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New book sheds new light on Lincoln's racial views
Yahoo news ^ | Mar 4 | MATTHEW BARAKAT

Posted on 03/05/2011 4:17:47 PM PST by FatherofFive

McLEAN, Va. – Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address has inspired Americans for generations, but consider his jarring remarks in 1862 to a White House audience of free blacks, urging them to leave the U.S. and settle in Central America.

"For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people," Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.

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Proving the republician party was racist from the beginning. /s
1 posted on 03/05/2011 4:17:49 PM PST by FatherofFive
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To: FatherofFive

The commie libs aren’t going to quit until ALL of America’s history is dead and buried.


2 posted on 03/05/2011 4:19:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Just say NO to union greed!)
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To: FatherofFive

“For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people,” Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.”

We cannot know the tension, pressures, and political leanings of that time, except by secondary sources. Perhaps Abe was just being honest.


3 posted on 03/05/2011 4:20:21 PM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: FatherofFive

His generals foresaw problems as freed slaves started leaving the farms/plantations and following the Northern armies; they were unable to provide for them while conducting the war (sound familiar?).


4 posted on 03/05/2011 4:23:00 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: FatherofFive

They also said he was gay because he slept in the same bed with a friend. Those lib so-called historians didn’t realize that that was what they did back then due to accommodation space in houses.


5 posted on 03/05/2011 4:23:05 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: FatherofFive

The comments weren’t at all surprising for the time and probably weren’t seen as racist by anyone.

Rather prophetic really. He seemed to realize that blacks would become a second class of citizen held in continuous bondage by other means. Listening to democrats today and its obvious that they feel a certain “ownership” of the black vote.


6 posted on 03/05/2011 4:23:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: FatherofFive
Also on that page: "why you shouldn't have kids" by Time magazine (Saudi owned)
7 posted on 03/05/2011 4:24:40 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: FatherofFive
So, it's been 150 years, how are we doing, as opposed to what if the freemen took Lincoln's advice?

What if we had a "Liberia" in central America where ambitious Blacks from America had set up their own state, and had had generations to develop a community free of racial obstacles?

8 posted on 03/05/2011 4:25:18 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cripplecreek

“Listening to democrats today and its obvious that they feel a certain “ownership” of the black vote”

No question.


9 posted on 03/05/2011 4:25:30 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many younger conservative Christians out there? __ Click my name)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Agreed. The revisionists are destroying history.


10 posted on 03/05/2011 4:25:55 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013- The end of an error)
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To: choctaw man
If this factual, then I suspect he was of the opinion the former slaves would want to be returned to their African homes from which they had been ripped away from by Obama’s ancestors who kidnapped them and sold them to the slavers..

- hardly racist - just the opposite

11 posted on 03/05/2011 4:28:10 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: FatherofFive

The commie media rewriting history. Nothing here.


12 posted on 03/05/2011 4:28:40 PM PST by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: FatherofFive
It's nice that the AP doesn't feature the title, Colonization After Emancipation, until the fourth paragraph. People here who think that demeaning Lincoln is demeaning American History need to ask themselves what happened to the government bequeathed to us by Jefferson and Madison. I wondered about this some 30+ years ago, and learned that everything I was taught in high school wasn't all there was to learn.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 03/05/2011 4:29:49 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: cripplecreek
Listening to democrats today and its obvious that they feel a certain “ownership” of the black vote.

ALL the racists in government - from George Wallace down, were Democrats.

14 posted on 03/05/2011 4:31:01 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: choctaw man

There was a quote in the book “the UN-PC history of the Civil War” that Lincoln stated that saving the slaves was “last” of his concerns as long as the union was saved.


15 posted on 03/05/2011 4:31:18 PM PST by max americana
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To: FatherofFive
Lincoln on Blacks:

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and po- litical equality of the white and black races; that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference be- tween the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

16 posted on 03/05/2011 4:32:08 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: FatherofFive

Lincoln either presided over an amry that killed hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen, or he invaded a soveriegn nation after a small skirmish in one of that nation’s ports.

3 cheers for Lincoln.


17 posted on 03/05/2011 4:35:22 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

bookmark


18 posted on 03/05/2011 4:35:29 PM PST by DrewsMum
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To: FatherofFive
Lincoln was a blatant racist.
Read his own words in the :
The Lincoln-Douglas Debates Fourth Joint Debate Charleston, September 18, 1858 Mr. Lincoln’s Speech - tom
19 posted on 03/05/2011 4:36:27 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: FatherofFive

I don’t see this as “new light.” Anyone who has ever read a biography of Lincoln has heard this before. People keep wanting to view our 18th- and 19th-century forbears through a 21st-century lens.


20 posted on 03/05/2011 4:36:45 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day ("As government expands, liberty contracts." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: FatherofFive
Lincoln:

"I tell [Douglas] very frankly that I am not in favor of negro citizenship."

