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Out of (southern) Africa: Modern man 'evolved from desert bushmen'
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | March 8, 2011 | DAVID DERBYSHIRE

Posted on 03/08/2011 4:50:30 AM PST by Pharmboy

The first modern people evolved in southern Africa more than 60,000 years ago - and not in the east of the continent as most scientists believe, a study concludes. After analysing DNA samples from 27 populations in modern-day Africa, researchers say the most likely location for the 'cradle of humanity' is the Kalahari desert region of South Africa, Namibia and Botswana. The modern-day click-speaking bushman from the desert show the greatest genetic diversity of any Africans - suggesting that their home was the birthplace of the first true Homo sapiens.


Originators: The home of the modern day click-speaking bushman in the Kalahari desert is the birthplace of the first true Homo sapiens, scientists claim


Most experts now believe that modern humans evolved in Africa between 150,000 and 60,000 years ago and then migrated to the Near East, Europe, Asia and eventually America

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: evolution; genes; godsgravesglyphs; humans; outofafrica
While I do believe our origins lie in Africa, I think their timing's a bit daft.
1 posted on 03/08/2011 4:50:32 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: SunkenCiv; thefactor; ClearCase_guy; neverdem; blam
Ping for Homo sapiens
2 posted on 03/08/2011 4:52:12 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

Does this mean I qualify for affirmative action, and if you say anything bad about me it becomes a hate crime?


3 posted on 03/08/2011 4:54:06 AM PST by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: Pharmboy

I’m a multiregional man myself...


4 posted on 03/08/2011 4:54:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (I'd crawl over broken glass for her. Alea iacta est.)
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To: Pharmboy
It seems to me that it would take a miracle for people to originate in an African desert 60,000 years ago and then spread all over the world -- even to Easter Island with basically no technology. And to separate into rather distinct races in such a time. And to live at a stone age level up until just a few thousand years ago and then -- poof! -- for serious civilization to start springing up everywhere in the world simultaneously. It all seems miraculous.

Of course, my worldview allows for the belief in miracles. But the secular humanists? They ought to find such miracles hard to swallow.

5 posted on 03/08/2011 4:59:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Pharmboy

I’m still waiting for them to find the remains of the Great Ice Ship that brought my people to earth in the Arctic. There is so much more to discover. I don’t believe that man came from one continent. I look at frogs, they are all over the world, and they are different, but they have the same skeletal structure. Where did the first Adam and Eve frog come from that managed to spread themselves around the world. There is no simple explanation, only beliefs, until all the puzzle pieces are put together.


6 posted on 03/08/2011 5:02:30 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (I see a dark cloud coming over the horizon, and its reminiscent of 1939.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Of course, my worldview allows for the belief in miracles. But the secular humanists? They ought to find such miracles hard to swallow.”

No, the secular humanists believe we came from space aliens. I learned that on the History Channel.


7 posted on 03/08/2011 5:04:31 AM PST by GOPBlonde
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To: Pharmboy

I don’t tan, period. There’s no way I came from Africa! :D


8 posted on 03/08/2011 5:08:17 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Pharmboy

Everything I’ve heard about the Kalahari bush people says that they tend to be ordinary folks who only wish to raise their families and pursue their eons-old lifestyle.

I’ll bet they don’t even know what “Allahu akbar!!” means.


9 posted on 03/08/2011 5:09:00 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Destroy Mecca and you kill Allah!")
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To: ClearCase_guy
And to live at a stone age level up until just a few thousand years ago and then -- poof! -- for serious civilization to start springing up everywhere in the world simultaneously.

When you start from a false premise, your conclusions will be incorrect.

10 posted on 03/08/2011 5:13:54 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: elcid1970

Build a Wal Mart out there and watch that change.


11 posted on 03/08/2011 5:14:39 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Pharmboy

If the African-Africans were the first and only people, who paid taxes for their welfare checks? S/Off


12 posted on 03/08/2011 5:20:52 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, in honor of Standing Wolf.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Jim Noble
I am a Wolpoffian/Multiregional guy too...AND in this article they imply this by stating that the later populations out of Africa hooked up with extant regional H. erectus, etc. Whereas in years past the politically correct OOA anthros and population geneticists wouldn't HEAR of this, they are now coming around.
13 posted on 03/08/2011 5:27:38 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

The Gods Must Be Crazy


14 posted on 03/08/2011 5:32:52 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Froggie sez water nice and warm)
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To: Shimmer1
about Coca Cola..

15 posted on 03/08/2011 5:49:09 AM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Pharmboy
researchers say the most likely location for the 'cradle of humanity' is the Kalahari desert
And you KNOW why they migrated ...

16 posted on 03/08/2011 6:15:04 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Thanks Pharmboy.

