Skip to comments.The Argument for Girl-Boy Wrestling
Posted on 02/23/2011 10:34:48 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
When my friend posted a link to the story of Joel Northrup the 16-year-old Iowa wrestler who defaulted rather than wrestle a girl, Cassy Herkelman, in a state tournament last week I was floored when my athletic, competitive friend said she had mixed emotions about his decision. I imagine this friend, had she pursued wrestling and not track and field in high school, wouldve wanted the opportunity to wrestle. Even if it meant competing against the boys.
My reaction to this story was decidedly unmixed. I think Joel should have wrestled Cassy.
Not that I dont get some of the issues at play here. I understand that teenage boys, as a rule, are stronger than teenage girls. I understand that boys wrestling girls could introduce some sexual awkwardness. I agree that the best-case scenario would be for Cassy to be able to wrestle in an all-girls wrestling conference.
But in this world, best-case scenarios almost never exist. So our job as Christians is to figure out how best to live and behave in these broken scenarios, how to be salt and light in every arena.
Which brings me back to Joel, since he cited his Christian faith as reason to default.
In his statement, Joel said, Wrestling is a combat sport and it can get violent at times. As a matter of conscience and my faith I do not believe that it is appropriate for a boy to engage a girl in this manner....
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.christianitytoday.com ...
There is a wide variety of opinions following this article.
Didn’t Christianity Today use to be a Christian publication? When did they start advocating porn?
Are you a blog pimp? Why didn’t you just post the article?
No matter. Who cares what their analysis is. What matters is mine.
(Egotistical little bugger, aint I?)
This whole boy/girl wrestling debacle is a simple matter of femi-nazis trying to gain control over men. This is simply a power play to “prove” that women are equal to men. If not superior. That girls can do anything a boy can.
It’s a political game.
Based on this - we should ignore these nags and hags. Don’t wrestle girls. Don’t fall victim to the goals of NOW and other leftist loonies.
It would suck to get your butt kicked in wrestling by a girl.
I think they should institute mud wrestling.
Christianity Today can only be excerpted. I’m not a pimp, I’m a ho.
In fact, girls and boys shouldn't even have a choice in this, as their cultural misconceptions need to be “normalized”. Just strip them all down and have them wrestle. Who could possibly complain about such an empowering exercise in sex neutral recreation? And get rid of the separate locker rooms, which are just encouraging girls and boys to be overly modest.
I mean this in the most respective way and really don’t mind playing sports with girls, but I really do not like playing competitive sports with girls. You play too hard and you are a jerk for playing hard against a girl. You play to soft and she looks better then you and you get blasted for that. It’s a no win.
I was visiting a football message board and this topic came up.
One of the posters relayed a story about a friend of his who was put in a similar situation.
His friend was an All-State wrestler and because of all the PC nonsense was slated to wrestle a girl.
The wrestler started the match and proceeded to DESTROY the young girl, hurting and humiliating her....she never wrestled again.
Perhaps this young lady will come across someone with a similar mindset and re-think her foolish notion that she is equal to boys in every endeavour....
Our creator made us very different and with good reason.
To ignore this difference is insulting to God.
Sorry, a boy hs NOTHING to gain in a vctory, and everthing to lose in a defeat. That’s reality. Is it worth the potential humiliation of a boy who is expected to become a responsible husband and father one day. I coached baseball, and I’d resign before I ever played a girl ahead of any boy. Males have very fragile egos when it comes to being physically whipped by a girl. That’s an immutable fact, like it or not. Bob
The boy is always in a no-win situation. When he wins - he beat a girl. When he loses - he lost to a girl.
Either way, he doesn’t win.
Good for you. That is one of the best rejoinders I’ve seen in a long, long time.
That's pretty much what I said isn't it? And don't call me Bob. ;^)
Then, Caryn, it's a good thing you didn't have the final decision.
This kid had something like a 35 - 4 record. I don't think losing to a 25 - 13 opponent was a big concern.
Mud wrestling! Put my vote in for mud wrestling.
Mainstream Christianity in the US today has become a caricature.
Hey we had boy/girl wrestling when I was in High school!
Okay, it was usually after school and the girl was sometimes a reluctant participant.
We called it “dating”!
Do we let males and females directly compete in baseball, softball, basketball, football, soccer, etc? Even in non contact sports such as golf or tennis women have their own teams. Why is wrestling different? Why is it ok to make boys uncomfortable in a sport for the benefit of a few girls who want to participate? If there aren’t enough females interested to form their own conference, too bad.
Skeeter, a loss would be humiliating, period. It matters not that he probably would have won. He had NOTHING to gain, and I frankly think it’s a little weird for any guy to WANT to wrestle a girl. BTW, assuming that her 25 wins were victories over boys, there are 25 boys who will remember their humiliation for a lifetime. Wonder why there are so many men who resent women? It starts when there is not a healthy respect and separation between sexes. Bob
The corollary to that is that either way, she wins.
