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Man says he exhausted options before shooting dog(CO)
gazette.com ^ | 3 March, 2011 | JAKOB RODGERS and MATT STEINER

Posted on 03/04/2011 9:00:24 AM PST by marktwain

The owner of a 70-pound greyhound said Thursday that he exhausted all options before pulling his handgun on a 140-pound dog that had latched its jaws around his greyhound’s neck.

“I had no choice but to shoot into the dog and kill him,” Robert McCombs said.

Tammy Martinez, who owned the dog shot to death, was served a summons Thursday afternoon on suspicion of unlawful ownership of a dangerous animal, a misdemeanor, according to Joe Stafford, director of animal services at the Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region. Martinez identifed her dog as a bullmastiff.

The incident left McCombs’ 6-year-old greyhound, Cooper, with a gash to his neck requiring five staples. Martinez’s dog was not injured by Cooper, Stafford said.

McCombs was walking Cooper about 5:30 p.m. Wednesday on the 4800 block of El Camino when he said he heard a woman across the street “having some trouble” with her dog. He didn’t turn toward her, however, until he heard yelling. The dog was dragging Martinez, he said.

“He blasted across (the street) and came right at us,” McCombs said. “They fought just a little tiny bit and then that dog clamped down on my dog’s neck.”

Grabbing the bullmastiff’s leash, he tried pulling the dog away from the Cooper but the dog did not relent, causing him to drag both, McCombs said.

He said he kicked the bullmastiff before pulling his gun.

“I told her one last time, I said ‘Get your dog off or I’m going to kill him,’” McCombs said. “The lady was yelling things... and he was not responding to anything at all. She might as well have been a stranger to that dog.

“I could see that my dog was dying because his eyes got real red.”

A tearful Tammy Martinez told The Gazette her dog Flato wasn’t dangerous and shouldn’t have been killed.

Martinez moved to Colorado Springs from Corpus Christi, Texas, with Flato and two other dogs in October, a few months after her husband, Ruben, died from cancer. Flato was a stray the couple took in seven years ago.

Flato was very loving, she said, referring to him as her “dog with the waggly tail.”

“When you sing songs to him, you can hear that thing thumping,” she said.

When Flato saw the greyhound and darted toward it, Martinez fell and was dragged about 15 feet across a grass slope and a sidewalk, causing her to lose her hold on the leash, she said.

“If he was aggressive, he would have went after the owner in self-defense” when kicked, Martinez said.

McCombs shot the attacking dog twice, killing it, Colorado Springs police said. He had a permit to carry a concealed handgun, police said, and appeared to be “within the guidelines of the law” when firing his handgun.

The Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region is investigating whether the shooter was justified in firing on the bullmastiff, Stafford said.

“I’m not going to say this is a straight-forward case,” said Stafford. “I don’t ever jump to conclusions. I want to be as objective, impartial and thorough as possible.”

Bullmastiffs are among the dogs banned from Fort Carson under a policy restricting so-called aggressive breeds that also include Rottweilers, pitbulls and Doberman pinschers.

Martinez’s friend, Shawna Pugmire, a former professional dog trainer, was consoling Martinez on Thursday and agreed with her that Flato wasn’t dangerous.

“I let my 6-year-old play with Flato,” Pugmire said. “Given a couple seconds, I have no doubt he would have responded to Tammira (Martinez). And it would have been a whole different outcome for him.”

McCombs said there was a “noticeable difference” in Cooper’s temperment after the incident.

“Most greyhounds are timid anyway — he’s really, really shy,” McCombs said. “I hope he goes back to his playful self once he gets all healed up.”

— Gazette staff writer Lance Benzel contributed to this report.


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Bull mastiffs are very big dogs.
1 posted on 03/04/2011 9:00:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Lady, don’t mess with my property. It makes me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.


2 posted on 03/04/2011 9:03:24 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: marktwain
Sounds like a righteous shoot.

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P.S. I'm a dog lover.

3 posted on 03/04/2011 9:03:38 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: marktwain

Good shooting!!!!


4 posted on 03/04/2011 9:05:06 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: marktwain

One of our dogs was recently shot. She was where she didn’t belong. As the owners, it’s our fault.

It sounds like this woman had the same problem. Control your animals or someone else will for you.


