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Police Officer Shoots Dog on School Campus
Fox Charlotte ^ | March 3, 2011 | Fox Charlotte

Posted on 03/09/2011 7:45:20 AM PST by Immerito

MONROE, N.C.--Concern in Monroe after an officer shot and killed a dog in front of high school students. One of those kids emailed us saying the officer acted inappropriately.

Police say a German Shepherd was chasing a student at Central Academy of Technology and Arts. Investigators say the dog was acting aggressive and charged when the officer approached so she shot the animal.


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There is more information available in the comments than in the actual article. It appears that the officer shot the dog while animal control was less than a minute away.

The dog was shot while a large group of high school students were out of the high school, a decision which could have been potentially fatal for one or more of the students.

1 posted on 03/09/2011 7:45:23 AM PST by Immerito
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To: Immerito

http://www.foxcharlotte.com/news/local/No-One-Charged-After-Cop-Shoots-Dog-in-Front-of-High-School-Students-117465168.html

MONROE, N.C.—No charges after an officer shot and killed a dog right in front of high school students in Monroe. Cops say the German Shepherd was chasing a student at the Central Academy of Technology and Arts so they shot the animal. Police say no charges will be filed against the dogs owners.

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Really? This gives the impression that the police want this investigation to be closed, as though they are aware that they will not be in the right even if they do charge the owners for, say, violating local/state leash laws.


2 posted on 03/09/2011 7:47:12 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

Win win situation. If the dog had bitten someone the police could also be blamed.

Typical


3 posted on 03/09/2011 7:50:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Immerito

It wouldn’t surprise me if it was on a leash being walked by a little old lady.


4 posted on 03/09/2011 7:50:59 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: cripplecreek

If the police had shot a student, they would also be blamed.

Do you suppose that firing a weapon while innocent bystanders (students) are within firing range is proper gun handling?


5 posted on 03/09/2011 7:51:11 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

Of course, if the DO charge the dog’s owners, they’ll escalate this thing in the media. They don’t want that, either.

Lesson: Get control of your animals.
If my dog were shot, I’m sure I’d be pissed off, too.
That’s why I get my head right BEFORE that can happen and make sure my dog is under my control.

I take an entirely different view when a dog is shot on the owner’s property, however.


6 posted on 03/09/2011 7:52:25 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Immerito

I agree.

If the dog owners did nothing wrong, why was their dog shot?

So anther cop gets to learn the secret handshake?


7 posted on 03/09/2011 7:52:52 AM PST by maine yankee
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To: Immerito

“The dog was shot while a large group of high school students were out of the high school, a decision which could have been potentially fatal for one or more of the students.”

Absolutely correct, they could have been shot.


8 posted on 03/09/2011 7:54:01 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Immerito

Yes.
I’m sure the gun handling was fine.
At some point, somebody is always going to be “within firing range” if a cop needs to discharge his weapon.

The real question is wether the shooting was justified.


9 posted on 03/09/2011 7:54:20 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: cripplecreek

No charges for failing to contain an aggressive dog? No charages even though the dog was, according to the police, aggressive?

That suggests strongly that the police quickly figured out that the dog’s behavior wasn’t a primary problem in the case, and several commentators indicated that the animal was petted by several students.

Finally:

“thats what i been trying to say what if the bullet ricochete and hit A INNOCENT person look where thunder was shot at in the flower bed by the building but he charged her and she shot him is what she claims ok then why was he shot in the back of his head and out his throat WHY because she shot him from behind he NEVER charged her”

Why would a cop shoot a charging dog in the BACK of its head?


10 posted on 03/09/2011 7:54:26 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: SJSAMPLE

If the bullet had ricocheted and hit a student, would the cop’s decision to fire have also been “fine”?

What if the bullet ricocheted and killed the student?


11 posted on 03/09/2011 7:55:45 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

On the facts so far I am with the police officer.


12 posted on 03/09/2011 7:56:45 AM PST by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: Rapscallion

So, you believe the police officer to be an incredible shot, managing to shoot the BACK of a charging dog’s head?


13 posted on 03/09/2011 7:57:38 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

The dog was charging, and you want them to wait until animal control got there? Were you there so you can give us more information? I find this story to be so short on details that I can’t really make much of an educated opinion, but you seem to have a hard and fast one, that the police were wrong and put lives at risk, so please share the information that you have. Thanks.


14 posted on 03/09/2011 7:58:18 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Rapscallion

Moreover, if the police officer was in the right, why no (justly deserved, in my view) ticket for the owners for failing to comply with the leash law? No fine for the dog’s purported aggressive behavior?

The actions of the police are more consistent if you suppose they examined the facts and decided the officer used poor judgment.


15 posted on 03/09/2011 7:58:58 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: maine yankee

BINGO!

I think she screwed up and they couldn’t bring charges. But I could be wrong.

There is something strange about this story. If a large aggressive dog was chasing a kid with intent to bite, the shooting would be justified. But dogs chase kids all the time and play with them and kids run from dogs and play back all the time. We had a dog who came out during recess and played with us all the time like that and no body got bit - ever. Hostile intent on neither side need necessarily be there. How do you tell the difference? I don’t know. Has the dog had a track record of biting people? How old was it? Did it know the kid and was it playing with him/her? How could the cop tell? Should a cop shoot when its not clear what the situation is? Is it fair to second guess the cop when you weren’t there?

