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US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians
The Guardian ^ | March 21, 2011 | Jon Boone

Posted on 03/21/2011 6:32:48 AM PDT by driftdiver

Commanders in Afghanistan are bracing themselves for possible riots and public fury triggered by the publication of "trophy" photographs of US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.

Senior officials at Nato's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul have compared the pictures published by the German news weekly Der Spiegel to the images of US soldiers abusing prisoners in Abu Ghraib in Iraq which sparked waves of anti-US protests around the world.

They fear that the pictures could be even more damaging as they show the aftermath of the deliberate murders of Afghan civilians by a rogue US Stryker tank unit that operated in the southern province of Kandahar last year.

Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army
The America haters are still quite busy
1 posted on 03/21/2011 6:32:52 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Civilians my ass! If they have a weapon or support equipment, they are a combatant, no matter WHAT CLOTHES they are wearing!

FU UK Guardian.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 6:37:41 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (HA! Not even Bill Maher thinks Odumbo is a Christian! HAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: driftdiver

YAWN! I dont really care...good for our guys, Im sure whomever they strung up and gutted, deserved it.


3 posted on 03/21/2011 6:40:04 AM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1
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To: Mr. Jazzy; driftdiver

The UK Guardian is extremely left-wing and anti-American.


4 posted on 03/21/2011 6:40:04 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito Ergo Conservitus.)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

I’m concerned about our troops that are getting rail-roaded.


5 posted on 03/21/2011 6:42:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The facts are not out yet but it does look very dim for these guys. This whole thing came about because of their drug use. They were very into hash that they were getting in the villages. Even the groups I belong to regarding unjust prosecution of our troops is not touching this one.

There are e-mails and conversations that one of those accused had been trying to alert what was going on for 4 months through his parents, only to have his parents ignored by the Army. Either way this is bad and my son will be boots on the ground there when this hits. Der Speigel can publish all it wants but realize that most Afghans, especially in the outer villages cannot read so this will be relayed by word of mouth and will morph into something even more outrageous. Pray for those who will feel the repercussion of this.


6 posted on 03/21/2011 6:58:11 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: driftdiver
The terrorists that killed 3000 at the World trade center were civilians. Hamas and Al kiada are civilians. Muslim kill teams seem to be innocent.
7 posted on 03/21/2011 7:10:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: panthermom

In any large group of people there will be cases where bad stuff happens. I know our troops can do stupid stuff.

I object to these newspapers using it to hurt America and our troops in harms way.


8 posted on 03/21/2011 7:16:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mountainlion

There’s nothing we can do that would be worse than they do to each other.


9 posted on 03/21/2011 7:17:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

If there ever was such a thing as a “defenseless Afghani civilian”, he died thousands of years ago, alone and childless.


10 posted on 03/21/2011 7:20:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (If Mohammed were alive today, he wouldnÂ’t be allowed to live within 1000 yards of a school.)
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To: driftdiver

I agree. I will tell you though what I have a huge problem with the military with though. The prescribing of the psycho-tropic drugs. And truthfully it is not only the military but everybody using these drugs as an easy fix. While the vast majority do not have the bad reactions, when they do occur it worse than what it started at.


11 posted on 03/21/2011 7:29:28 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: driftdiver

the sad part is you’re right. such “kill team” activity ought be exploited . And our armed forces ought multiply such teams.
If the enemy sees these photographs and hears such a team is or might be deployed against them the team has the advantage
if the enemy is afraid of you he will be easier to defeat. IF the enemy is enraged—and hates you -he will make mistakes.
If the Americans were not led by anti-Military communist dupes—they would study War in the Shadows— and Sun Tsu, and consider the tactics used by the American natives we call Apache.


12 posted on 03/21/2011 7:31:42 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Tainan

Perhaps just such a team ought be deployed against the UK Guardian -as an educational /training exercise?


13 posted on 03/21/2011 7:34:06 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: panthermom

I had forgotten this—seems old news-as you put it.
And if you are right about the “hash” this is no “team” any
reasonable warrior would be part of. The idea of the photo- op with an enemy removed -if the team has a rep in AO as a terror-then I have no problem with the staged art.


