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Slate ^ | Feb. 25, 2011 | Mark Regnerus

Posted on 03/01/2011 4:34:44 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: mamelukesabre

Sexual immorality is up near the top of the list of character destroyers. And those who habitually practice it usually develop or have other grave flaws as well.

People who use others sexually devoid of marital commitment see others - any others - as objects to use and discard when no longer useful. Hearts become coarse, calloused, hard, then cruel.


51 posted on 03/01/2011 5:31:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tax-chick

Consider that stolen! LOL!


52 posted on 03/01/2011 5:31:16 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: fr_freak
Hope you got that saddled pulled real tight so you don't fall off your high horse

Of course I raised my sons to be men doesn't mean that have not learned a few lessons the hard way

The oldest is married now to a fine women and have a great marriage with two children tool him about 5 years to figure dad was right

The second has sworn off women after being burned one too many times

The third is a hopeless case

The fourth has seen his brothers BS they have to put up with and will drop a girl after the first date when she starts the manipulations

I for one am glad your offspring are perfect makes life so easy I am jealous of you / s

53 posted on 03/01/2011 5:34:39 PM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

‘And that’s what more and more of them are doing. Peter Pans, Failed males.’

In other words, Charlie Sheen. At his age, George Washington had just finished the winter at Valley Forge. Washington, the old American hero — Sheen, the new American hero.


54 posted on 03/01/2011 5:35:55 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: Huck
In one frequently cited study, attractive young researchers separately approached opposite-sex strangers on Florida State University's campus and proposed casual sex. Three-quarters of the men were game, but not one woman said yes.

That doesn't prove women don't want casual sex. It proves that women are smart enough to know that situation proposed is very dangerous.

Now, it may be true that women don't want casual sex as much as men, but THAT study does not prove that. THAT study proves that the 'researchers' are idiots.

55 posted on 03/01/2011 5:40:03 PM PST by Lorianne (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ___ George Orwell)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Actually muslims are not paragons of virtue in the marriage department.

Porn searches are highest in the Muslim middle east. They are polygamous. They have houris. The think sex with men somehow doesn’t count. They can divorce by announcing it. They can abuse their wives without sanction. They can get temporary one hour divorces and remarriages so they can commit adultery. And they are motivated to suicide for the promise of a bunch of virgin sex servicers.

Not one iota similar to the Christian version of marriage.


56 posted on 03/01/2011 5:42:35 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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57 posted on 03/01/2011 5:43:01 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Popman

At this point in time, most young girls present an unappealing choice for many young men.

The terms for him are that he must accept her bi-racial child from a previous relationship and all that entails. He must tolerate her insufferable friends. Be the worker bee of the chore of the moment.

Most young males say “no thanks”


58 posted on 03/01/2011 5:44:19 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Would you hitch your wagon to a competitive scold who would take half of everything you have and then some, who could more or less enslave you to pay for their support after taking off for any reason at all better than half the time, and who has an increasing propensity to ruin your reputation out of sheer spite by fictionalizing child sexual abuse charges in order to gain sole custody of any children?’

What are your options then:

-stay single
-fornicate and hope no children or STDs result

I mean really, some marriages are very nice and do work out. Some wives are indeed horrible but so are some husbands. We all take a risk when we marry.


59 posted on 03/01/2011 5:44:34 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The basis of the article is wrong. Therefore the conclusions are meaningless.
60 posted on 03/01/2011 5:44:34 PM PST by grapeape (Blitzshield.com - making football safer)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My view?

Just further proof than humanity is fallen.


61 posted on 03/01/2011 5:46:33 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Persevero

A really good prenup, premarital property held in trust and a woman from a culture that actually values motherhood and raising children over competing with men ... that might work.


62 posted on 03/01/2011 5:48:19 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: fr_freak

My total guess is that Popman (don’t know him) has less sympathy for his sons’ wives or girlfriends because he is not in love with them.

I have seen fathers-in-law take a very dim view of their daughters-in-law. In my opinion they are often too hard. They are not charmed or impressed by her youth or her beauty, and will ascribe mistakes, idiosyncracies and occasional excesses to great evil mastermind plots. It is not always so.

