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Wind Power FAIL ( Turbines all Froze Up!....too Cold and Wet)
Watts Up With That? ^ | Feb 15, 2011 | Greg Weston

Posted on 02/17/2011 6:31:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Here’s the story:

“We can’t control the weather,” Julie Vitek said in an interview from company headquarters in Houston, Texas. “We’re looking to see if we can cope with it more effectively, through the testing of a couple of techniques.”

She says the conditions in northern New Brunswick have wreaked havoc on the wind farm this winter.

“For us, cold and dry weather is good and that’s what’s typical in the region. Cold and wet weather can be a problem without any warmer days to prompt thawing, which has been the case this year.

“This weather pattern has been particularly challenging.”

Full article here

h/t to a whole bunch of WUWT readers, “TomRude” being the first.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Weather
KEYWORDS: cleanenergy; climatechange; epicfail; globalwarminghoax; windpower
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1 posted on 02/17/2011 6:31:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Brad's Gramma; ...

fyi


2 posted on 02/17/2011 6:32:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; ...
Thanx Ernest !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 02/17/2011 6:35:36 PM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: All
From the comments:

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erfiebob says:

February 17, 2011 at 11:13 am

My favorite line is “We can’t control the weather”, yet the purpose of all these wind farms is supposedly to control the entire climate. Which seems to me a little harder to do.

They probably don’t even comprehend the irony of the statement.

4 posted on 02/17/2011 6:36:35 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wind turbines. The power source that is never there when you need it most.


5 posted on 02/17/2011 6:36:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Perhaps they should install gas heaters on the windmills to thaw them out. heh heh


6 posted on 02/17/2011 6:37:08 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; SouthTexas

Nothing wrong that more money won’t solve like putting heating elements in the blades and buying electricity from Mexico to power them...


7 posted on 02/17/2011 6:39:38 PM PST by tubebender (The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in Eureka...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“For us, cold and dry weather is good and that’s what’s typical in the region. Cold and wet weather can be a problem without any warmer days to prompt thawing, which has been the case this year. This weather pattern has been particularly challenging.”

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Start drilling in the Gulf again, please, because wind power is a crock.


8 posted on 02/17/2011 6:39:43 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: tubebender

Smudgepots! Torches dipped in coal tar! :-)


9 posted on 02/17/2011 6:41:19 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Owe geez. But their government has their best interests at hand.


10 posted on 02/17/2011 6:42:06 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: goldi

Only TeleTubbies believe in wind power.


11 posted on 02/17/2011 6:42:18 PM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

One tidbit from the article:

“Vitek says workers are trying to find a way to prevent ice buildup from occurring again in the future. The shutdown has not had any effect on employment at the site, which provides 12 permanent jobs.”


12 posted on 02/17/2011 6:42:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clive

Ping.


13 posted on 02/17/2011 6:42:41 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Marine_Uncle
From the comments:

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Al Gored says:

February 17, 2011 at 12:36 pm

Just read the whole article. It just gets worse.

“But with energy market prices changing constantly, she says there’s no way to know if NB Power is paying more or less for replacement power.

“It can be more expensive. It can also be cheaper,” she says, but fluctuations in production at other sites can make up the difference.”

LOL! With management like this, who needs management?

“Despite running into problems in consecutive winters, Morton says NB Power doesn’t have concerns about the reliability of the supply from the Caribou Mountain site.”

How do you spell ‘denial’?

“David Coon, executive director of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick, says winter tends to bring higher winds to the province, which would push wind farms to produce more power.

He says the problems at Caribou Mountain are confusing, as other projects in cold climates haven’t had similar ice issues.”

Poor Coon. He’s confused. He thinks all “cold” climates are the same, even, presumably, the warmcold ones.

14 posted on 02/17/2011 6:44:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Army Air Corps

Smudgepots? I lit my share of them in one year to satisfy me for a lifetime. It’s probably why I prefer a gas grill...


15 posted on 02/17/2011 6:45:32 PM PST by tubebender (The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in Eureka...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Al Gore will be saying soon that this was caused by global warming.

“We can’t control the weather.”

But we want to spend trillions of dollars trying.


16 posted on 02/17/2011 6:45:57 PM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
GDF SUEZ Energy, the company that owns and operates the site, is working to return the windmills to working order, a spokeswoman says.

I got a better idea. Return them to Suez.