5 posted on 03/04/2011 9:06:41 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: marktwain

Killing a mean dog is news?


6 posted on 03/04/2011 9:07:04 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: marktwain
A tearful Tammy Martinez told The Gazette her dog Flato wasn’t dangerous and shouldn’t have been killed.

Actions speak louder than words. I have absolutely no remorse about Flato in this situation at all. If you can't control your dog, either you shouldn't have it or you shouldn't walk it in a public place.

7 posted on 03/04/2011 9:07:22 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: marktwain

My neighbor used to breed them. “Corporal” was his big male who one day went nutzoid in the pen, and proceeded to maul the younger, smaller dogs. The neighbor decided to intervene, but only succeeded in getting himself chewed up pretty bad. His wife came out with the shotgun, and put an end to ol’ Corporal. Damn dog had a head the size of a basketball.


8 posted on 03/04/2011 9:10:33 AM PST by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: marktwain

Bullmastiffs are generally very docile dogs. Very protective, but not very aggressive.

That being said, they are very dangerous dogs in that when they become aggressive, they can easily kill or maim even a full grown man.

With the injuries sustained by the greyhound, and the testimony of the bullmastiff’s owner, I would have to say it was a good shoot.


9 posted on 03/04/2011 9:10:42 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: FourPeas

My father shot my 3rd grade teacher’s dog early one morning(she lived down the road from us)....it kept raiding our chicken coop....he said he was aiming to scare it, but hit. My teacher understood....funny,I was her teacher’s pet.


10 posted on 03/04/2011 9:11:04 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: WestwardHo

“Killing a mean dog is news?”

Only if you can attempt to put the lawful use of a handgun in a bad light.


11 posted on 03/04/2011 9:12:25 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: marktwain

I have two greyhounds. I always carry a blade when I walk them, as there have been pit-bull attacks in my part of town.
A few years back in two pits killed a greyhound named Henry. One of my greyhounds is also named Henry.

When the story hit the local paper, everyone who knows us thought it was my Henry. I got tons of calls and sympathy.

I am fully prepared to cut the jugular of any dog that latches on to one of mine.


12 posted on 03/04/2011 9:12:31 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: marktwain

Tammy, Tammy...Tammy’s in denial.


13 posted on 03/04/2011 9:12:57 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: marktwain
Let's see, the bull mastiff was illegal in the town, was fully twice the size of the greyhound, was latched onto the greyhound after dragging and escaping from it's owner and ignored all commands to stop - but if just given a couple m ore seconds, he would've let go and become his sweet, waggly tail self?

That's like saying you couldn't shoot someone stabbing a person until you give them a couple more seconds - and several more stabs - to stop.

Lady, buy a clue.

the man GAVE the dog extra time by kicking him and then warning the lady to pull the dog off or he'd shoot.

her attitude is like the people who say we shouldn't have guns for protection but rely on the police - who arrive in minutes when seconds count.

14 posted on 03/04/2011 9:16:05 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("We stand together or we fall apart" mt)
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To: marktwain

“The Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region is investigating whether the shooter was justified in firing on the bullmastiff, Stafford said.”

WTF authority do they have? Pound sand.


15 posted on 03/04/2011 9:16:28 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Hamstring a pitbull instead. Their jaws lock hard when they bite down, and cutting their throat will still cause you to have to pry apart their jaws. But if you cut his hamstring, he will release what he has a hold of and try to snap at your hand.

Even tugging the hamstring of any canine will cause it to lose it’s grip and turn it’s head back to the “attack”. By instinct, canines go for the hamstring of their prey and reflexively will defend their own hamstrings over even their throats.


16 posted on 03/04/2011 9:17:00 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: marktwain; Fawn

You should ping Fawn, she loves it when dogs are killed.


17 posted on 03/04/2011 9:21:05 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: goodnesswins

The hardest part was explaining it to the kids. (Thankfully the dog survived.)

I came very near to shooting a neighbor’s dog when I was a teen to keep it from killing my cat in my front yard. I never thought I’d be thankful for that experience.


18 posted on 03/04/2011 9:22:02 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Good to know. It was worth getting out of bed today, I learned something.