Lincoln - douglas debates

21 posted on 03/05/2011 4:36:48 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

A few years back when Curtis Granderson played baseball for the Detroit Tigers he had an official photo of himself taken with the statue of Ty Cobb outside Comerica park.

When asked why he wanted his photo taken with someone perceived as a racist, Granderson gave a great answer. He said that racism is more of a perception of past attitudes vs current attitudes. He went on to say that Cobb was one of the greatest players ever to play the game and for his time showed a great deal more tolerance than many big league players did. Granderson laughed and said that Cobb was well known for being an ass but he was an equal opportunity ass.


22 posted on 03/05/2011 4:38:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: choctaw man
...resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.

What a foolish notion in light of how easily we have integrated.

< /SARC>

23 posted on 03/05/2011 4:38:51 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (It's not the *Prince of Fools* but rather the *fools* that are the problem)
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To: DrewsMum

That quote was from the Lincoln - Douglas debates btw. :-)


24 posted on 03/05/2011 4:39:00 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: FatherofFive
MLK day just isn't enough is it.

What is enough to make it fair?

25 posted on 03/05/2011 4:39:31 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: hinckley buzzard

They already have “Liberias” in Africa. Sudan, Somalia, Kenya ... how has American racism hurt those people?


26 posted on 03/05/2011 4:39:31 PM PST by sbMKE
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To: FatherofFive

Oh boy! We haven’t had a good FR Civil War dustup for a while. This should be good.

The south has “Lost Causers,” the north has “Lincoln Sainthood.” He did not fight the Civil War to free the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation was a military document, intended to spur insurrection in the south and the south alone, as it did not free slaves in States outside the Confederacy. Lincoln held blacks to be inferior to whites. He was not at all alone in this belief, particularly among his Union compatriots, contrary to the popular public school mythology that places this belief solely at the feet of southerners.

Tell the true history, I say. All of it. Don’t be afraid of it. The States that comprised the former Confederacy believed themselves to possess a Constitutional right to dissolve their association with other States, for any reason. So did several others, notably in New England, that threatened secession several decades prior.

Regarding the speech to free blacks in the excerpt, where does anybody think Liberia came from, and how do they believe Liberia to have been established?


27 posted on 03/05/2011 4:40:06 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: FatherofFive

Oh noes! And this changes what? (Not asking you FOF, just generally.)

When are people going to wake up and realize that it’s the year 2011? Now they’re going back to find racists? Shall we dig him up and question him? Letterman apology show? Rev. Al and Jackson going to ‘have a talk’ with him through seance? Geez. I’m betting that most of the Northern army had the same thoughts.


28 posted on 03/05/2011 4:42:32 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: FatherofFive
Proving the republician party was racist from the beginning. /s

Of course the Democrats (which included ALL of the Confederacy) of the time were arguing blacks were subhuman--and they were doing them a favor to enslave them...

29 posted on 03/05/2011 4:43:53 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: FatherofFive
Abe Lincoln was the first anti-slavery President....the previous ones were either slaveholders themselves, or strongly allowed slavery to keep Southern Democrats pacified.

Two events riled anti-slavery forces in America: 1) The Kansas-Nebraska Act, which negated the Compromise of 1820 and said that slavery could be wherever the State wanted it, rather than keeping it below a certain latitude (Mason-Dixon Line?). This caused violent men from both sides to fight in Kansas and Nebraska. The belief was that slavery, far from slowly dying out, would flourish in new Southern States (Cuba and Northern Mexico was seriously considered for annexation to the US)....for example, today Migrant workers work the orchards in florida and california....if the Kansas-Nebraska Act were present today, you might see slaves working those field today.

2)The publication of Uncle Tom's Cabin. This book stoked the abolitionist fires in the North, and a savage reaction in the South.

I honestly don't know how we could've avoided a Civil War. Southern Democrat slaveholders were too entrenched in their way of life, while northern Republican abolitionists were too angered by the idea of one man owning another.

As for "States Rights" and seceding because of economic issues, why didn't the Midwestern States secede as well (they were under the same restrictions Southern states were), and why was slavery forbidden to be outlawed in the Confederate Constitution?

30 posted on 03/05/2011 4:44:50 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: FatherofFive

With all due respect to you for your post I am weary of racial discussions.

Racial discrimination has become the reason for much bad behavior and I’m tired of it,really tired. The word “racist” has lost all meaning it is so overused.

Who cares if Lincoln was racist? That was approximately 150 years ago.


31 posted on 03/05/2011 4:46:26 PM PST by Mears
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To: FatherofFive

We also know that Lincoln took hid inspiration from Thomas Jefferson who envisioned involuntary deportation of blacks. And shared the idea of voluntary emigration and resettlement with Robert E. Lee.