14 posted on 03/21/2011 7:42:15 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: driftdiver

I’m guessing the NYTimes and other outlets will tout this as Obama’s fault, as Abu Ghraib was Bush’s.


15 posted on 03/21/2011 7:42:15 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

“I’m guessing the NYTimes and other outlets will tout this as Obama’s fault, “

yeah I just bet they will


16 posted on 03/21/2011 7:52:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dead

Drudge red headline: OBAMA GHRAIB


17 posted on 03/21/2011 8:51:31 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
We can still count on Drudge.

When Bush was president, it was a no-brainer for the NYT to run the Abu Ghraib story on the front page for something like 47 days in a row.

They'll love the anti-military angle, but they can't prevent it from harming Obama. What a quandry for them.

18 posted on 03/21/2011 8:54:31 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: driftdiver

It will be interesting to see how the Obama Administration and their NY Times allies handle this.


19 posted on 03/21/2011 9:00:14 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: driftdiver

Who exactly identified these corpses as “civilians”? Always consider the source.


20 posted on 03/21/2011 9:01:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: driftdiver
I’m concerned about our troops that are getting rail-roaded.

And 0bama will be happy to order Holder to do the railroading.

21 posted on 03/21/2011 9:03:06 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers - Good to the last drop!)
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To: dead

When Afghanistan erupts over this, the Times isn’t going to have much of a choice, they’ll have to cover it. I’m sure they’ll blame Gates, putting maximum emphasis on the fact that he’s a Bush holdover.

Regardless of what the media does, these guys have pretty much sealed our fate in Afghanistan. Nothing was learned from Abu Ghraib. They’ve put every man in woman in-country in a hell of bad spot. Damn kids and their f***ing cell phone cameras.


22 posted on 03/21/2011 9:06:10 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: JimRed

Once the media declares them “innocent”, it’s nearly impossible to remove the label.

That’s why you don’t take trophy pictures. It’s way too easy for the enemy to make use of them.


23 posted on 03/21/2011 9:12:01 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: StonyBurk

That is how the whole thing came about. A new soldier arrived and was threatening to go to command about the hash use and they beat the crap out of him.


24 posted on 03/21/2011 10:41:33 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: mountainlion

That’s where civilized society differs from the barbarians. We do not slaughter innocent civilians. Accordingly, our military forces are trained to avoid civilian casualties.

Of course, in modern warfare, “collateral damage” can scarcely be avoided. The operative word, in the Just War doctrine, is that innocents may not be DIRECTLY targeted. I.e., we do our very best to avoid civilians, but unfortunately by unforeseen circumstances they sometimes fall into harm’s way.

The situation is made particularly difficult when fighting Muslim extremists, who have no compunction against fighting from positions where civilians are present, even hiding behind women and children while in firefights. We rightly consider this despicable; they have few moral qualms about such behavior. Still, the hallmark of a noble people is that we maintain our convictions in the face of great adversity.

Let us not stoop to the perverted logic of Arab terrorists who, for example, justify the slaughter of Jewish women and children because “the women will only bear more Jews, and the children will only grow up to be Israeli soldiers...” By that inhuman reasoning random killing of anyone can be “justified.”

As a nation we are, and I hope we shall always remain, better than that. As President Bush once said (not an exact quote; he may have been quoting someone): “America is great because it is good; if we cease to be good we shall no longer be great.”


25 posted on 03/21/2011 10:45:09 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: mountainlion

That’s where civilized society differs from the barbarians. We do not slaughter innocent civilians. Accordingly, our military forces are trained to avoid civilian casualties.

Of course, in modern warfare, “collateral damage” can scarcely be avoided. The operative word, in the Just War doctrine, is that innocents may not be DIRECTLY targeted. I.e., we do our very best to avoid civilians, but unfortunately by unforeseen circumstances they sometimes fall into harm’s way.

The situation is made particularly difficult when fighting Muslim extremists, who have no compunction against fighting from positions where civilians are present, even hiding behind women and children while in firefights. We rightly consider this despicable; they have few moral qualms about such behavior. Still, the hallmark of a noble people is that we maintain our convictions in the face of great adversity.

