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Apparently You're Not Legitimately Rich If You Have Less Than $7.5 Million.
Business Insider ^ | 03/15/2011 | Katya Wachtel

Posted on 03/15/2011 12:21:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

So it turns out millionaires get money envy too.

Apparently the benchmark for when the rich actually think of themselves as rich, is about $7.5 million, according to the results of a Fidelity Investments survey on the subject, says the NY Post.

Over 1,000 households were surveyed that had an average of $3.5 million in investable assets.

Less than half of those, approximately 42 % said they don't feel like they're rich, and would need about $7.5 million to make them feel: I'm wealthy.

Apparently those that did say they think of themselves as moneyed, "were younger on average and have a greater number of remaining years in the workforce," said the Post.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: rich; wealth; wealthy

1 posted on 03/15/2011 12:21:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The original article here from the New York Post:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/millionaire_blues_you_got_not_really_sxyVaF82VpWCrG3LbjVBFK

EXCERPT:

Millionaire blues: You’re not really rich unless you’ve got $7.5M

How much does it take to feel wealthy these days? For many millionaires, it’s about $7.5 million, according to a survey by Fidelity Investments.

“Wealth is relative, and to some extent the more you have, the more you realize how much more you need,” said Sanjiv Mirchandani, president of National Financial, a subsidiary of Boston-based Fidelity, in an interview before the survey’s release yesterday.

The more than 1,000 households surveyed had an average of $3.5 million in investable assets. About 42 percent said they don’t feel wealthy, saying they would need about $7.5 million to feel rich.

The 58 percent of respondents who said they do feel wealthy were younger on average and have a greater number of remaining years in the workforce, said Mirchandani.

There are about 5.5 million US households with at least $1 million in assets, or about 5 percent of the population. Millionaires control 56 percent of the country’s wealth, according to Fidelity.

The survey found millionaires’ outlook for the future is the most positive it’s been in at least four years. “They’re beginning to feel that perhaps we’re turning the corner on a more consistent basis,” said George Walper Jr., president of Chicago-based Spectrem Group, a consulting firm that tracks attitudes among millionaires.

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2 posted on 03/15/2011 12:23:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow, that’s great...so after Obama and Bernanke get done hyperinflating the USD, we’ll all be rich!


3 posted on 03/15/2011 12:23:56 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting article....I guess a Million doesn’t go as far as it used to......So can we now call Obama one of the “Rich”??


4 posted on 03/15/2011 12:24:30 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree. If you only have 1 or 2 million in financial assets, you’re just upper-middle-class.


5 posted on 03/15/2011 12:25:05 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind
“Wealth is relative, and to some extent the more you have, the more you realize how much more you needWANT,” said Sanjiv Mirchandani, president of National Financial, a subsidiary of Boston-based Fidelity, in an interview before the survey’s release yesterday.

No matter how much I have, I almost always want more.

6 posted on 03/15/2011 12:29:04 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: proxy_user

Financial assets—yes. Investable assets set at a million=wealthy. This is usually the minimum for certain wealth management firms. With housing (especially in California still) it is much easier these days to be in the asset category you mentioned for the upper middle class.


7 posted on 03/15/2011 12:32:21 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone once asked John Rockefeller how much was enough. His reply was: “just a little more.”


8 posted on 03/15/2011 12:33:04 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: bigbob

As agent Maxwell Smart said, “I just missed it by that much”.


9 posted on 03/15/2011 12:35:36 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: SeekAndFind
Being rich means you can have anything you want. I realized a long time ago that if my wants were modest, it would be easy for me to be rich. So by keeping my wants modest over the years, I was able to have anything I wanted. Therefore I'm rich. At more like $75K than $7.5M.
10 posted on 03/15/2011 12:36:38 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Wealthy" means you can stop working and enjoy a comfortable lifestyle on just the income from your investments.

$7.5 million, invested in 5-year t-bills with a rate of return of 2.125%, would produce a yearly income of $158K.

Many government union retirees with guaranteed pensions would be effectively considered wealthy.

11 posted on 03/15/2011 12:39:13 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: JoeFromSidney
Many years ago I asked a friend of mine, Jack Tramiel the president of Commodore Business Machines, how you knew when you were rich. He was a Polish Jew and a graduate of a concentration camp at the age of 17. At the time he was worth maybe $100M. He gave me the perfect answer.

“You are rich when you make more than your wife can spend!” He didn't even pause to think!

12 posted on 03/15/2011 12:43:29 PM PDT by BillM
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not legitimately rich.

How do you define legitimately poor?


13 posted on 03/15/2011 12:43:56 PM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sad part is we could take everything from anyone with over a million, and we might pay for the last couple of years deficits.


14 posted on 03/15/2011 12:44:20 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll take half in cash right now!


15 posted on 03/15/2011 12:46:41 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So an investment firm believes you are wealthy if you possess $7.5 million in assets, but the government believes you are wealthy if you make $250,000 a year in taxable income ... whats wrong with this picture.