19 posted on 03/04/2011 9:24:13 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 773 of our national holiday from reality. - tic. tic. tic. It's almost 3 AM)
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To: marktwain
Tammy Martinez, who owned the dog shot to death, was served a summons Thursday afternoon on suspicion of unlawful ownership of a dangerous animal, a misdemeanor...

Bullmastiffs are among the dogs banned from Fort Carson under a policy restricting so-called aggressive breeds ...

A tearful Tammy Martinez told The Gazette her dog Flato wasn’t dangerous and shouldn’t have been killed.

“If he was aggressive, he would have went after the owner in self-defense” when kicked, Martinez said.

Were I the Judge, I would give Martinez 364 days in jail, and the maximum fine, her comments so disregard for the law and no remorse.

20 posted on 03/04/2011 9:30:48 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

How will pepper spray do against any of these dogs?
I have it, I carry it, but if it will just tick them off, I would rather carry something else.


21 posted on 03/04/2011 9:34:03 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

A good and bad reply.

The hamstring information is valid and very good advice. You got into the mind of the dog with that. Just be VERY careful, and faster than you ever thought you could be.

The MYTH about pitbulls’ being able to lock their jaws is just that, a MYTH. They have very strong jaw muscles, but other than size and the musculature, there is absolutely NO difference between the jaw structure of a pit bull and a chihuahua.

Ask any vet.


22 posted on 03/04/2011 9:34:17 AM PST by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

“WTF authority do they have? Pound sand.”

Because they are the defacto standard in determining animal abuse. They do that in between killing the animals which are not adoptable.


23 posted on 03/04/2011 9:34:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Would not want to mess with one. Would have shot an attacking bullmastiff also, given the same circumstances.

24 posted on 03/04/2011 9:37:22 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Retired Greyhound

They don’t have any authority,but they have lawyers.Lots of lawyers.


25 posted on 03/04/2011 9:39:01 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Don W

I’m not saying it’s a true “lock”, but the jaw muscles of a Staffordshire are really impressive and those muscles will not go lax quickly enough to save another dog who he has in a death grip even if you cut his throat.

That is what I mean by you will still have to pry his jaws apart.

And yeah, be prepared to lose the use of a hand for a while if you grab the hamstring of a medium to large dog. They are fast!


26 posted on 03/04/2011 9:40:10 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: A Strict Constructionist

“Only if you can attempt to put the lawful use of a handgun in a bad light.”

What kind of an ignorant, limp wristed, brainless, dumba$$ would want to do a @#!$%#@ *$%^#!! like that?


27 posted on 03/04/2011 9:40:37 AM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: netmilsmom
Hard to say. An aggressive angry dog might break off the attack. An aggressive fearful dog might attack more fiercely.
28 posted on 03/04/2011 9:42:43 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

And how long do you think those jaws would stand up to my castration knife. I could cut his whole head off in less than a minute.


29 posted on 03/04/2011 9:42:55 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: marktwain

Case just about like that one happened to me while I was walking my dogs. Saw a lady coming my way on the other side of the street with a dog she was having a hard time keeping under control. I kept mine in check and passed by.

Didn’t go 10 yards when I heard her holler and saw her dog out of the corner of my eye coming up on my Black & Tan.

B&T was game and fight on. Took a bit to get them apart but I think mine got the best of it.

There are about 3 ladies in the neighborhood who walk large dogs they can’t control. Now, most of the time I take a side street to go around them.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 9:43:24 AM PST by PeteB570 (Islam is the sea in which the terrorist shark swims. It aids & comforts the shark on it's journey.)
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To: marktwain

A bullet can calm a BullMAstiff right down.. and make it friendlier..


31 posted on 03/04/2011 9:43:42 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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. . . Martinez fell and was dragged about 15 feet across a grass slope and a sidewalk, causing her to lose her hold on the leash . . .

That woman had no business owning that dog. If you cannot maintain the role of Alpha, get rid of the dog.


. . . a former professional dog trainer . . . agreed with her that Flato wasn’t dangerous.

One man's dog trainer is another man's village idiot.

32 posted on 03/04/2011 9:46:46 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: org.whodat
I could cut his whole head off in less than a minute.

Allah Akbar!