It just seems like there are too many incidents of cops shooting dogs these days.


16 posted on 03/09/2011 7:59:22 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: Immerito

Time for yet another “Magic Bullet Theory”.

If the cop was behind the dog as it allegedly chased a kid, she was shooting toward the kid, too.

Comforting thought.


17 posted on 03/09/2011 8:00:13 AM PST by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: brytlea

The dog was shot in the back of the head. How does one shoot a charging animal in the back of the head?

Why would the police not charge an owner who certainly merited a fine for violating a leash law, or a fine for failing to contain an aggressive animal?


18 posted on 03/09/2011 8:01:45 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

IMHO, I don’t give darn if the animal control officer was on scene. If a dog is free and lunging at people, I have no problem with an officer shooting it to protect himself or others.


19 posted on 03/09/2011 8:02:30 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: Immerito

IMHO, I don’t give darn if the animal control officer was on scene. If a dog is free and lunging at people, I have no problem with an officer shooting it to protect himself or others.


20 posted on 03/09/2011 8:02:42 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: Immerito

What if, what if, what if?

It DIDN’T.
That doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a RESONABLE chance of hitting a student. There also might not have been a reasonable chance of hitting a student. We don’t know, but the fact that a student WASN’T hit argues in the officers favor (as far as gun handling).

Saying that a weapon can’t be discharged because people are “around” isn’t going to work. I’ve spent thousands of hours on the firing line and in actual live-fires with soldiers, cops and civilians around me. Nobody was injured by direct fire or a richchet, ever. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen under different circumstances, but it didn’t because of training, organization and skill.

If the students weren’t in the line of fire, if the officer was sure of the backstop or impact material, then the shooting might have been “safe” (though not necessarily justified). I would say that the risk to the students (what percentage?) would have to be weighed against the urgency of the shooting. Sort of an Expected Value (EV) kind of thing. The dog wasn’t a madman with a knife, but it was “chasing” students. So, the lower urgency of the “chasing” dog should be weighed against the actual risk to the students.


21 posted on 03/09/2011 8:03:53 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Immerito

Looks like another weenie PC department. The female chief says that the police don’t like to shoot anyone but....

As usual it most likely involves an officer who cannot handle him /herself physically and therefore resorts to shooting as the first response to any percieved threat.


22 posted on 03/09/2011 8:05:08 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: brytlea

Charging? Probably more like Ned and Jimbo on South Park “quick, he’s coming right at us”. I am inclined to believe that US Police like to shoot dogs. It apppears to be their default behavior whenever they see one. They would fit right in with the Baghdad cops, who are also big on shooting dogs.


23 posted on 03/09/2011 8:05:30 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Immerito

Are you suggesting that the police may never, under any circumstances, fire their weapon if there are any bystanders in the area? Seriously? It’s time, then to take the firearms away from our police officers, and issue billy clubs like they do in England./s


24 posted on 03/09/2011 8:06:03 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

The dog was shot from the back of it’s head. If it was chasing a student at the time, than the student was in the DIRECT pathway of the bullet.

When you are at the range, I doubt you will fire your weapon if you see any people DIRECTLY in the path of your bullet.


25 posted on 03/09/2011 8:06:41 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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And, if this is true:

“thank you the voice and all we are asking for is the truth and we cant get that..noone knows what the children here are going through but yet they want to get on here and down grade the RETIRED POLICE DOG these children loved.”

Then this cop shot a retired police officer, in the eyes of the law.


26 posted on 03/09/2011 8:08:18 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

You can’t envision a scenereo where a police officer would rightly fire upon a dog that is charging? Are you suggesting that the only time a LEO may fire upon a charging dog is when the LEO is the one being charged by the animal? Seriously? This article states there was a student that the dog was charging. Is it really difficult to see that the officer was protecting the student?


27 posted on 03/09/2011 8:08:55 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

I am suggesting that if the dog was, as claimed by the officer, to be chasing/charging at students (hence the reason it was shot) and since the dog was shot in the back of the head, the officer was foolish for firing a weapon when the student(s) being chased were conceivably in the bullet’s path.


28 posted on 03/09/2011 8:09:59 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: SoldierDad

Where is the evidence that the dog was “lunging” at people?


29 posted on 03/09/2011 8:11:21 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

It was shot in the back of the head (I assume—read the comments) because it had someone pinned behind a tree. The to (last) comment seems the most cogent. I will say, reading them really makes me depressed about the state of education, but that’s a whole other thread. Again, do you have some information you’re not sharing with us or do you just hate cops this much?


30 posted on 03/09/2011 8:12:54 AM PST by brytlea
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To: SoldierDad

“This article states there was a student that the dog was charging. Is it really difficult to see that the officer was protecting the student?”

The article says that the [female] cop claims the dog was charging.

This is the same dog that was shot in the back of the head.


