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Florida panthers and Yellowstone wolves in the backyard (that's good, ya know)
BBC ^ | March 7, 2011 | Nick Clarke Powell

Posted on 03/08/2011 7:17:30 AM PST by decimon

Predators such as wolves, bears and panthers are being reintroduced close to where people live, as a growing number of scientists believe they may hold the key to restoring damaged ecosystems.

"It used to be we would see it once every year or so, but now it's every two weeks," said Al Sanchez.

"I'm starting to panic when I hear noises. If I come out here I'm concerned I'm going to be his prey."

Mr Sanchez and Reg Malone, who live in a densely populated suburbs of Naples, Florida - a city of 300 000 people - are regularly visited by a Florida panther, a sub-species of the cougar, and have been left unnerved by the close encounters.

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The return of the predator to our world is not without risk and difficulty, but Dr Smith sees predators as a crucial ally in the ongoing battle to reverse environmental decline.

"We know they compete with us. We know they occasionally kill us.

"You know we're going to have to work through that but it's worthwhile.

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(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: florida; insanity; predators

1 posted on 03/08/2011 7:17:32 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

I had a panther living across the street. It was eating the wild hogs.


2 posted on 03/08/2011 7:23:23 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: decimon

Thats what they make guns for.


3 posted on 03/08/2011 7:23:25 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: decimon

We have panthers in our neck of the woods. Several family members and friends, including myself, have seen them the past few years. Not sure if they are just migrating through or live here year round. State Game & Fish Commission won’t admit it to this day that we have them in the state. I don’t go into the woods without a pistol or a rifle.


4 posted on 03/08/2011 7:27:32 AM PST by OB1kNOb (You just proved that advertising works by reading this message!)
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To: decimon
Lots of critters around these days. Heard coyotes howling their heads off from the woods bordering my neighborhood, saw four deer standing at the edge of the highway, had an otter run across the road in front of my car, saw a coyote casually sauntering down the edge of the highway...

None of these encounters are especially impressive, I know, but living in the suburbs one doesn't get to see much wildlife.

Oh, and two hawks lived in my woods last year. Wheeling and diving at scooping up rodents, they were very entertaining to watch. I heard them cawing (what sound do hawks make?) this morning. I hope they're back for the season.

5 posted on 03/08/2011 7:28:55 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Does your stream of thought have fish in it?)
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To: decimon

This is an act of terrorism!


6 posted on 03/08/2011 7:32:32 AM PST by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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To: decimon
We know they occasionally kill us - we're going to have to work through that, but it's worthwhile”

Dr Doug Smith
The Gray Wolf Restoration Project

Of course, this f* doesn't imagine himself being killed and eaten.

It's up to the plebes to be wolf-food.

Anyway, the plebes are out there carbon-footprinting the world. Better to kill as many of them off as possible, right Doug?

7 posted on 03/08/2011 7:39:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Tigen

Dr. Smith is an idiot. Florida Panthers do not see humans as “Allies”. They see us as food.


8 posted on 03/08/2011 7:40:26 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: decimon
"We know they compete with us. We know they occasionally kill us.

"You know we're going to have to work through that but it's worthwhile.

So Dr. Smith, let's take a walk in the woods shall we?

9 posted on 03/08/2011 7:45:23 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: riverrunner

Is open carry, on your own property in Florida legal?


10 posted on 03/08/2011 8:00:48 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: decimon
We know they compete with us. We know they occasionally kill us.

"You know we're going to have to work through that but it's worthwhile

This man seems to be a little cavalier with other people's lives. But maybe it's just me.

On a practical note, If a bear attacks you, you might survive by playing dead. If you don't seem to be a threat to his (or her) territory, he might let you live.

But a cougar is on the hunt. Playing dead will just get you eaten sooner. Your best shot, if you can't get away, is to fight like hell with anything that comes to hand.

Good luck out there to all you nature lovers.

11 posted on 03/08/2011 8:00:55 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: decimon

And I understand the administration is training the animals to only eat Republicans.


12 posted on 03/08/2011 8:07:03 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: decimon
The return of the predator to our world is not without risk and difficulty, but Dr Smith sees predators as a crucial ally in the ongoing battle to reverse environmental decline.