33 posted on 03/04/2011 9:48:29 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Oh crap. So the fear would come from the sting of the spray?
I’m not sure I’ll run into a dog who is fearful of mine.

She is a 10 pound Papillon. I think she could outrun most of these dogs, but if they got her, she would be nothing but a tasty treat.


34 posted on 03/04/2011 9:48:35 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

LOL, have field dressed many deer.


35 posted on 03/04/2011 9:50:25 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: marktwain; Salamander

probably legit shot but breed specific asshats can kiss my butt

u kill my dog though for any reason and i will probably get yours in time..i will always avenge my boy


36 posted on 03/04/2011 9:50:29 AM PST by wardaddy (FUHB)
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To: marktwain

I’m a dog lover, but this was absolutely unavoidable. The woman who owned the bullmastiff is the one responsible for the death of her own dog and the injury sustained by the greyhound.

People should NEVER own a dog they can’t control.


37 posted on 03/04/2011 9:51:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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A tearful Tammy Martinez told The Gazette her dog Flato wasn’t dangerous and shouldn’t have been killed.

YOU shouldn't have owned a dog you CAN'T CONTROL!!!!

38 posted on 03/04/2011 9:53:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: marktwain

Flato won’t be attacking any more dogs. Or anything else for that matter. Case closed.


39 posted on 03/04/2011 9:53:42 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: marktwain

both this psychotic lady and supposed “Trainer” said the dog was not dangerous....it dragged it’s owner 15 feet before the owner could not physically hold on any longer, attacked a dog across the street, did not leg go of it’s deathgrip on the other dog, even while being kicked by the other dogs owner, until the other dogs owner was left with no other option but to shoot it...... sorry, but this thing was dangerous and needed to be put down..


40 posted on 03/04/2011 9:55:00 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: wardaddy

So you’re saying we should take you out at the same time as your dangerous dog?


41 posted on 03/04/2011 9:55:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wardaddy
u kill my dog though for any reason and i will probably get yours in time..i will always avenge my boy

Keep your boy under control and it won't be a problem.

42 posted on 03/04/2011 9:55:32 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: joe fonebone

It didn’t need to be put down prior to this incident. It needed an owner who could properly train it.


43 posted on 03/04/2011 9:56:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

My wife’s nephew used to raise some big beautiful canines.

neighbors loved them, petted them enjoyed playing with them.

Then the local newspaper interviewed the nephew and found the dogs were half wolf.

Instant change! The neighbors went into such a panic he had to get rid of them.


44 posted on 03/04/2011 9:58:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: joe fonebone
but this thing was dangerous and needed to be put down..

ANY dog larger than a toy is dangerous under the wrong conditions. The larger the dog, the greater the danger.

I owned Great Danes, and you will never see a gentler breed, but if you can't dominate it, it can be extremely dangerous.

Foolish people attribute human qualities to dogs, but they are, after all, dogs.

45 posted on 03/04/2011 9:59:33 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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The Humane Society of the Pikes Peak Region is investigating whether the shooter was justified in firing on the bullmastiff, Stafford said.

The humane society?? Do they have a "law enforcement division?"

46 posted on 03/04/2011 10:00:40 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: driftdiver
It didn’t need to be put down prior to this incident. It needed an owner who could properly train it.

Much more succinctly put than my post.

47 posted on 03/04/2011 10:01:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: marktwain
I know a man who killed a biga$$dog with a baseball bat after it bit the crap out of one of his kids in the early 70’s. The dogs owner and the bit up kid just kind of stood there in amazement.

No one could afford the expense of a wasted bullet for a dog back then. The man who killed the dog had available bullets for any persons who got in his way during his moment. No one even dared call the police, and if they had, none of them would have dared respond. The world was smaller back then.

48 posted on 03/04/2011 10:01:09 AM PST by mmercier (the ignition line)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Half wolves are wonderful animals, but they are, after all, half wolf and should never be as trusted as a dog.


49 posted on 03/04/2011 10:03:38 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: marktwain
A tearful Tammy Martinez told The Gazette her dog Flato wasn’t dangerous and shouldn’t have been killed.

Notwithstanding all evidence to the contrary, her dog is still dead and Cooper has a significant neck wound. Ms. Martinez is a moron.

50 posted on 03/04/2011 10:05:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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