Let us not stoop to the perverted logic of Arab terrorists who, for example, justify the slaughter of Jewish women and children because “the women will only bear more Jews, and the children will only grow up to be Israeli soldiers...” By that inhuman reasoning random killing of anyone can be “justified.”

As a nation we are, and I hope we shall always remain, better than that. As President Bush once said (not an exact quote; he may have been quoting someone): “America is great because it is good; if we cease to be good we shall no longer be great.”


26 posted on 03/21/2011 10:45:20 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454

Apologies for the double post!


27 posted on 03/21/2011 10:46:51 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The enemy will most certainly make use of them. Remember most Afghans do not read so those pictures will be embelished to portray whatever the enemy says they are. My son is deploying where even the interpreters are useless as they speak their own language and over 90% of the adult population is illiterate.


28 posted on 03/21/2011 10:55:09 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom

Godspeed to your son. Our prayers are with him.


29 posted on 03/21/2011 11:00:35 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

“....murdered civilians...”

“...dead bodies of DEFENSELESS civilians...”

No editorializing there, no.

Sorry M-Fkrs.

I hope the terrorists retailiate by blowing up THE GUARDIAN.

Bunch of treasonous sons of bitches.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 11:03:48 AM PDT by Levante
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To: driftdiver

Can any subscriber to Satan’s religion be “innocent”?


31 posted on 03/21/2011 11:04:25 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: driftdiver
Common practice is get rid of weapons on all dead terrorists, booby traps, the whole lot, sometimes stripping them to their bare a$$es, other times setting a charge about the body just in case. As there's no real "terrorist Al-Qaeda/Talibunnie" army sign up sheet well yes, they COULD be called civilians; civilians with all intent to kill our young soldiers, so F*** them. Seriously, I should just copy/ paste that sentence written almost verbatim since 9/11 and not go through the trouble of re writing this crud.So much bias by sacred bleeding farts , so sick of these articles that paint such trash negativity.

Does any journalist write and take pictures of captured soldiers since pre Ghengis Khan( okay painted maybe back then) of the Korenghal region and other regions ripping soldiers piece by piece by piece by piece? No So until some rag shows the OTHER sides horrors and serious barbarism this canot be formed as a true picture in journalistic perspective, fair and balanced and all that, nope one sided BS.

32 posted on 03/21/2011 11:40:31 AM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: Tainan

The krauts’ Spiegel published the pictures first. But your point about Guardian is right.


33 posted on 03/21/2011 2:14:31 PM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: panthermom

Der Spiegel is quite selective about what it publishes.

Germans have still not done any in depth on the atrocities their own German beasts committed in WWII. What they did back then makes this looks like a prank.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 2:18:14 PM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchtower" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

This is going to ripple for a while.........

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/02/20/1552232/everyone-is-an-enemy.html


35 posted on 03/21/2011 3:02:54 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: driftdiver

I do not believe this for a hot nanosecond inside a black hole universe. There is absofreakinglutely no fracking way a person associated with a black squad would let anyone snap a photo, let alone get a shot of something that could identify dental records.

I CALL BS. complete and utter bs.


36 posted on 03/21/2011 4:58:50 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Other posters have said they have confessed. There was also evidently some drug use.

I have a hard time believing it as well.


37 posted on 03/21/2011 5:03:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Read this about another soldier that knew about the drug use and those involved.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/02/20/1552232/everyone-is-an-enemy.html


38 posted on 03/21/2011 5:41:12 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: driftdiver
...US Stryker tank unit that operated in the southern province of Kandahar...

This article was written by a complete idiot.

39 posted on 03/21/2011 7:12:44 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: combat_boots

They were not a Black Squad, they ranged in age from 19-24. It allegedly started after a new Sgt. came who told the guys he had done the same thing in Iraq. He supposedly made it seem like they were part of special group.

These kids have grown up in a world of FB, Youtube, camera phones and the internet, it is almost like they have no idea what privacy is. Broadcasting things is natural for them.


40 posted on 03/21/2011 7:26:27 PM PDT by panthermom
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