Skip to comments.The Big Bang Never Happened
Posted on 03/07/2011 1:44:47 PM PST by wendy1946
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I watched all nine segments, and it struck me that the “scientific” community is a lot like the medieval church. It establishes a belief and destroys all heretics. It’s a lot like the “anthropogenic global climate change” hoax.
I’m glad that these scientists persisted and are succeeding in getting the truth out about the big bang.
I’m not a researcher anymore and haven’t been one for many years, but when I look at the Astronomy Picture of the Day, I wonder why everything looks so jumbled up if it all originated from one source that is exploding outward.
Note the channel of material connecting the four objects and try to tell me how that could be just a near/far line-up coincidence.
Yep. I signed up for it via freepmail. I look forward the pings. I find discussions of evolution and intelligent design very interesting. :-)
You state that Neanderthal DNA was halfway between ours and chimps, which means we had a common ancestor, not that we descended from neaderthals or chimps.
Besides, Neaderthals created art, hunted, and made fire. Does that sound like an advanced ape to you?
This one needs to be shared. Again there were several major players in it including Fred Hoyle, Arp, Eric Lerner, and Tony Peratt. Apparently it was a 4tv video made in 04 (http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0851217/).
Sorry but that's idiotic. A common ancestor would be further removed from us than the neanderthal and all parties agree that the Neanderthal is too far removed to be an ancestor. That's like claiming that dogs are too far genetically removed from wolves to be descended from them and that, therefore, they (dogs) must be descended directly from fish.
Besides, Neaderthals created art, hunted, and made fire. Does that sound like an advanced ape to you?
Certainly it does. You clearly haven't kept up with the last 30 years worth of work with Gorillas. Some of the ones which have been taught deaf signs check out as having IQs in the 90 - 105 range which is adequate for half of all American jobs. It's only the lack of voluntary control of breathing which prevents their speaking English.
As Stanley Jaki pointed out in The Paradox of Olbers Paradox, the Paradox should have convinced people that the universe was not infinite in either time or space.
Aside from the idea of a realized infinity being a philosophical absurdity, Olbers Paradox involves the fact that the night sky is dark. If the universe were truly infinite in space and time, everywhere you looked there would be a star (infinite in space), and old enough that the light from every star would have reached the Earth (infinite in time). The night sky would be as bright as the surface of the sun. Since the night sky is dark, the universe cannot be infinite in either space or time.
This doesn't resolve issues such as big bang vs. continuous creation, but it does put a finite limit on the age of the universe.
Both of my parents are dead. There does not exist any person I could be a direct descendant of. Does that mean I have no ancestors?
I generally answer intelligent questions...
Just when you think they couldn’t possibly get MORE cRetarded.
That appears to be a false color photo of a galaxy and its associated dust cloud.
It is really difficult to tell with this false color photograph which is apparently a layered Multi-photo of dust clouds associated with the galaxy as well the galaxy itself. A number of photographs at different wavelengths would be far easier answer.
By the way, many galaxies have tails. They shoot matter out of their center at high speeds. All of the tails are nearly transparent because there is really very little matter being shot out of the galaxy.
You're arguing from a premise that all the evidence we have is all there is, and all there will ever be. How smart is that?
If it’s on u tube...well, that’s all I need!
The recently “validated” inflation theory seems to be in concert with the biblical account of the creation.
It one of many hypothetical constructs in cosmology.
Plasma cosmology theory also postulates that the main thing which agglomerates plasma form material into solid things is the Z-pinch force associated with Birkeland currents and that is basically why you see things like strings of galaxies.
Skip Arp’s work has done nothing of the sort. It is just another theory among many.
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You might want to review the writings of Gerald Schroedershalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Unless perhaps, at the point of singularity, it disappeared to emerge into a new universe. "Turned inside-out," so to speak.
As for your gorilla example, show me a gorilla species that makes fire and buries it's dead.
i copied it I hope you don't mind?
I don’t mind. It’s not mine. I just got it off of photobucket. :-)
What is the nothingness in space between the galaxies. Is it really nothing or is it something? Like maybe the very same stuff in the rest of the universe, it just never clumped to form matter as we know it. Is there nothing anywhere?
ALL of that is wrong, not just part of it.
Some people believe that a neutrino soup of sorts prevails even in the emptiest space although I don't see how anybody could hope to prove that.
Way upwards of 99% of the mass of the universe is in plasma form and the main thing which aggregates plasma into solid things like galaxies and stars and planets is the Z-Pinch effect which is associated with the cosmic Birkeland currents which move through plasmas. That is why you find strings of galaxies and why, as Peratt and Lerner note in the video, solid material in the universe is "clumpy" beyond what could be explained by "big bang". Certainly the big bang offers no way to picture strings of galaxies forming.
So, the universe never began, but it is dying? I haven’t watched the videos yet, but maybe you could give me a brief synopsis of their view of whether the universe is dying (going toward a uniform very cold temperature). Or is it recreating itself in places? Is there a reverse entropy engine somewhere?