17 posted on 02/17/2011 6:48:41 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: upsdriver
Perhaps they should install gas heaters on the windmills to thaw them out. heh heh

My wife suggested building a small nuke plant near the windmills and plugging in a bunch of nuclear powered super heater/blowers and blowing them right at the windmills. Not only will it dethaw them but the wind generated will turn the blades and make it even cheaper to run the nuke plant!

18 posted on 02/17/2011 6:50:44 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

With global warming, won’t these concerns become moot?


19 posted on 02/17/2011 6:51:38 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So wind power doesn’t work exactly when people are snowed or iced in and need power to keep from freezing to death?

Yup.

Liberals - the ones pushing this garbage - are insane.


20 posted on 02/17/2011 6:52:09 PM PST by piytar (Obastard is a use of the term "bastard" in the literal sense -- Obama is hiding his daddy's identity)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“We can’t control the weather,” Julie Vitek said in an interview from company headquarters in Houston, Texas.
21 posted on 02/17/2011 6:52:50 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wind Power FAIL ( Turbines all Froze Up!....too Cold and Wet)

No one could have possibly seen this coming. Y'all give 'em a break. Global warming is due to return in the next couple of months and everything will be fine.

22 posted on 02/17/2011 6:55:17 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: upsdriver

I was thinking they could spray the blades with some really expensive, noxious chemicals.


23 posted on 02/17/2011 7:05:22 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Wind power, as in gigantic wind-up torsion spring-powered rotors, might be a better idea than those things. Imagine how many workers you'd have keeping them all wound up 24/7/365!
24 posted on 02/17/2011 7:10:40 PM PST by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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To: tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SouthTexas

wind farms in winter ... what a disaster!

It is possible to acually use more energy trying to electrically keep ice from forming on the blades than what the windmills generate. It is a farce.

Plus, you have the added cost of running-but-idle (”Spinning”) generation capacity that has to be ready at a seconds notice in case the megawatts from the wind farm fall quickly, or increase quickly. Someone pays the bill to keep all that standby power “spinning”. It is a huge cost.

Wind farms should be outlawed unless they incorporate energy storage (examples - compressed air, potential energy dams, etc). Also, wind farms should never be erected within 12 miles of civilization or livestock ... the low frequency noise is a major health hazard.


25 posted on 02/17/2011 7:11:22 PM PST by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Green Energy is like Marxism.

It works in theory; never in the real world.


26 posted on 02/17/2011 7:12:29 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I suppose this is, to these greenies...”unexpected”?


27 posted on 02/17/2011 7:13:08 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: Cicero
Wind turbines. The power source that is never there when you need it most.In the recent Houston freeze, about 80 coal and NG plants went down. Nuclear and wind generators kept on pumping ...
28 posted on 02/17/2011 7:13:27 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Maybe they should build some nuclear plants to keep them warm.


29 posted on 02/17/2011 7:13:44 PM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: SeeSac

Stop this land pollution. Have you seen these eye soars? The generators have to be replaced every 13 months. The kilowatt hour is twice as much as coal and 3 times as much for natural gas generated. Stop this madness quick!!


30 posted on 02/17/2011 7:17:05 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Nobel_1
Wind farms should be outlawed unless they incorporate energy storage (examples - compressed air, potential energy dams, etc).

Believe it or not, reliability of source is considered into the grid rate base for each generation unit. If a coal plant has to come up to compensate for unexpected decrease in supply, it comes out of the wind generator rate. However, they only compensate for the average coal rate for the unit, not the extra costs to bring a plant on line.

31 posted on 02/17/2011 7:17:46 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Paint it black.


32 posted on 02/17/2011 7:18:50 PM PST by BBell
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To: Benchim
The generators have to be replaced every 13 months. The kilowatt hour is twice as much as coal and 3 times as much for natural gas generated.

I would say you were wrong and ask you for the source of your info but you would refuse saying that it was my responsibility to provide proof that you were wrong but it is late so I will just say

BS!

33 posted on 02/17/2011 7:31:04 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

Re: reliability of source is considered into the grid rate base

Hum, perhaps in some states, but not all. In the analysis of the recent Texas rolling blackouts, it was reported that the 9300 MW of wind energy in Texas was not required to post the same “provide-or-pay” as natural gas or coal generation. This resulted in a burden and cost transfer to the non-wind generation capacity in the state, thus raising the overall rates in the state.

