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Self | 3/23/2011 | Vanity

Posted on 03/23/2011 12:14:47 AM PDT by krogers58

Looking for some advice for a concealed carry weapon for the wife. We were thinking a semi-auto, clip fed weapon. She seems intimidated by the recoil on my 9mm (Glock), and was wondering if there was a decent handgun that would give her more confidence with aiming and firing. I was thinking of something like a .380, but I've never shot them to compare them to a 9mm. Obviously they shoot a smaller cartridge, but the gun seems much lighter and would seem to be more susceptible to kick-back. Maybe I'm wrong. I think a .25 auto might be too light. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


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1 posted on 03/23/2011 12:14:52 AM PDT by krogers58
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I’d get her a short barreled .357 or .38 revolver. Get one without a hammer. No slide or mag for her to bother with. Just grab it and shoot, really simple like. The .357 has uber stopping power too. FAR more than the .380(or even a 9mm).


2 posted on 03/23/2011 12:20:02 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: krogers58
Handguns for Handicapped and Very Recoil Sensitive Shooters

Smith & Wesson Model 632 Carry Comp Pro .327 Federal Magnum Revolver

3 posted on 03/23/2011 12:21:49 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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.380 aren’t all that bad. They’ve got pretty much the same caliber as a 9mm, just not as much powder behind it. Range vs shot placement are the two biggest factors there. Chances are if a woman needs it, it’s going to be at point blank range to very short range.

About the Glock though look into a 9mm Springfield XD or some other brand. Your wife’s problem with the Glock recoil may actually be due to the larger grips on a Glock and not really the recoil of the round.

Stay away from the .25, quite possibly the worst round ever made. You’re better off with a pistol that shoots .22lr.


4 posted on 03/23/2011 12:22:01 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: krogers58

try a compact Smith&Wesson MP9...has the ability to change the grip size which might help with some of the recoil issues


5 posted on 03/23/2011 12:24:46 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: krogers58
A local indoor range charges $40 for 1 hr of range time, rental of a firearm and 50 rounds of ammo. Not a bad deal when you are unsure of what to buy.

I am sure you will get a lot of good advice here on FR, but what is comfortable to shoot for practice or self defense classes is so important. Get some range time BEFORE you buy.

I have only had one incidence of flinching, it was a nightmare. I found it is nearly impossible to hit what I was shooting at with my eyes closed.

6 posted on 03/23/2011 12:26:03 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: KoRn; krogers58

I agree there, go with a hammerless revolver.

Only thing lacking really is capacity. Best case scenario shots never get fired even if the gun does get pulled, so capacity doesn’t matter.

Worst case... after that first round the bad guy’s day is pretty much ruined so the followups are just to make sure he doesn’t get back up. Anymore than 3 rounds here and haven’t been training enough.


7 posted on 03/23/2011 12:26:15 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: TYVets

“I have only had one incidence of flinching, it was a nightmare. I found it is nearly impossible to hit what I was shooting at with my eyes closed.”

I find if I shoot with my eyes open I don’t flinch so much! ;)


8 posted on 03/23/2011 12:29:45 AM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Domandred

It will also never ‘jam’ or malfunction.


9 posted on 03/23/2011 12:31:53 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: krogers58
The Kel-Tec PMR30 fires 22 Winchester magnums. The reason this might interest you is because while it's a small caliber, it is still a magnum round while creating relatively small recoil. And best of all, it is a lightweight, slender gun that holds thirty rounds.

One-stop-shots are the best, but they come with recoil. So to balance it, why not have a gun that can unload thirty rounds? No aggressor will take that lightly - if at all.

Anyway, it's an option for those who really just can't stand recoil.

Video: Rapid fire with Kel-Tec PMR30 pistol

10 posted on 03/23/2011 12:33:47 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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I have a Glock G17 for home defense and a .380 for conceal carry. I really don't find either one kicks that much, neither does my wife.
When your wife practices are you using adequate hearing protection. I have found many women flinch when learning to shoot because of the *Bang*.
My wife has learned, with practice, that even a .44 magnum is manageable.
11 posted on 03/23/2011 12:40:31 AM PDT by The Cajun
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To: 21twelve
I find if I shoot with my eyes open I don’t flinch so much! ;)

Now you give me advice. It is 52 years too late, but thanks for the effort.