Yeah, for other people; there's no way in hell this ****head would tolerate panther's living within 100 miles of himself and his own family.

13 posted on 03/08/2011 8:14:00 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: driftdiver

Feral hogs. Just a pet peeve of mine. Unless it is one of the wild boars brought here for hunting preserves that got loose the hog is a descendant of livestock brought over by early settlers, Spanish and English, so they are feral hogs. That is one reason you are allowed to hunt them on most privately owned land without needing a permit from FWC.

I got to see a Florida Panther in the wild some years back. The cats are very territorial and they need a fairly large predatator to prey ratio so that and loss of habitat is impacting them.


14 posted on 03/08/2011 8:14:26 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: 2001convSVT

Depends on if you are in a dry county. Oh you meant guns.


15 posted on 03/08/2011 8:15:57 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

LOL,yes guns, LOL.


16 posted on 03/08/2011 8:17:07 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: 2001convSVT

You would have ask some one that knows Fl. law. opencarry.org would be a good place to start.

It legal in Wis. We have lots of wolves, bears, coyotes and and a few mt lions around where I live. I a;ways have a gun handy.


17 posted on 03/08/2011 8:27:56 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: chesley
If it is a black bear that attacks you the last thing you want to do is play dead.

Black bear attacks at almost always predatory they want to eat you. fight back with every thing you have.

Just do a google search on bear attacks lots of good info on them.

18 posted on 03/08/2011 8:33:56 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Could be. I’m just reporting what I read in “Outdoor Life”, or “Field & Stream”, or some such magazine.

Still, running isn’t likely to do much good in any event.

I’ll repeat something I read long ago about grizzly bears. I think it was George Herter who said it. The quote isn’t exact, but the essence is this, “There are people who will tell you that if you don’t bother the bear, he won’t bother you. But what these people are forgetting is that it is the bear who decides if you are bothering him or not. Sometimes, just being within a mile of him bother him”.

Still, I wouldn’t mind getting a glimpse of the mythical Alabama panther that we keep hearing doesn’t exist.


19 posted on 03/08/2011 8:44:27 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: lastchance

Feral or wild, there is no practical difference within the context of my post.

If you want to get technical the Florida panther isn’t really a panther.


20 posted on 03/08/2011 8:51:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It is a subspecies.

I make the distinction between feral and wild so folks know they can rid themselves of the pigs which are a major nuisance. Any time you can take a nuisance and change it into BBQ is a good time. I believe this even though I don’t eat pork. Some good Florida eating especially with a side dish of Swamp Cabbage. Add in some cold beer and you have Nirvana.


21 posted on 03/08/2011 9:00:55 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: decimon

Wolves, bears and panthers should be sent to D.C. it could clean that joint up too.


22 posted on 03/08/2011 9:11:25 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: 2001convSVT

Generally open carry of firearms on your own property is legal in Florida. I say generally because it depends on where you are. If you are in town then you might get a visit from the cops and a possible charge of brandishing. Depends on your neighbors.

Out in the more rural areas its not too much of a problem. I live outside the city in an area being over developed. Since we are in the county its legal to shoot as long as the bullet impacts within the property. However certain neighbors frequently call the cops because of the noise.


23 posted on 03/08/2011 9:12:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Celtic Cross

depends on the type of hawk. Most likely its a red tail hawk... they make a shreik like call. There are other types oof hawks and falcons that are learning to live with man as well. It really is ammazing how adaptable they are. Best to try and get a real good look at it, maybe a picture and then try to ID it either on the internet or by talking to someone at you local zoo.


24 posted on 03/08/2011 9:14:16 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: lastchance

Florida panthers were cross bred with cougars aka mountain lions. The panther doesn’t exist anymore.

If it oinks and runs around in the woods then its wild.


25 posted on 03/08/2011 9:17:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: chesley

Having hunted,backpacked,camped and lived in bear county for over 50 years. not all bears well leave you alone if you leave them alone.

I prefer to be well armed in bear county.


26 posted on 03/08/2011 9:21:38 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: driftdiver

Did they ever put the crossing tunnels under Alligator Alley? They were going to do this so the Florida panther would’nt get hit by traffic while crossing the Alley.