31 posted on 03/09/2011 8:14:30 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: jospehm20

You can be inclined to believe whatever you like. Doesn’t give it any weight, however.


32 posted on 03/09/2011 8:14:53 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Immerito

Where is ANY evidence? I haven’t seen anything at all presented that appears to be evidence.


33 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:12 AM PST by brytlea
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To: brytlea

“It was shot in the back of the head (I assume—read the comments) because it had someone pinned behind a tree. “

Which means, of necessity, that when the dog was shot, a student was in the direct pathway of the bullet, if the student was literally “pinned” (i.e., literally INCAPABLE of moving away from the dog, as opposed to capable, but electing not to do so).


34 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: brytlea

Whatever. BTW, the Baghdad cops were trained by mostly American cops and they shoot dogs on sight as SOP. Coincidence?


35 posted on 03/09/2011 8:17:57 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: brytlea

The evidence lies in the facts that the cops first claim they shot an aggressive, loose dog, then they elected not to press charges against the dog owners.

For any responsible dog owner (and there are many of them on FR), that contradiction should raise nice, bright red flags with regards to the implied rightness of the cop’s actions.


36 posted on 03/09/2011 8:19:45 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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All I can say is you clearly hate cops. (that’s the ONLY evidence being presented to me here). So, it is useless for me to go any further with this discussion. I will not change your mind because you have no further information, and I certainly don’t. I’m sorry you are so blinded by your feelings. It must be awful for you. God bless you.


37 posted on 03/09/2011 8:20:35 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Immerito

Where is the evidence that the officer was firing upon the dog with students in the direct line of fire?


38 posted on 03/09/2011 8:21:15 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: jospehm20

“the Baghdad cops were trained by mostly American cops and they shoot dogs on sight as SOP”

No connection.

The Bagdad Police are Muslim pigs. The Koran considers dogs unclean animals and Muslims hate them.


39 posted on 03/09/2011 8:21:55 AM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: jospehm20

Yeah, exactly. The American cops managed to somehow train the Iraqi cops to act like Iraqi cops acted while Saddam was in power/s. Do you have any evidence of any kind that Iraqi cops did not shoot dogs in Iraq before 2003?


40 posted on 03/09/2011 8:23:10 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: Immerito

“Charging” - “Lunging” - semantics.


41 posted on 03/09/2011 8:23:54 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: jospehm20

Interestingly, in my long long life I have met cops, and I have had many dogs. And I have known a few k-9 officers, come to think of it. None of my dogs have ever been shot or even threatened by a cop. None of the cops I know, or know of have ever shot a dog. No one I know has ever had a dog shot or threatened by a cop. Oh, wait, I am wrong. Once when I was a little girl, living on Clark Air Force Base in the PI, I did witness a GSD shot and killed by the military police (that counts) because he was running loose and had rabies. But otherwise, nope, they don’t seem to be on a dog killing spree as far as I can tell.


42 posted on 03/09/2011 8:23:54 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Immerito
So, the kid brings his dog with him to school ~ SCREECH ~ a big ol' stop right there.

I'm guessing there's no leash law, but kids walk to school ~ probably from nearby.

These people lived there a month and the dog walked the kid to school. The fambly thinks we should all be happy, that "big jim", the cowardly big guy who hid behind the tree deserved it or something.

I think I'm seeing the picture here.

Dog goes to school with kid.

43 posted on 03/09/2011 8:24:12 AM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: Immerito

I’m highly cynical of most police-dog shootings I read about. But nothing in this one, makes me think it was improper.

A dog that is being aggressive off of its home turf is generally a problem. Unless there is something else to this story, I’ll have to give the benefit of the doubt to the policeman.


44 posted on 03/09/2011 8:25:18 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Immerito
Since neither you nor I were there, it is exceedingly difficult for either of us to suggest that the officer did, or did not, fire at the dog with a student being in the direct line of fire. However, is there no way that you could envision a scenery where the officer was positioned such that the student was not in the direct line of fire? You make a huge assumption based upon your bias against LEO’s.
45 posted on 03/09/2011 8:27:00 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

If one believes the claim that the dog was shot in the back of the head because it had a student “pinned” behind a tree, then a student was, of necessity, in the path of the bullet.


46 posted on 03/09/2011 8:27:08 AM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

Since neither you nor I were there, it is exceedingly difficult for either of us to suggest that the officer did, or did not, fire at the dog with a student being in the direct line of fire. However, is there no way that you could envision a scenereo where the officer was postioned such that the student was not in the direct line of fire? You make a huge assumption based upon your bias against LEO’s.


47 posted on 03/09/2011 8:27:15 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: Immerito

Not necessarily true. Show me video of this incident.


48 posted on 03/09/2011 8:28:00 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier preparing to deploy to Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2686009/posts This is all about wolfises and their friends.


49 posted on 03/09/2011 8:28:30 AM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: Immerito

First I will put my responsible dog owner bona fides against yours any day. In fact, against anyone’s.
Second, I think I made it pretty clear I was done with you. It’s pointless. Just stop. If you want to claim victory, go ahead, do a little dance if it makes you feel better.


50 posted on 03/09/2011 8:29:00 AM PST by brytlea
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