12 posted on 03/23/2011 12:40:36 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: KoRn

How about a .45 with sub-sonic loads. Very comfortable to shoot, makes big holes.


13 posted on 03/23/2011 12:41:08 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: krogers58

3” barrel .38 revolver.

Lew Horton used to order them up from S&W.

Not always easy to find, but the best compromise between a snub-nose and a too large pistol.

Slightly longer barrel dampens recoil, revolver is SIMPLE to operate and check that it is, or is not, loaded.


14 posted on 03/23/2011 12:44:36 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: KoRn
It will also never ‘jam’ or malfunction.

Not true. I have had revolvers malfunction and break for me while at the range. It was rare and amongst many thousands of rounds fired, but it can happen. One instance is why my blued Ruger Security-Six now has a stainless ejection rod.

15 posted on 03/23/2011 1:00:23 AM PDT by Ghengis
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To: krogers58

Perhaps the “seems intimidated by the recoil” needs a bit more thought. I’d be reluctant to unnecessarily compromise the primary purpose of self-protection. To me, the .45 ACP is the very best defensive round.

For a lightweight carry weapon, consider the Glock 36. It’s one of the lightest (unloaded) firearms on the market. Gotta love the Glock’s point-and-shoot simplicity, reliability, and durability.

For those with small hands, it uses a single-stack magazine. I recommend adding the magazine extender, which gives you a better grip; otherwise, your pinky finger hangs loose. You only get 8 rounds (6+1+1) to carry, BUT you get a very lightweight carry weapon; and, after all, how many rounds are you realistically/probably/likely going to need?

It’s really about trade-offs. Getting used to the recoil may be your best overall choice.


16 posted on 03/23/2011 1:01:11 AM PDT by pyrless (If you're gonna burn our flag, make sure you wrap yourself in it first!)
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To: krogers58

Don’t get a .25, a .22 long rifle has more power than a .25. .380s have enough for defensive use and you can get some good ones. However, the recoil on them is more than one would think but not as severe as a 9MM.


17 posted on 03/23/2011 1:01:45 AM PDT by calex59
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To: krogers58
Make her cut some stuff with your chain saw or reciprocating saw and then take her back to the range. A gun is a power tool, she will be able to handle the 9mm.

The question will be whether she can operate the slide or not. Some women don't have the grip strength for small frame automatics. I have seen some women that can't pull the trigger on DA/SA autos in the double action mode.

If she learns to handle the 9mm, I recommend a Glock 26 with a proper holster. Small, simple, high capacity. With the right ammo you can do a lot of damage.

18 posted on 03/23/2011 1:03:16 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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If we are talking concealed then I want a nice silver plated snub nose .38 that I can jab into someones ribs because I don’t like to miss.


19 posted on 03/23/2011 1:10:29 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: krogers58

If you watch the movie Police Academy, the character Tackleberry might have a couple of suggestions for you.


20 posted on 03/23/2011 1:14:06 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: krogers58

You’ll get endless suggestions on this topic here at FR, as the topic always does. I suggest one thing only: the gun you have with you is better than the gun that’s left at home.

Basically, that means that the gun you’re comfortable carrying, though of smaller caliber, is better than the stopper you’ve left at home because it’s too heavy, too bulky, too unwieldy, or kicks like a mule.

Personally, I like the Walther PPK for its time-tested reliability and security (safety blocks the firing pin); however, the SIG-Sauer is probably just as good, if a bit more expensive, and the Beretta is othing to sneer at.

Then, again, most people will tell you that if you don’t practice regularly, a revolver is best; the Smith and Wesson Chief’s Special is just fine in that regard, and, yes, it is used by a good many Chiefs of Police.


21 posted on 03/23/2011 1:18:39 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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I agree, take her to a range. She should go with the largest caliber that she can comfortably shoot with accuracy.


22 posted on 03/23/2011 1:26:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: krogers58

Take her to a range where they rent different guns to try. Pick a couple S&W small J frame revolvers (Model 60LS), single action and double action, but the hammerless double action only trigger pull may be too stiff for her.


23 posted on 03/23/2011 1:44:45 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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Look at the Bersa Thunder 380 conceal carry while you’re trying out suggestions.


