing and Romney-care polishing.

""Palin-bashing CPAC/ACU Chair donated $2,000 to Arlen Specter, endorsed Romney""

""Exclusive: Conservative group offers support for $2M"

""Palin rebuffs CPAC, Keene""

"Washington Insider David Keene Disses Governor Palin, Claims to Speak for Grassroots
"Keene's ACU also puts on the annual CPAC conference in Washington.

.In the last three years CPAC has devolved into nothing more than
an annual love fest for the most established of establishment
Republicans, Mitt Romney. It should come as no surprise that David
Keene supported Mitt Romney in 2008. "


"David Keene Endorses Romney"


"ACU President David Keene Endorses Romney
Long courted by Romney, Keene agreed to formalize his endorsement of
the former governor during a face to face meeting in Florida on
Tuesday, according to knowledgeable sources."


"David A. Keene (born May 20, 1945) is the current chairman of the American
Conservative Union, a position which he has held since 1984. Additionally, he is the
managing associate at the Carmen Group Lobbying, a lobbying firm based in
Washington, D.C. In December 2007, Keene endorsed Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. "

5 posted on 02/14/2011 4:32:21 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Diogenesis
Why exactly do you support Grover Norquist and the CPAC arm which supports the Islamic invasion, CAIR, Romney, the 911 victory mosque and antiSemitism

Because I am a secret mooslimb and I want to gay marry you, make you wear a burka and when you do our shopping you will pay 25% less for stuff at Walmart.

6 posted on 02/14/2011 4:36:50 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: kbennkc
Still, I don't see how Norquist’s vague assessment that we need to change the tax code and tweak tort law is going to help us compete with the 2 billion Indian and Chinese workers willing to work for $2.00 a day.
7 posted on 02/14/2011 4:40:39 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: kabar
We have been listening too much to Grover. He is a cancer on the GOP.

Then save the tumor and throw away the patient. The RINO ruling elite infested, spend and spend, TARP sucking, open borders, cowardly, disingenuous GOP can't die soon enough for me.

8 posted on 02/14/2011 4:45:13 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: kbennkc

Trump is right. Tariffs are about the only genuinely constitutional form of revenue for the FedGov - and there’s a reason for that.


9 posted on 02/14/2011 4:47:26 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will believe in abject nonsense.)
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To: kbennkc
I'm not a protectionist (by a long shot), nor do I think tariffs are the appropriate measure to reduce our trade imbalance with China. BUT, it's also ridiculous to believe that our current account deficits are sustainable. They aren't.

I love Adam Smith, but Smith lived in a day where currency was tied to a precious metal. Nation states could not artificially manipulate (read:devalue) their currency the way China does daily. Also, Smith lived in a era where there wasn't the regulatory inequality that is so ubiquitous today.

Lastly, Norquist's statement...

Most of those things you by from China and because you raised the price of one competitor, everybody else gets to raise their prices too.”

...is, in addition to being grammatically awkward (kindly), it is not necessarily true. Price points are set by the market, that's a given. But, Norquist asserts that added cost to the Chinese import will allow the US manufactures to inflate their price on domestically manufactured goods. That's not entirely true. Even with a 25% baseline cost increase, the Chinese will still have (in many product categories) remarkably competitive prices relative to their US competitors - that's how much margin is built into the Chinese product. The down-ward pressure on US manufacturers will still be present, but not as pronounced as it is today.

Again, I'm not saying tariffs are the answer, but I do think we have to have honesty & candor when discussing the problem.

10 posted on 02/14/2011 4:49:46 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: MacMattico
Still, I don't see how Norquist’s vague assessment that we need to change the tax code and tweak tort law is going to help us compete with the 2 billion Indian and Chinese workers willing to work for $2.00 a day.

It won't. But since Norquist is already in the process of selling us out to the Islamoids, why not throw the Indians and Chinese in for good measure?

11 posted on 02/14/2011 4:49:49 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will believe in abject nonsense.)
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To: kbennkc

I am glad that someone, even if it is the ridiculous Trump, is raising the issue of tariffs. The ‘free trade’ crowd is quick to correctly point out that tariffs are a tax on consumers. No kidding. But all taxes have bad effects. An income tax results in there being less of the activity that generates income. A sales tax results in there being less sales. What I never see is the argument made in detail that, for example, the bad effects of an income tax are less bad than than, for example, the bad effects of a tariff. I don’t see a reason to hold tariffs to a different standard than other taxes, all of which ultimately reduce economic activity, and particularly so when the absence of tariffs seems to me to be closely linked to the destruction of the manufacturing sector in the US, with all of the obvious ill effects that flow from that.