The girl is young, the son is young, they will both take advantage of each other to some extent without being insatiably evil. If the son is happy and not being robbed blind, let him enjoy his wife and don’t be suspicious of every thing she does. She’ll be raising your grandchildren. Be nice.


63 posted on 03/01/2011 5:49:19 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Great deal if your in the top 20% sucks for the rest of them but this is the world that women have created. Thank God for all the social safety nets and outrageous child support payments that make all of this possible, otherwise there might be a return to some semblance of sanity.

You got it.

Millennia ago, a system was invented which resulted in men getting motivated to build civilizations. This system was called "patriarchy" by some. It involved making sure that any productive male had a chance to acquire a wife, and that wife would provide him with children who he could have reasonably high confidence of being his. In exchange for this, men would work hard to provide for their wives and offspring, and in so doing would create a viable civilization. The way this was accomplished was by restricting the Alpha Males to only having one woman. Maybe a wife and one mistress if he's really wealthy. The women then had to make their best deal at an early age, and stick with who they chose.

See, here's a fact of life with respect to civilizations: in the absence of a wife and offspring worth providing for, a man generally has little motivation to work more than is needed to procure basic food and shelter, and purchase entertainment (which might include some purchased female companionship). You see the phenomenon in full bloom in our "inner cities".

Women are a big part of the work force, but are severely under-represented in the jobs that actually are vital to keeping the civilization running. If men are not motivated to wok hard to keep things going, they might just decide to shrug -- to just let it all fall down and laugh at the show it makes when it crashes.

Rent "Fight Club" sometime for a view of what happens when men get sufficiently alienated.

64 posted on 03/01/2011 5:49:22 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Persevero

‘Not one iota similar to the Christian version of marriage.’

Didn’t imply that it was. If high status Muslim men have dozens of children, and monopolize the most desirable women, and similar American non-Muslim men have one or no children, and you continue this for centuries, you get the transformation of the Eastern Roman Empire into the Caliphate.


65 posted on 03/01/2011 5:51:08 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

put her to work and go fishing!!


66 posted on 03/01/2011 5:53:17 PM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

“If high status Muslim men have dozens of children, and monopolize the most desirable women, and similar American non-Muslim men have one or no children, and you continue this for centuries, you get the transformation of the Eastern Roman Empire into the Caliphate.”

Yes, that’s assuming no other conditions.

I know birthrate has a big impact.

But polygamy does not work, mathematically. There are not enough wives for the men within a generation. The boys get essentially thrown out.

Also, practicing Muslims marry their cousins a lot and that creates many problems.

Also, the use of houris and lots of homo sex makes STDs rampant, which of course result in death and sterility.

Also, the jihad mentality means a lot of men get lost in war.

So there are other factors than just the high status Muslim.


67 posted on 03/01/2011 5:57:27 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But aren’t there some men who have careers and work hard anyway, even if it is only for themselves? Smart guys will realize they will need money in old age.


68 posted on 03/01/2011 5:57:57 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: RegulatorCountry

You nailed it!


69 posted on 03/01/2011 6:02:59 PM PST by MBB1984
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To: Huck
Women hold all the cards. It's all their fault. >>>>>> If women withheld something else before they got married, things would be a lot better.
70 posted on 03/01/2011 6:03:38 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: Persevero

‘There are not enough wives for the men within a generation. The boys get essentially thrown out. . . . . the jihad mentality means a lot of men get lost in war.’

So one of the problems leads to its own solution, with the side benefit of large armies, whose soldiers can die without leaving orphans. This process worked pretty well to transform the people of North Africa, Asia Minor, the Middle East, Central and much of South and Southeast Asia, Malaysia and Indonesia (most populous of all Muslim countries) from non-Muslim to Muslim, in only 1000 years.


71 posted on 03/01/2011 6:06:52 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: proxy_user

‘Smart guys will realize they will need money in old age.’

We are talking Obama voters here, proxy.


72 posted on 03/01/2011 6:08:23 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: Tax-chick
Nine children are pretty expensive.

Only to us taxpayers, who end up paying for the unwed offspring of the "protected class (baby daddies)," who the government rarely goes after for child support payments (of course they'll come after the rest of us with the full power of the State, should we dare procreate and not stay chained to the mother until they are 18 yrs old.)

No wonder the demographics favor the "protected classes" over what used to be Joe Average American - the economics of the family unit are unfavorable by government design. They are driving America into the socioeconomic model of the 3rd world.