One view is that the Khoisan languages a.k.a. the click languages -- which are largely found in southern Africa today -- are most like the first languages (personal quibble: for which there are living descendants) because the clicks are very hard to learn non-natively, and whatever their etymological origin, as McWhorter (probably et al) pointed out, it's easier to imagine that earliest languages had clicks, and they were dropped over the eons, rather than that a relative handful of languages later added the clicks.

Another thing that's interesting from McWhorter's lecture on this is that there are a couple of surviving click languages way up in Tanzania, and one way to reconcile that is to say, the Khoisan speakers used to be the whole population, but got pushed out for the most part during the Bantu migration.

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17 posted on 03/08/2011 5:25:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: oh8eleven

LOL! The greatest, ever.


18 posted on 03/08/2011 5:30:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; GOPBlonde; Caipirabob

LOL!


19 posted on 03/08/2011 5:31:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Pharmboy

Well put.


20 posted on 03/08/2011 5:32:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Jim Noble; ClearCase_guy; Pharmboy; blam

Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal Attraction Race and Human Evolution:
A Fatal Attraction

by Milford Wolpoff
and Rachel Caspari
hardcover


21 posted on 03/08/2011 5:33:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Pharmboy

it appears to me that there is a current dogma today which states that H. Sapien came from Africa. It is so embedded in academia that no evidence can shake it, or no idiotic statement supporting it will be questioned.IMHO


22 posted on 03/08/2011 6:07:40 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Pharmboy

All this sounds like unadulterated pure BS...


23 posted on 03/08/2011 6:11:22 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: ClearCase_guy
Of course, my worldview allows for the belief in miracles. But the secular humanists? They ought to find such miracles hard to swallow.

The sum total of things viewed as miracles in the Bible is probably somewhere between 20 and 50. Evolution on the other hand requires believing in a trans-finite sequence of absolute zero-probability events and probabilistic miracles. Which is the religion?

Other than that the whole idea of modern man evolving from hominids is basically untenable at this juncture.

24 posted on 03/08/2011 7:05:12 PM PST by wendy1946
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......Kalahari desert region of South Africa, Namibia and Botswana. The modern-day click-speaking bushman from the desert show the greatest genetic diversity......

When I read that the first thing I thought of was that great old movie.......

The Gods Must Be Crazy

All Time Great Flick!
Anyone who hasn't seen it is missing out on a good movie.

25 posted on 03/08/2011 7:17:58 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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The Gods Must Be Crazy

When I was in the Navy machinery division named ourselves "The Raging Rhinos" because all we did we run around stomping out fires.

26 posted on 03/08/2011 7:20:58 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pharmboy
I posted this to FR years ago but they made JimRob delete it:

African Click Language 'Holds Key To Origins Of Earliest Human Speech'

27 posted on 03/08/2011 7:22:54 PM PST by blam
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To: Pan_Yan
LOL. That was one of the great scenes from the movie when that Rhino stomped out the fire.
lol
One of the many great scenes.......
28 posted on 03/08/2011 7:25:54 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Shimmer1

No wonder we like Coca Cola.


29 posted on 03/08/2011 7:46:33 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: blam

I remember that point of view, and probably first read it on your post.


30 posted on 03/09/2011 4:10:50 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

31 posted on 03/09/2011 4:44:01 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Pharmboy; SunkenCiv

As I recall, most theories about animal life start with all life beginning in the seas.

Don’t dolphins communicate in a ‘click’ language? Perhaps we are descended from dolphins or at least are cousins who left the sea in search of....

Next time I see a dolphin, I’m gonna say “Hi cuz,” and see what happens.


32 posted on 03/09/2011 9:59:45 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Cacique

Gotta fit the observations into the worldview, donchaknow?

The worldview (ie, the presuppositions) come first,
and then all interpretations of evidential observations is filtered through those presuppositions.


33 posted on 03/09/2011 10:02:22 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Waverunner

LOL! When I saw this thread the first thing I thought of was that movie. Great movie BTW!


34 posted on 03/09/2011 10:40:48 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: wildbill

Not bad, not bad at all. Although, dolphins have internal testicles.


35 posted on 03/09/2011 6:09:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Fiddlstix

:’)


36 posted on 03/09/2011 6:19:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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Great movie BTW!

I assure you from personal experience, the scenes about the Land Rover were not slapstick comedy. They were sober well-researched absolutely accurate documentary. The replacement in the Kalahari of the Land Rover by Toyota trucks absolutely eliminated the romance of Africa. It removed all the adventure in a breakdown a zillion miles from nowhere.

37 posted on 03/09/2011 7:02:26 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: SunkenCiv

Ckik,clik,clik. (translation. And a good thing they are internal. Wives will be discouraged from coveting)


38 posted on 03/10/2011 6:03:46 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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