16 posted on 03/15/2011 12:48:19 PM PDT by dartuser ("Dealing with preterists is like cleaning the litter box ... but at least none of the cats are big.")
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve got it all wrong. Rich is anyone who has more money than Michael Moore.


17 posted on 03/15/2011 12:49:16 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a big difference between assets and income.

A person with a $5 million business, might only be taking $100,000 in income (or less).


18 posted on 03/15/2011 1:13:45 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d consider myself rich if I just made 1/4 of a million...


19 posted on 03/15/2011 1:14:03 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: JoeFromSidney
I realized a long time ago that if my wants were modest, it would be easy for me to be rich.

Indeed! I've seen people of every economic spectrum unhappily living beyond their means.

I've seen people who drive $70,000 cars, only putting in $10 of gas, because that's all they've got.

I can honestly say that I can buy most anything that I want to with cash (including new cars), but that is only because I don't buy everything that I see.

20 posted on 03/15/2011 1:19:15 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: GOP Poet

I do not understand your comment - how do financial assets differ from investable assets?

In my view, a financial asset is money or securities in an account that you can take in cash at any time.


21 posted on 03/15/2011 1:24:13 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: stuartcr

RE: I’d consider myself rich if I just made 1/4 of a million...


Well, good news... Obama and the Dems AGREE with you.

$250,000 is the threshold by which you are rich enough to have your taxes INCREASED.


22 posted on 03/15/2011 1:27:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: dartuser

Well, if you have your $7.5 million invested in stocks paying 3.33%, then your dividends are about $250K. Seems about right to me. You could invest for higher returns, but most rich guys prefer to accumulate untaxed capital gains.


23 posted on 03/15/2011 1:29:00 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

RE: In my view, a financial asset is money or securities in an account that you can take in cash at any time.


What about rental properties that you own and from which you are getting current income ( and from which you can POTENTIALLY make money in the future should you sell it )?

Those are financial assets aren’t they?


24 posted on 03/15/2011 1:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I admit I don’t have any assets in that class, so I don’t have to think about this.

What I do when I calculate my net worth is not count the value of my dwelling, since I need a place to live. Everything else I have is in financial accounts. But there are many guys with businesses, rental properties, etc. The question is how to value them. If you had to sell immediately, as quickly as you could sell a stock, then the price would be on the low side. But they would definitely couunt as wealth, not consumption.

I think the original article is talking just about bank and brokerage accounts.


25 posted on 03/15/2011 1:33:36 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: BillM

Reminds me of the time my (ex) wife’s purse was stolen with all of her credit cards. I didn’t cancel them immediately because the thief was spending less than she did.

/rimshot


26 posted on 03/15/2011 1:41:23 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Would I have brought it up if I thought it was outrageous?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I am working on my second million.

I just gave up on making the first million.


27 posted on 03/15/2011 2:10:06 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

RE: Well, I am working on my second million.

I just gave up on making the first million


I once spoke to a millionaire, he told me he became a millionaire after he got married. I asked him what he was before he got married, “A billionaire” he replied. :)


28 posted on 03/15/2011 2:13:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Apparently You're Not Legitimately Rich If You Have Less Than $7.5 Million.

And I'm proof.

ML/NJ

29 posted on 03/15/2011 3:02:14 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: SeekAndFind
“Wealth is relative, and to some extent the more you have, the more you realize how much more you need,” said Sanjiv Mirchandani, president of National Financial, a subsidiary of Boston-based Fidelity, in an interview before the survey’s release yesterday.
That's pretty much what Elisa Dolittle's father learns in My Fair Lady. He could be irresponsible when he had nothing to lose - but once he had the possibility of staying out of the poorhouse, continuing to behave in a way that guaranteed that he would end up there was no longer an option.

30 posted on 03/15/2011 3:18:52 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good thing that’ll never happen...unless I win the lotto.


31 posted on 03/15/2011 3:38:25 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: SampleMan
I can honestly say that I can buy most anything that I want to with cash (including new cars), but that is only because I don't buy everything that I see.

Exactly. Rich is making less than you spend, and knowing you could spend more but realizing that you don't really want or at least need the extra junk and clutter.

32 posted on 03/15/2011 4:10:33 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

RE: He could be irresponsible when he had nothing to lose - but once he had the possibility of staying out of the poorhouse, continuing to behave in a way that guaranteed that he would end up there was no longer an option.


Well, what can I say ? “Middle Class Morality” ain’t what it used to be anymore. Not in Britain and certainly, not in the USA.


33 posted on 03/15/2011 4:28:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Dang - just a po boy. Never mind; rice and cabbage are okay for me.


34 posted on 03/15/2011 11:58:40 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Pollster1

You know, so many people (and the government) don’t realize that many purchases are actually just a down payment on an obligation to keep spending money. e.g. cell phones, boats, large houses, pools, etc. I always look at the carrying cost.

I really am at a point in my life where I have more money and want less stuff. The only thing that I break this rule on is antique firearms. I make a point of only buying when I can get them for 20% or less of going auctin prices (which makes it fun for me), and they appreciate over time. Even at that, I find myself wanting to trim down the collection.


35 posted on 03/16/2011 5:15:44 AM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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