I understand twelve coal fired plants were cancelled in Texas over the past several years, while all the wind power was coming online.

Wind info:
http://windpowerfacts.info/

WSJ article on wind not paying their way:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704188104575083982637451248.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org boasts of the following cancelled coal fired plants in Texas:

Cancelled:
Big Brown 3
Lake Creek 3
La Porte IGCC Plant
Martin Lake 4
Monticello 4
Morgan Creek 3 & 4
Morgan Creek 7
Nueces IGCC Plant
Tradinghouse 3 & 4
Twin Oaks Power Unit 3
TXE Industrial Gasification Facility
Valley 4


34 posted on 02/17/2011 7:33:52 PM PST by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: SeeSac

If you wait long enough, almost anything can happen. That was a highly unusual event, and reccurence can easily be prevented if they choose to do the work. But wind power is simply not reliable. It can be used as a supplementary source, but no sane power company would use it as a basic source.

And it is more expensive, unless the taxpayes subsidize it.


35 posted on 02/17/2011 7:39:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"He says the problems at Caribou Mountain are confusing, as other projects in cold climates haven’t had similar ice issues."
What is he going to think over the next ten or twenty years when his country is slowly encased in ice and snow as the patterns shift. Poor bastards are not to bright. And certainly not leaders of any caliber. Their as stupid as the jerks in Europe and the USA.
36 posted on 02/17/2011 7:41:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Drill here, drill now.


37 posted on 02/17/2011 7:42:45 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"“We can’t control the weather,” Julie Vitek

LOL, well now there is a no sh*t moment. Producing power is tougher than they thought, you just can't make this stuff up.

38 posted on 02/17/2011 7:52:24 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“We can’t control the weather.”

Indeed, and that’s a major flaw with “green” energy.

There are other problems, too.

I see it, at best, as a supplement to oil based energies, which we can control.


39 posted on 02/17/2011 8:01:16 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

let’s see now...if the windmills cease to produce electricity a back up coal or nuclear power plant has to be immediately on line to take up the slack....why not eliminate the useless windmills and use the plants that are already there


40 posted on 02/17/2011 8:19:12 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
like the LED traffic lights that freeze over with snow cause they aren't hot enough to melt the snow
41 posted on 02/17/2011 8:34:24 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Talked to a friend that used to work for the power company this week. He said we never did buy power from Mexico during our rolling blackouts. We have the ability, but supposedly the bureaucrats couldn’t come to an agreement.


42 posted on 02/17/2011 9:09:11 PM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: Cicero

Hamster cages x12 = wind power?


43 posted on 02/17/2011 9:33:51 PM PST by Nooseman (mutt)
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To: Nooseman

Sorry the article stated 12 emplyees. Surely they have a backup plan.


44 posted on 02/17/2011 9:38:08 PM PST by Nooseman (mutt)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Hi Ernest....all

last week there was a FR link to a recent Australian publication ...a 110 page pdf file that dealt with sunspots, global cooling and other issues...a great and comprehensive presentation...full of graphs and charts....

I lost the link...anyone can post it...?

thanks in advance.

45 posted on 02/17/2011 11:23:40 PM PST by spokeshave (WTF....the only thing 0bambi's investments will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy.)
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To: DouglasKC
Not only will it dethaw them ...

I think you mean it will thaw them. If you de-thaw you refreeze them.

46 posted on 02/18/2011 3:31:31 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: terycarl
... why not eliminate the useless windmills and use the plants that are already there

Because wind is free, abundant and doesn't have to be transported - in theory. Besides wind is much nicer than that old black, smoky coal. Is that racist?

47 posted on 02/18/2011 3:51:42 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

48 posted on 02/18/2011 4:10:39 AM PST by TheOldLady ("20 Years Ago Desert Storm began...where were you...?" "I believe I was hitting it." - Lazamataz)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“We can’t control the weather”

Oh.

Sorry to hear that.
If you can't control the weather, how do you imagine you are going to control the climate? Which, as I enjoy reminding as many students as possible, is most commonly defined as: the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity, precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughout the year, averaged over a series of years.

49 posted on 02/18/2011 5:05:16 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (Unstoppable Global Warming--Every 1500 Years. S Fred Singer, et al)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

In fact all they need is to use a proper lubricant for that crap. Modern chemistry does wonderful things.


50 posted on 02/18/2011 7:15:56 AM PST by cunning_fish
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