Skip to comments.Wind Power FAIL ( Turbines all Froze Up!....too Cold and Wet)
Posted on 02/17/2011 6:31:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Heres the story:
We cant control the weather, Julie Vitek said in an interview from company headquarters in Houston, Texas. Were looking to see if we can cope with it more effectively, through the testing of a couple of techniques.
She says the conditions in northern New Brunswick have wreaked havoc on the wind farm this winter.
For us, cold and dry weather is good and thats whats typical in the region. Cold and wet weather can be a problem without any warmer days to prompt thawing, which has been the case this year.
This weather pattern has been particularly challenging.
Full article here
h/t to a whole bunch of WUWT readers, TomRude being the first.
My favorite line is We cant control the weather, yet the purpose of all these wind farms is supposedly to control the entire climate. Which seems to me a little harder to do.
They probably dont even comprehend the irony of the statement.
Wind turbines. The power source that is never there when you need it most.
Perhaps they should install gas heaters on the windmills to thaw them out. heh heh
Nothing wrong that more money won’t solve like putting heating elements in the blades and buying electricity from Mexico to power them...
“For us, cold and dry weather is good and thats whats typical in the region. Cold and wet weather can be a problem without any warmer days to prompt thawing, which has been the case this year. This weather pattern has been particularly challenging.”
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Start drilling in the Gulf again, please, because wind power is a crock.
Smudgepots! Torches dipped in coal tar! :-)
Owe geez. But their government has their best interests at hand.
Only TeleTubbies believe in wind power.
One tidbit from the article:
“Vitek says workers are trying to find a way to prevent ice buildup from occurring again in the future. The shutdown has not had any effect on employment at the site, which provides 12 permanent jobs.”
Al Gored says:
Just read the whole article. It just gets worse.
But with energy market prices changing constantly, she says theres no way to know if NB Power is paying more or less for replacement power.
It can be more expensive. It can also be cheaper, she says, but fluctuations in production at other sites can make up the difference.
LOL! With management like this, who needs management?
Despite running into problems in consecutive winters, Morton says NB Power doesnt have concerns about the reliability of the supply from the Caribou Mountain site.
How do you spell denial?
David Coon, executive director of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick, says winter tends to bring higher winds to the province, which would push wind farms to produce more power.
He says the problems at Caribou Mountain are confusing, as other projects in cold climates havent had similar ice issues.
Poor Coon. Hes confused. He thinks all cold climates are the same, even, presumably, the warmcold ones.
Smudgepots? I lit my share of them in one year to satisfy me for a lifetime. It’s probably why I prefer a gas grill...
Al Gore will be saying soon that this was caused by global warming.
“We can’t control the weather.”
But we want to spend trillions of dollars trying.
I got a better idea. Return them to Suez.
My wife suggested building a small nuke plant near the windmills and plugging in a bunch of nuclear powered super heater/blowers and blowing them right at the windmills. Not only will it dethaw them but the wind generated will turn the blades and make it even cheaper to run the nuke plant!
With global warming, won’t these concerns become moot?
So wind power doesn’t work exactly when people are snowed or iced in and need power to keep from freezing to death?
Liberals - the ones pushing this garbage - are insane.
No one could have possibly seen this coming. Y'all give 'em a break. Global warming is due to return in the next couple of months and everything will be fine.
I was thinking they could spray the blades with some really expensive, noxious chemicals.
wind farms in winter ... what a disaster!
It is possible to acually use more energy trying to electrically keep ice from forming on the blades than what the windmills generate. It is a farce.
Plus, you have the added cost of running-but-idle (”Spinning”) generation capacity that has to be ready at a seconds notice in case the megawatts from the wind farm fall quickly, or increase quickly. Someone pays the bill to keep all that standby power “spinning”. It is a huge cost.
Wind farms should be outlawed unless they incorporate energy storage (examples - compressed air, potential energy dams, etc). Also, wind farms should never be erected within 12 miles of civilization or livestock ... the low frequency noise is a major health hazard.
Green Energy is like Marxism.
It works in theory; never in the real world.
I suppose this is, to these greenies...”unexpected”?
Maybe they should build some nuclear plants to keep them warm.
Stop this land pollution. Have you seen these eye soars? The generators have to be replaced every 13 months. The kilowatt hour is twice as much as coal and 3 times as much for natural gas generated. Stop this madness quick!!
Believe it or not, reliability of source is considered into the grid rate base for each generation unit. If a coal plant has to come up to compensate for unexpected decrease in supply, it comes out of the wind generator rate. However, they only compensate for the average coal rate for the unit, not the extra costs to bring a plant on line.
Paint it black.
I would say you were wrong and ask you for the source of your info but you would refuse saying that it was my responsibility to provide proof that you were wrong but it is late so I will just say
Re: reliability of source is considered into the grid rate base
Hum, perhaps in some states, but not all. In the analysis of the recent Texas rolling blackouts, it was reported that the 9300 MW of wind energy in Texas was not required to post the same “provide-or-pay” as natural gas or coal generation. This resulted in a burden and cost transfer to the non-wind generation capacity in the state, thus raising the overall rates in the state.
I understand twelve coal fired plants were cancelled in Texas over the past several years, while all the wind power was coming online.
WSJ article on wind not paying their way:
http://www.sourcewatch.org boasts of the following cancelled coal fired plants in Texas:
Big Brown 3
Lake Creek 3
La Porte IGCC Plant
Martin Lake 4
Morgan Creek 3 & 4
Morgan Creek 7
Nueces IGCC Plant
Tradinghouse 3 & 4
Twin Oaks Power Unit 3
TXE Industrial Gasification Facility
If you wait long enough, almost anything can happen. That was a highly unusual event, and reccurence can easily be prevented if they choose to do the work. But wind power is simply not reliable. It can be used as a supplementary source, but no sane power company would use it as a basic source.
And it is more expensive, unless the taxpayes subsidize it.
Drill here, drill now.
LOL, well now there is a no sh*t moment. Producing power is tougher than they thought, you just can't make this stuff up.
“We can’t control the weather.”
Indeed, and that’s a major flaw with “green” energy.
There are other problems, too.
I see it, at best, as a supplement to oil based energies, which we can control.
let’s see now...if the windmills cease to produce electricity a back up coal or nuclear power plant has to be immediately on line to take up the slack....why not eliminate the useless windmills and use the plants that are already there
Talked to a friend that used to work for the power company this week. He said we never did buy power from Mexico during our rolling blackouts. We have the ability, but supposedly the bureaucrats couldn’t come to an agreement.
Hamster cages x12 = wind power?
Sorry the article stated 12 emplyees. Surely they have a backup plan.
last week there was a FR link to a recent Australian publication ...a 110 page pdf file that dealt with sunspots, global cooling and other issues...a great and comprehensive presentation...full of graphs and charts....
I lost the link...anyone can post it...?
thanks in advance.
I think you mean it will thaw them. If you de-thaw you refreeze them.
Because wind is free, abundant and doesn't have to be transported - in theory. Besides wind is much nicer than that old black, smoky coal. Is that racist?
Sorry to hear that.
If you can't control the weather, how do you imagine you are going to control the climate? Which, as I enjoy reminding as many students as possible, is most commonly defined as: the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.
In fact all they need is to use a proper lubricant for that crap. Modern chemistry does wonderful things.
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