I've got no problem with boys and girls competing in non-contact sports and there are plenty of them-- softball, tennis, ping-pong, baseball.
But I see no way to take down a girl without there being a sexual connotation.
The article purports to be a Christian rebuttal to the reasoning of the boy for not wrestling the girl. BUT, she offers absolutly no scripture to back up her position. Towards the end she cites a couple of verses but they have noting to do with this issue. She completely fails to address the “weaker vessel” argument which the boy was obviously relying on. All the article covers are the author’s “feelings” about the matter. In the end her argument is that the boy was wrong because she says so.
I agree, I’m just saying I think we should take this kid at his word - it was his understanding of the requirements of his faith that compelled him.
I should add that physical separation is esp. important to boys in their formative years, and much less important in a softball and tennis league in later years. Bob
If we're ever going to “normalize” them, they need to be completely “normalized”.
Enough of all this false modesty and prudery.
After all this isn't the Middle Ages; it's the Century of the Fruit Bat, so let's make them act like it!
I replied to the wrong posting, Bob. LOL Sorry!
Nailed it; and it’s probably also all about Title IX and sports funding so let’s face the truth. If they “mix” the wrestling the boys will do what they almost always do.....walk away and then it’ll be an all girl sport and then, just like “girls” basketball, we know “who” will come out on top of that such that it’ll be “Gay Girls” wrestling, but by way of Title IX, they’ll be able to show some parity thing under a formula. And it may well be driven by the football coaches who are under ever more “dollar” pressure. Who knows.
must be one of those bizzaro womyn wryters.
I have taken the opposing argument on another thread about this. But if the boy defaults based on his religious convictions, that’s fine. But please don’t use the excuse of “fragile egos”. That’s insulting. Those same fagile egos will likely have to compete against women in certain jobs in the future. If these fragile egos can’t handle it, too damn bad.
Not my term. IMO teen male egos are no more fragile than those of their female counterparts.
Shirley, you jest. It made sense even if it wasn’t meant for me. I just thought you were taking a contrary position. Which would be apropo of wrestling. lol
By that logic male vs. male wrestling has homosexual connotations.
Understand skeeter. Just picked it up via your comment. Rhetorically, if the girl had won the title in her weight class, these fragile egos who lost wouldn’t be so traumatized. I know how the sport works.
“But please dont use the excuse of fragile egos. Thats insulting. Those same fagile egos will likely have to compete against women in certain jobs in the future. If these fragile egos cant handle it, too damn bad.”
It’s always the boys that have to sacrifice because females want to intrude on their activity. Why is it never “too damn bad” that girls cant find enough wrestlers to form their own conference?
Agreed. I am amazed at how many posters think this is a sexual interaction rather than simply a competition between people of the opposite sex.
Point well taken.
The writer misses the point. It is HIS choice to wrestle, or not, and take the consequences. Which he did.
She is wrong in saying that he should have decided differently. She has no dog in this hunt.
Christians are not in the business of affording opportunity to others where we are obliged to give up our own core beliefs.
Cuz then they’d be lesbians? j/k
Sometimes it does. I saw this among some of my acquaintances in junior high school. I never wanted anything to do with wrestling after that.
They weren’t really competitively wrestling then. It’s hard to get turned on when your head is being ground into the mat or your shoulder is in the process of being dislocated. At least it wasn’t exciting to me in that way.
You’re right about that. While I certainly understand the instinctual, competitive nature of impromptu “wrestling” among young men, I was always a bit unnerved at the organized variety. I suppose it is one of the “purer” athletic endeavors, but I’d rather tango with a lady in bed than a boy on a mat.
“When Joel refused to wrestle Cassy, he took an opportunity away from her. An opportunity for her to shine using her own God-given strength and ability. An opportunity to win or lose, fair and square.”
What about what Cassy took from Joel by inserting herself into a traditionally male sport and creating an unnecessary moral dilema? Seems rather selfish for her to make everyone else uncomfortable and have to adapt for her benefit. I applaud the young man for not abandoning his principles for the sake of a cheap, meaningless HS trophy.
Exactly. My husband is a wrestling coach and has told his guys he will never make them wrestle a girl.
1. With or without the chin strap, the wrestling uniform look probably doesn't do it for most high school boys. I don't see any significant risk of sexual attraction during a match, regardless of how rough or soft she is in terms of her technique.
2. I don't see this as an appropriate coed sport. If the school system wants her to wrestle, they can create a girls' wrestling league, even if she's the only athlete in her league.
3. I would not blame a guy who went all out against her, nor would I blame a guy who refused to wrestle her. I also would hope that most high school guys are not so delicate that they would fall to pieces if she beat them (it's probably the guy's first match against a girl, where she's used to wrestling guys).
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