73 posted on 03/01/2011 6:11:37 PM PST by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Hmph!! For us older guys, sex is INCREDIBLY expensive!


74 posted on 03/01/2011 6:13:10 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: trapped_in_LA
Much truth there; an ugly truth.

I'm in a contented, fond and respectful marriage, by grace alone. But looking around me, I see men angry at all womankind; women angry at all mankind. Peace-love-joy-happiness at an all-time low. Cynicism, callousness, and contempt all around. And they say the Sexual Revolution was a bloodless revolution? What a debacle.

75 posted on 03/01/2011 6:13:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (No, I'm not kidding.)
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To: Huck

For the most part, you are right.

Feminism was not about empowering women, it was about making them cheap sluts.


76 posted on 03/01/2011 6:26:34 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mamelukesabre

“Men are but useful objects to be molded and manipulated.”

It would seem that way. But they’re not entirely stupid: note the drop in marriage rates. On the one hand, by staying single they can play the field. On the other hand, if they get married the potential economic penalties (marriage tax, so-called family courts, loss of assets if marriage fails) are dramatic.

The irony is that women’s liberation ended up liberating men instead.


77 posted on 03/01/2011 6:45:53 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: Ouderkirk

“The world today teaches males at a young age that women have “options”, men have obligations.”

Yup. And men are reacting predictably: they’re going on strike. None dare call what’s happening a marriage strike, but at it’s heart, that’s what it is.


78 posted on 03/01/2011 6:49:16 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Post of the day....


79 posted on 03/01/2011 6:51:07 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: mamelukesabre

I can only say that I am tired of being nothing more than a boy toy for hundreds of beautiful women.


80 posted on 03/01/2011 6:56:33 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Mrs. Don-o; fieldmarshaldj; wardaddy

“The only difference between free sex and prostitution is that free sex is ultimately more expensive.” -— Clemenza’s dad


81 posted on 03/01/2011 6:58:07 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: PapaBear3625
The "Mr Big" type from Sex and the City

He was a cutie when he was Detective Logan in "Law & Order," and also in "The Rough Riders," where he played a scion of the Wadsworth family. But he aged BAD.

I hate myself for knowing this stuff.

82 posted on 03/01/2011 7:01:52 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sexual addictions abound in the world...if anyone reading this would like to be free of there enslavement...go to fhu.com and download the Be still and know exercise. It is truly a miracle.


83 posted on 03/01/2011 7:04:29 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: boop
If he’s in his 50’s, ugly as hell, but RICH, he’ll have his pick of the litter.

If he wants to stay rich, he'll let somebody else pick up the litter.

84 posted on 03/01/2011 7:05:55 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: TSgt

Enjoy! The photographer got an excellent focus on the claws.


85 posted on 03/01/2011 7:06:35 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Tax-chick
I’ve always heard that women give sex to get love and men give love to get sex.

This common line displays a deprecatory perception of men.

It's not so flattering of women either.

Of course, like stereotypes, it is a common line because there is a grain of truth in it.

86 posted on 03/01/2011 7:11:20 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Ouderkirk

Yep bingo. Any intelligent young male knows not to take an American lady seriously. My older brother is happily married to a Mexican woman.


87 posted on 03/01/2011 7:13:43 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Tax-chick
But the kind of man who wants "cheap sex" does not want nine children. Or at least he doesn't want to raise nine children.

I notice that in quite a few responses there is a lot of "woe is me I am a poor abused victim" from several males.

Whining and playing the victim is not attractive. However, since most of them whine how everybody is picking on them while at the same time claiming that they are not whining, it can be amusing.

88 posted on 03/01/2011 7:19:30 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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To: seowulf
it is a common line because there is a grain of truth in it.

We all have a a fallen nature, but we can choose to aim higher, or we can excuse ourselves, imagining we're just apes.

89 posted on 03/01/2011 7:20:12 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

***** “Cheap women are like cheap beer, and I’ve never had a taste for either.” ******

Odd.... I noticed that too! I have found that Cheap Beer and Cheap women are often found at the same location.

Some days are Diamond.. Some days are Gold .. others are spent at the Tavern.