24 posted on 03/23/2011 1:46:34 AM PDT by IOWAfan (Iowa Hawkeye Football Fanatic)
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To: krogers58

S&W Model 60LS can shoot both 38 and 357. She can start out with the lighter 38 loads and work up from there at her own level.


25 posted on 03/23/2011 2:05:05 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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I’ve found that the key to being able to handle recoil is the grip. Get something that your wife can hold securely and comfortably and most of the recoil issues will go away. I would also recommend a hammerless revolver, .38 cal, 2” barrel. A couple of manufacturers now are offering ported barrels and that helps a lot, too, especially if you move up to .357. And I agree with everyone who says stay away from a .25 auto.


26 posted on 03/23/2011 2:14:53 AM PDT by jstaff
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Guns for the Ladies, eg.




27 posted on 03/23/2011 2:50:59 AM PDT by caveat emptor (zippety doo dah)
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My .02 (free advice being worth every penny paid):

Husbands buying guns with/for wives can be (I said can be, not will be, or are) difficult. Hubby's 'suggestions' are sometimes colored by what he would carry, wife's preferences are sometimes shaped by wanting hubby to be happy with her choice of the 'right' gun.

If your wife is having problems with the recoil of a Glock 9mm, then it's entirely the wrong time to buy a pistol for her to carry, unless there's a reason to make it happen now.

In that case, I'd go with the revolver suggestion -- basic, easy to operate in ALL functions (sometimes people who do not have strong hands have difficulty cycling the slide of an automatic).

Anyone who carries is far better off with a weapon with which they are completely independent -- not relying on assistance to load, or to make ready, or to holster, or to unload, or to chamber check, etc.

Likewise, it needs to be a weapon which does not induce that moment's hesitation before pulling the trigger, as the shooter anticipates recoil.

I'd rather have my wife carry a .22 revolver she was comfortable and proficient with, than a .45 she was hesitant to pick up.

In the event of actually having to draw it, a calm person with a pistol is a lot more likely to regain control of the situation than someone shaking and waving a gun all over the place.

28 posted on 03/23/2011 2:51:21 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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What KoRn says is true.
Look for a .38 snub nose with an internal hammer.
Just less for her to screw up.


29 posted on 03/23/2011 3:13:26 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy, the man is too small.)
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Make sure it’s actually the recoil that she doesn’t like. My wife doesn’t much care for the slide movement when a semi-auto is fired, but she’s fine shooting revolvers that have more recoil than my 9mm semi-auto. Over the years, she’s gotten used to that aspect of semi-autos and will shoot them, but when she was starting out, she disliked it enough that she went with a revolver for home defense.

Don’t know how much shooting experience your wife has, but if she doesn’t have much, she might consider getting a .22 pistol and putting a few thousand rounds downrange before ruling out a 9mm pistol. May be that she just needs the comfort of familiarity with shooting in general in order to get comfortable with shooting a 9mm.


30 posted on 03/23/2011 3:15:16 AM PDT by FreedomForce (A conservative 2012)
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skip the clip fed handgun. get her a can of wasp spray.


31 posted on 03/23/2011 3:35:16 AM PDT by KingLudd
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I’d go with the first poster’s suggestion and add that there are lots of feather weight model revolvers out there. I don’t care for them but your wife may.


32 posted on 03/23/2011 3:59:50 AM PDT by goseminoles
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Why I love my “Stretch” Snubby "J frame'

My only addition has been Crimson Trace lasergrips. They improved my targets and confidence 1000%. I practice with .38s also.


33 posted on 03/23/2011 4:01:56 AM PDT by Daffynition ( DBKP ~ Death By 1000 Papercuts)
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To: Java4Jay

34 posted on 03/23/2011 4:07:58 AM PDT by catman67
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To: krogers58
Looking for some advice for a concealed carry weapon for the wife

Practice.

A lot.

35 posted on 03/23/2011 4:08:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: Talisker

Nice. I could see this fitting my wife better than the XD-9.


36 posted on 03/23/2011 4:25:36 AM PDT by st.eqed
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Kimber Pro CDP II. Not too big. Not too small. Just right. If I’m dressed, it’s in my pocket.