12 posted on 02/14/2011 4:51:16 PM PST by Stingray51
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"Tariffs are about the only genuinely constitutional form of revenue for the FedGov"

Yes, originally that is accurate. Your point is, unquestionably, not without merit. Even men who founded a country to, in large part, celebrate free markets, understood that some tariffs were not only allowable, but in some instances, necessary.

13 posted on 02/14/2011 4:53:04 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: kbennkc
Some of us should listen more to Grover.

Never trust a muslim.

14 posted on 02/14/2011 5:00:11 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: OldDeckHand

That’s because they understood that free markets only really “work” when you have a more of less even playing field. Free trade between countries that are roughly even in cost/standard of living, wages, etc. works pretty well, and allows for the sort of efficient specialisation that Ricardo theorises. Free trade between us and Canada, the UK, Germany, etc. has and would continue to stimulate economic growth all around, as well as peaceful relations.

Free trade between countries with grossly disparate wage scales, however, always works to the detriment of the higher-wage nation. That’s why Britain losts its edge - it lost a good share of its manufacturing base in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, ironically, to its own colony in India.

“Free” trade between us and a nation like China that not only has a much lower cost of living and wage scale, but that also gets to push that scale down even more artificially lower through currency devaluation and, well, slave labour, is a recipe for disaster, economically. We cannot be so tied to the pretty theory of “free trade” that we blind ourselves to its realities.


15 posted on 02/14/2011 5:00:59 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will believe in abject nonsense.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Trump said the government could use the revenue collected from the tariffs to pay down the national debt and that it would give the current and future U.S. manufacturers a chance to effectively compete and provide jobs for Americans. It would enhance the quality and safety of the goods that we purchase and reverse the loss of our manufacturing companies.

It would give a resounding “HELL NO” to the NWO elites who are destroying our economy.


16 posted on 02/14/2011 5:07:03 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Obama flips offs conservatives as he reveals his $3.73 trillion budget ($1.65 trillion + DEFICIT))
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To: kbennkc
Norquist is someone we need to shun and embarrass as fast as we can. He goes out of his way to undermine Conservatives every chance he gets. He has questionable allegiance to this country as well. His wife is a muslim and he seems to take pro-muslim stands at the drop of a hat. Then there is immigration...


17 posted on 02/14/2011 5:07:22 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: kbennkc; All

I guess Grover had to break away from his Islamic Terrorist friends to tell us how good Communism works...anyone still supporting Free Trade with Communist China is a Communist

Trump is right on tariffs on Communist China....and actually would be a winning issue against Free Trader Obama.


18 posted on 02/14/2011 5:15:45 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: manc
As for Trump He is such a phony ...

David Brooks, the token "conservative" for the liberal media, had a funny quip on Meet the Press. He said, "Now it seems that Trump has thrown his hair into the ring ...."

19 posted on 02/14/2011 5:16:45 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: kbennkc
Save the tumor? Norquist is a pro-amnesty, open borders, trans-nationalist who could care less about American workers. He is all about the global economy and free trade. Norquist is the quintessential globalist, establishment RINO. Why would you want to save this tumor?
20 posted on 02/14/2011 5:17:47 PM PST by kabar
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To: kbennkc

http://www.cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Republican_Platform_1860.html

12. That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.


21 posted on 02/14/2011 5:34:46 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Diogenesis
Here's an oldie but goodie about Grover Norquist, posted on FreeRepublics by Kattracks, who is no longer with us.

A Troubling Influence - An Islamic Fifth Column penetrates the White House

Norquist's Muslim Protégés

...and one from Michelle Malkin.

What say you now, Grover Norquist

22 posted on 02/14/2011 8:30:35 PM PST by Eva
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To: kbennkc

Trump said he was a Democrat a few years ago. He even donated to DEM 2009. I can’t believe anyone here would seriously entertain the thought of him running as gop nominee


23 posted on 02/14/2011 11:25:49 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: MacMattico

The same way China compete against Zimbawae. If you have a tractor, you can compete against many ppl using shovels


24 posted on 02/14/2011 11:30:40 PM PST by 4rcane
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