TT


90 posted on 03/01/2011 7:20:29 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I got your Alla Akbar and your 72 Virgins... when ya wanna meet up?)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The irony is that women’s liberation ended up liberating men instead.
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only the ones that don’t want kids.


91 posted on 03/01/2011 7:23:31 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I find some inconsistency: there’s lots of railing about “feminism” from men, and yet the laws and customs they dislike were enacted or accommodated by men. The laws particularly: men vastly outnumber women as legislators and judges.

There’s a very common complaint that men, and particularly husbands/fathers, are negatively portrayed in tv programs and commercials, and yet, men never need to watch these things. I don’t. The only time I see commercial television is in the doctor’s waiting room, and I always have some schoolwork preparation or correspondence with me so I don’t have to look.


92 posted on 03/01/2011 7:24:39 PM PST by Tax-chick (James is still hungry.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Please add me to your Ping List


93 posted on 03/01/2011 7:26:46 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I got your Alla Akbar and your 72 Virgins... when ya wanna meet up?)
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To: trimom; Mrs. Don-o
My husband has long said women control half the money and all the, well, another word for a cat.....

Mouser?

94 posted on 03/01/2011 7:29:13 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Tax-chick
We all have a a fallen nature, but we can choose to aim higher, or we can excuse ourselves, imagining we're just apes.

Very true. It is sad that that common line is common. It doesn't have to be.

The relentless propaganda tells us we are just another animal, the hairless ape, and too many have bought the lie.

All people have to do is exercise their free will to choose to be men and women.

95 posted on 03/01/2011 7:31:49 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: TexasTransplant

You’re on. Thanks.


96 posted on 03/01/2011 7:39:16 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: willgolfforfood

***** “Hmph!! For us older guys, sex is INCREDIBLY expensive!” ******

Not to mention over rated

Separated 3 years and still paying ... Inflation is defiantly a reality in my world.

Having kids on the other hand is worth it... Grand kids are Priceless!

TT


97 posted on 03/01/2011 7:44:54 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I got your Alla Akbar and your 72 Virgins... when ya wanna meet up?)
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To: Clemenza; Lazmataz

***** ““The only difference between free sex and prostitution is that free sex is ultimately more expensive.” -— Clemenza’s dad” *****

I’ve Nailed that one too!

(need expert advice from the Expert Laz)


98 posted on 03/01/2011 7:49:47 PM PST by TexasTransplant (I got your Alla Akbar and your 72 Virgins... when ya wanna meet up?)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

“his process worked pretty well to transform the people of North Africa, Asia Minor, the Middle East, Central and much of South and Southeast Asia, Malaysia and Indonesia (most populous of all Muslim countries) from non-Muslim to Muslim, in only 1000 years.”

I actually believe the dominance comes largely from oil wealth, and is more recent, like the last hundred years.

It is true you get more throw away soldiers; however, your population does not grow that way.

I do not mean to underestimate the Muslim threat. I just don’t want to overstate it either. They have plenty of problems. Their victory will largely depend on our weakness; not their strength.


99 posted on 03/01/2011 7:52:12 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Tax-chick
There’s a very common complaint that men, and particularly husbands/fathers, are negatively portrayed in tv programs and commercials, and yet, men never need to watch these things. I don’t. The only time I see commercial television is in the doctor’s waiting room, and I always have some schoolwork preparation or correspondence with me so I don’t have to look.

You have zeroed in on something I have found to be very true and that is your attitude depends on what and who you surround yourself with. I have work aquaintentences that complain all the time about their spouse. When it starts I either leave or calmly announce that I do not care to hear it and would they please change the subject.

I find that if I don't just the act of listening to their negativity makes me regard my own beloved husband more critically. He does not deserve that so I make sure I do not bring that filth home. Not to mention that it always turns into a game of "topper" as each person sings their song of woe.

Guys who hang around other guys who are moaning and complaining about their wives, girl friends and women in general are going to take it out on the women in their lives. The women will strike back, which will of course confirm that all women are evil and men are poor downtrodden pitiful things. They will take that back to their friends and wallow in their victim-hood status which will keep the cycle going.

This by the way is not confined to guys, gals play the same song just in a different note.

We would all be much happier if we would just stop.

I believe that Paul said it best in Philippians 4:8

100 posted on 03/01/2011 7:53:26 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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