27 posted on 03/08/2011 9:25:08 AM PST by depenzz (Its what you learn after you know it all that counts.)
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To: depenzz

I think there are some tunnels under the road down there. The entire length has chain link fences to keep people from getting eaten by gators.

The panther living in my area ended up getting hit by a car. Right outside a soccer park with lots and lots of little kids.


28 posted on 03/08/2011 9:28:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The only reason they ever were a subspecies was because they were isolated from other panther populations. If memory serves they were interbred with Eastern Cougars as a way of increasing the numbers. It has been several years since I spoke with the FWC’s expert on the Florida Panther so forgive my inexactness.

If it is the descendant of domestic livestock it is feral. Just like there is a distinction between wildcats and feral cats.


29 posted on 03/08/2011 9:30:09 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

yer splittin hairs, not uncommon for people from your part of the state.

:)

they are hogs and they are wild.either way they taste good properly bbq’d


30 posted on 03/08/2011 9:47:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: OB1kNOb

If the government alphabet soup idiots say there is no cougar in the area and you shoot one, you really didn’t shoot it cause its not in your area...perfect to use their logic.


31 posted on 03/08/2011 9:52:18 AM PST by goat granny
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To: driftdiver

It is a fault I admit. Yes on the BBQ. I don’t like the critters. Horses hate them and coming across one while on horseback is something we used to dread when I was a teen.

When we lived on the river we had a redbone hound and a retriever mix. They both used to get into tangles with the hogs that lived on the undeveloped land across the river from us. They never did manage to bring home the bacon though they surely did give it their best.


32 posted on 03/08/2011 9:58:19 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

Hearing the cat scream, and the hogs squeal as they died, right before you go outside sure gets your attention.


33 posted on 03/08/2011 10:02:02 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: OB1kNOb
State Game & Fish Commission won’t admit it to this day that we have them in the state.

Just last week the feds declared the Eastern Panther extinct!

34 posted on 03/08/2011 10:12:48 AM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: decimon

The reintroduction of big predators has nothing to do with bringing back animals that are missed. It’s all about getting rid of hunters. “There’s not enough deer or elk left for you hunters. What do you need rifles for now?” There is not one single doubt in my mind that the liberals want to get rid of all privately held firearms so they can impose their will on everyone.


35 posted on 03/08/2011 11:29:53 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer.")
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To: houeto
Just last week the feds declared the Eastern Panther extinct!

I'll have to tell my son in law that the panther his friend saw a couple of months ago chasing a deer across the road in front of his truck and his neighbor who saw one a few days later sitting in her long driveway scouting out her cattle in the adjoining field, that there's nothing to be concerned about since it's extinct. ;-)

36 posted on 03/08/2011 11:35:46 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Islam is like termites. They get access through your weakest point and then cause great destruction.)
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To: OB1kNOb
I'll have to tell my son in law that the panther his friend saw a couple of months ago chasing a deer across the road in front of his truck and his neighbor who saw one a few days later sitting in her long driveway scouting out her cattle in the adjoining field, that there's nothing to be concerned about since it's extinct. ;-)

That and the black one that is living in the woods out back behind my house.

37 posted on 03/08/2011 11:54:44 AM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: driftdiver

My husky got out today and ran off. We found him approaching a car, trying to go for a ride. The young man inside was freaked out, thought he was a wolf. LOL


38 posted on 03/08/2011 7:29:31 PM PST by Shimmer1 (They told me I was gullible and I believed them.)
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To: Shimmer1

Our county has an estimated 700,000 feral cats, we have bobcats, coyotes, otters, opossums, and these beautiful herons that are always in a mated pair. The panthers are noticeably larger than the bobcats. As for the wild hogs (feral if you wanna be technical), those are pretty easy to distinguish.

We even have some huskies around the neighborhood but no wolves. Thats one problem we dont have.


39 posted on 03/09/2011 4:10:28 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: decimon

“We know they compete with us. We know they occasionally kill us. “You know we’re going to have to work through that but it’s worthwhile.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

These people are complete idiots. They are card carrying members of the Culture of Death. I call them the death eaters.


40 posted on 03/09/2011 5:06:13 AM PST by wintertime
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To: blueunicorn6

Very good point!


41 posted on 03/09/2011 5:07:41 AM PST by wintertime
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