Big bang does not pass any sort of a sniff test for basic logic. Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the ultimate black hole; nothing would ever "bang" its way out of that. Likewise it is nonsensical to think that a supposedly omnipotent and omniscient God would suddenly figure out that it would be a cool thing to do to create a universe while the idea had never occurred to him previously; whether that supposedly happened 6000 or 17B years ago doesn't even matter, it's nonsensical either way.
In other words, big bang is bad physics, bad logic, and bad theology rolled up into a package.
There is no nothingness between the galaxies. If I remember correctly, the space generally has about 1 molecule per cubic centimeter of matter.
There is also a lot of stuff that is not visible at normal wavelengths. I think Uranametria 2000 startcharts have incorporated radio telescope findings with the visible light results from the Hubble telescope. Vast fields of dust and electrons. IIRC, the last edition is the one with the radio objects.
It is really facscinating. Lots of stuff out there.
The bang was an expansion of space, ie. the expansion of the dimension in which something can be placed. It was not an explosion that would have had to overcome the mass of the black hole.
All of the evidence dictates that the universe had a specific beginning and did not previously exist and is not eternal.
Because of this, we can only see a part of the universe and a recent paper (within the last three months) suggests that for all practical purposes we will only be able to see about 8% of the universe.
Watch the videos. The ONLY evidence there ever was for a big bang was a wrong interpretation of cosmic redshift as recession velocity and hence expansion, and Arp's findings just kill that.
There are also other possibilities for this photo.
1. There is an unassociated dust cloud that is between us and the galaxy and it is lit by light coming to us from the galaxy.
2. Radio wavelengths have been incorporated in the picture in the form of dust.
3. There is a dustcloud associated to the galaxy and it is being excited to a maser state. (Sort of like a laser).
Do you know what galaxy that is or it’s position? I can find out more about it if you can provide the information.
Space does not expand or contract. What 'one foot' or 'one yard' means today is exactly what it meant yesterday and what it will mean tomorrow. All of this junk physics we've been listening to all our lives is in the process of going away. You've even got one guy (Hatch) with a dozen or more GPS patents who claims that GPS runs on Newtonian physics and that they're having to work AROUND relativity, not with it.
That’s NGC-7603. It shows two galaxies and two quasars connected by an obvious and visible stream of material with the cosmic objects centered in the stream. The chances of that happening via any sort of coincidence are basically zero. Again the objects are clearly part and parcel of the same thing and they have substantially differing redshifts.
To the contrary, they give off Hawking Radiation. As a result of which, the mass of the black hole decreases. Q.E.D., things CAN, and do, get out of a black hole.
As for the theology portion of the equation, I would not presume to say definitively how God did or didn't do anything. The Big Bang Theory was created to explain a set of objective observations at the time. As we accumulate additional information and understanding, we will modify theory to fit the observations. Improving our understanding of the universe we live in merely brings us closer to understanding the mind of God, such as we are able.
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Thanks for the id. I thought I recognized it.
So you dispute that the various objects, say galaxy to galaxy, are not moving in relation to each other?
I will watch the videos. They look interesting.
Your argument: it’s strawmen, all the way down.
Obviously, the universe is not expanding. We are all shrinking.
Smacks of Mormonism to me.
ONE BIG PROBLEM.
The Bible. “In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth”. It doesn't say “in the beginning there was no beginning for the Heavens always existed.”
Seems you are putting creation as equivalent to the creator, and removing the creator as the actual creator - sort of a coexistant facet of eternal reality - but not the creator of that universe and reality.
Tell me something, how is it that when the astronomers focus their telescope to 14 or 15 billion teasr ago, they are sure they’re not seeing the same galaxies which they saw when they focused at 4 billion years ago?
Long story, but in the beginning on this planet you couldn't see stars due to the nature of the pre-flood system. Again the idea of God creating the entire universe 6000 years ago doesn't pass any sort of a sniff test for basic logic and I assume God created us logic-capable for a reason.
Some more than others apparently.
Gods ways are not our ways. Trying to figure out how the universe is based upon your interpretation of what God would and would not do is a fools errand from the beginning!
Oh, there is that word again....
“In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth”
“There was no beginning because God and the Universe always existed and therefore God did not create the heavens, they always existed.”
The equipment gives a good indication of the red shift of the spectrum. It is very obvious when you look at a spectrum of the galaxy.
The apparent size of the galaxies are also smaller because they are farther away. Hahahhaha
You actually believe God created the entire universe 6000 years ago, and, if so, your explanation for our seeing light (from stars and galaxies) which would take millions or billions of years to get to us assuming it travels at C??
I believe that God created the entire universe and evidence suggests it was many billions of years ago and nothing in the Bible says that the universe is only a few thousand years old.
How do you suggest that God “created” a universe that always existed?
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