In other words, there ain’t no news like old news...


32 posted on 03/05/2011 4:46:30 PM PST by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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To: rockrr

hid=his


33 posted on 03/05/2011 4:46:51 PM PST by rockrr ("Remember PATCO!")
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To: FatherofFive

Lincoln’s views of blacks and slavery have been known and published for years so there’s hardly anything new here and certainly no “new light”.
Most of the Lincoln worshippers simply ignore his views on race or excuse them so what’s new?


34 posted on 03/05/2011 4:47:56 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Mears
With all due respect to you for your post I am weary of racial discussions.

I agree with you. We have a black president. Oprah is a billionaire. So many black millionaire athletes cheered on by "racist" white folks in the stands.

Yet the democRATS continually play the race card, as if slavery still exists.

35 posted on 03/05/2011 4:50:53 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: EGPWS

“What is enough to make it fair?”

***

Restitution of course. It’s all about that free Obama money.


36 posted on 03/05/2011 4:52:47 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

At the time there was likely hardly any white person who did not agree with this, including the abolitionists. Equality was not even an issue until after the war, and physical and intellectual equality was not an issue until well into the twentieth century.

The issue was the spread of human slavery, and then became the end of slavery where it existed.

Lincoln was properly concerned with his oath to ‘preserve and protect’ the Constitution, and this had become understood, after Andrew Jackson, to include preserving the federal union.


37 posted on 03/05/2011 4:57:00 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: FatherofFive
RACERACE
38 posted on 03/05/2011 4:58:46 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: FatherofFive

I’ve been reading much of this history again, just today, in fact.

As usual, the Lincoln-haters on FR are once again making their attacks on an almost identical basis as Stephen A. Douglas. Same words, almost verbatim.

It’s ironic how many Stephen A. Douglas Democrats today call themselves Republicans, and “federalists.” It’s a hoot.

But what isn’t funny is that they’re treating unborn children, no matter their race, exactly the same way Douglas treated blacks.


39 posted on 03/05/2011 4:58:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Just ban it. Quit screwing around. Thousands more were butchered today.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Forgot to mention that Jackson’s position was not a partisan position, see my new tagline, from the great spokesman for the Whigs.


40 posted on 03/05/2011 5:04:04 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Good post.

That’s why Frederick Douglass had to go around the country giving his speech: “That the Negro is a man.”


41 posted on 03/05/2011 5:05:03 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Just ban it. Quit screwing around. Thousands more were butchered today.)
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To: FatherofFive
Hunter and Freemont were fired early in the war when they publicly stated the war was to free the slaves.
42 posted on 03/05/2011 5:06:44 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: FatherofFive

My people arent going to like that(Holder)


43 posted on 03/05/2011 5:08:22 PM PST by italianquaker ( teabag the vote!!)
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My people arent going to like that(Holder)

LOL! The left doesn't see they are the racists.

44 posted on 03/05/2011 5:10:44 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: EternalVigilance
they’re treating unborn children, no matter their race, exactly the same way Douglas treated blacks.

Stephen Douglas used to jam coathangers into black mens' ears?

45 posted on 03/05/2011 5:10:50 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: FatherofFive

No evil is to be spoken of King Lincoln.

This is supposed to be permanently scrubbed from historical records.

What happened that this is being reported?


46 posted on 03/05/2011 5:12:13 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: FatherofFive

Nothing new here. Just look into the origin of Liberia.


47 posted on 03/05/2011 5:14:35 PM PST by fso301
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To: hinckley buzzard
What if we had a "Liberia" in central America where ambitious Blacks from America had set up their own state, and had had generations to develop a community free of racial obstacles?

Their working class would be complaining about Obama's masses of American unemployed illegally crossing their borders and taking their jobs? LOL!

48 posted on 03/05/2011 5:22:03 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MuttTheHoople

No. He thought slavery should be “left up to the states.”

In other words, he thought state sovereignty was the first principle of our republic, instead of what it really was: the absolute obligation to protect the God-given and therefore unalienable rights of the people.


49 posted on 03/05/2011 5:27:37 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Just ban it. Quit screwing around. Thousands more were butchered today.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Your quote is from one of the Lincoln-Douglas Debates and was in response to Douglas’ race-baiting attacks on Lincoln. On July 10, 1858 Lincoln probably gave a far truer statement of his views in a speech at Chicago:

“My friends, I have detained you about as long as I desired to do, and I have only to say, let us discard all this quibbling about this man and the other man—this race and that race and the other race being inferior, and therefore they must be placed in an inferior position—discarding our standard that we have left us. Let us discard all these things, and unite as one people throughout this land, until we shall once more stand up declaring that all men are created equal.”


50 posted on 03/05/2011 5:28:50 PM PST by buridan
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