CC


37 posted on 03/23/2011 4:30:09 AM PDT by CapedConservative (Stop Obama)
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To: krogers58

Ruger SP101 .327 Federal Magnum


38 posted on 03/23/2011 4:33:24 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: krogers58
The Desert Eagle is a large-framed gas-operated semi-automatic pistol designed by Magnum Research in the U.S. and by IMI in Israel in 44 magnum or 50 AE or Smith & Wesson Model 500 is a five-shot, double-action revolver produced by Smith & Wesson, firing the .500 S&W Magnum cartridge.

One shot stopping POWER!

39 posted on 03/23/2011 4:53:14 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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FORGET AUTOS!
Too many problems to list; i.e. limp wristing, slide spring too heavy, ammo problems, etc.
Forget the ‘concealed hammer’—it makes the trigger pull hard, and accuracy for the unskilled is non-existant.
You need ‘cock and shoot’ for starters.
Revolvers of the proper size are the way to go. Get one with all the power you can handle, then PRACTICE!


40 posted on 03/23/2011 4:54:31 AM PDT by Flintlock
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To: IOWAfan

The Bersa is the one I was going to recommend. Got one for my wife, she loves it and she cannot stand recoil well. Load it up with the 90gr Corbons and you have a platform that is superior to 38s with a 2 inch barrel. She likes it over the Glock because of the external safety.

The low profile sights on the gun are great too as I have taught her to point shoot at the very close range this gun is designed for...self defense...nothing more. “if you are shooting at something beyond 25 feet, you have no reason to be using a self defense gun”.


41 posted on 03/23/2011 4:55:01 AM PDT by Mouton (Government expands to fill any voids in freedom.)
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To: Flintlock

>>it makes the trigger pull hard, and accuracy for the unskilled is non-existant.<<

I respectfully disagree. CTLasergrips! ;D


42 posted on 03/23/2011 4:59:41 AM PDT by Daffynition ( DBKP ~ Death By 1000 Papercuts)
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To: krogers58

This might help (note that it needs to be a pink 0.38): http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/22/armed-beauty-queen-fatally-shoots-intruder-florida-home-invasion/#


43 posted on 03/23/2011 5:09:50 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Silver plated”? Right, Kemosabe.


44 posted on 03/23/2011 5:10:48 AM PDT by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: KoRn
I’d get her a short barreled .357...

Because defense .357 Magnum rounds out of a lightweight revolver has far less recoil than 9mm out of a semi-auto.

Did you read that part about "intimidated by recoil"

45 posted on 03/23/2011 5:13:26 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Pray for Obama (Psalms 109:8))
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To: IOWAfan

I have one and like it. Light easy to shoot, accurate, and small. Get the larger magazine. It gives you a longer grip.


46 posted on 03/23/2011 5:16:23 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Domandred

I agree with the recommendation about the Springfield XDm 9mm. I am a woman with a small hand and have no problems with my Springfield. The XDm comes with small, medium and large backstraps, and are fairly easy to switch out. I installed the small backstrap and it fits perfectly in my hand. No problems with recoil. I could shoot that gun all day without a lot of fatigue, and that’s saying something because I have had arthritis surgery on both hands over the past two years.


47 posted on 03/23/2011 5:21:45 AM PDT by piperpilot
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To: krogers58
Women under stress and SA weapons are a VERY bad choice. Even if you drill constantly.

I worked with a guy in the 70’s that was shot by his wife at point blank range 6 times with a 25 Auto. That was Friday night. He came to work on Monday.

Get her a wheel gun in 38.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766382_-1_757893_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

Remember it is very embarrassing not to mention often fatal to get shot woth your own gun.

48 posted on 03/23/2011 5:23:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: krogers58; KoRn; Daffynition; IOWAfan
If your wife is good with trigger-finger strength, definitely look at suggestions by KoRn in 2, and Daffynition in 33, for good ideas in a DA wheel gun.

If she has no problem working the slide in a semi-auto, the Bersa .380 that IOWAfan mentioned in 24 is a good carry choice. Not as compact as the tiny ones like Keltec P3AT, but recoil is not nearly as noticeable.

Finally, as many have mentioned, go to a gun range and let her try a few different guns, and see if she finds one, about which she says "I can carry and fire this one all day long".

Good luck.

49 posted on 03/23/2011 5:31:54 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: krogers58

You might want to consider a Makarov or the Polish variant. Not much recoil and works every time. The 9x18 is between a .380 and a 9mm. The Polish ones are @ 200.


50 posted on 03/23/2011 5:35:07 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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