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Jimmer grows dimmer
ESPN ^ | March 25, 2011 | Rick Reilly

Posted on 03/27/2011 2:29:46 PM PDT by Colofornian

...So that's the end of Jimmermania. Saw it for myself. Caught the closing act. Not impressed.

SNIP

You can take off those "Romney-Fredette in 2012" T-shirts now.

Except for a stretch...Fredette was brutal.

Yes, he scored 32 points, but...took 29 shots...He seemed to be wearing a blindfold from the 3-point arc -- 3-for-15...committed six turnovers and wandered aimlessly through the lane on defense like Moses in the desert. I've seen dead people play better defense. At least they occasionally trip people.

SNIP

"He's a little Maravich," a guy in a BYU shirt told me.

No! No, he isn't! He's not within a mile of Mardi Gras floats of Maravich. Maravich could get his shot off from the bottom of a swimming pool. He could get 40 in handcuffs. He averaged 44 points a game in college (to Fredette's 28 this season) and that's without the 3-point shot. With it, studies of his game film have shown, he would have averaged over 55.

SNIP

...until he shows more interest in defense than a blind man has in rainbows, he's going to spend most of his NBA life sitting on padded folding chairs.

Florida missed a trey with 24 seconds to go and Fredette's man, Erving Walker...beat him to the long rebound. It wasn't hard. Fredette was nowhere to be found. I'm not even sure Fredette knew who his man was the entire night. Florida wound up with a reset and the last shot.

SNIP

Note to Jimmer: To get the ball, one must occasionally check one's man and/or box said man out. One did neither.

"...[his defense] has gotten progressively worse over the year," says Fredette's own teammate, Nick Martineau. "From the start, he's never really been accountable to it, but it's just gotten looser as the year's gone on..."

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: byu; jimmerfredette; lds; mormon
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To: Scoutmaster

Hey, don’t get me wrong. I’ve stated I was a big fan of Pete, and he had fabulous talents. But he shouldn’t have been taking forty shots a game. He was a great passer and could have setting up the other players. He still could have averaged around thirty points a game, but his assist totals would have made everyone else a better player. In my own opinion, with another coach other than his father, Pete would have been a better player and LSU a better team. Having his coach for a father hurt Pete, and made it tougher for him to fit in the pros.


41 posted on 03/28/2011 12:34:10 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat; dirtboy
Excuse me. They went into overtime with Florida..

Excuse me. As I said, a 12-8 baseball game in 10 innings is not exactly a shave.

It's not like you both can just take a pen & cancel out the extra period just 'cause you didn't like the results.

Some teams hang with the other for 35 minutes...might be tied after 35 minutes. But then they get a drubbing the last 5 minutes. So what? Are you going to negate the last 5 minutes just because you only want to favorably present the first 35 minutes?

That's what both of you have done on this thread. You want to emphasize the first 40 minutes at the expense of noting the last 5 -- when BYU got drubbed. Go ahead, if you wish & deny the drubbing took place those last 5 minutes.

42 posted on 03/28/2011 1:26:20 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: rintense; dfwgator; Ripliancum
It’s about a young, white man of extremely high character (aka a Christian) being torn down...

(Hmm...and here I thought Christians only believed in a single god...Mormons embrace a head god who appointed a man-god for this world...his wife (or wives)...a council of gods that the head god's a part of...Jesus and the Holy Ghost as two more separate gods...and then temple Mormons apparently become gods...)

Maybe some people need a less on where religions & mathematics intersects.

43 posted on 03/28/2011 1:30:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

SIGH... you’re missing the point. To the MSM, he’s a Christian and therefore worthy of being torn apart.


44 posted on 03/28/2011 1:33:10 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: rintense
To the MSM, he’s a Christian and therefore worthy of being torn apart.

(Oh, so journalists don't know about magic underwear...how our bodies are supposedly alien spirits from the planet Kolob...& how Lds are gods-wannabes...that's all top secret stuff from sports writers who think Lds are "Christian"...Oh, I get it)

(You know you just might read what some sportswriters were writing about Lds...say 1970s...might actually improve your take on this lot...when a lot of the Christian community was doin' the wink-wink-nod-nod silence about Mormons in the 1970s, some sportswriters were actually addressing Mormonism's racism that kept blacks from becoming priests & getting access to their temple...)

45 posted on 03/28/2011 2:03:53 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: driftless2
I've always attributed Maravich's 'lack of success in the NBA' (if you can say that about a player who was voted one of the Top 50 NBA players of all time) in the NBA to the fact that that he was surrounded by mediocre talent at best on the Hawk and Jazz teams for which he played virtually his entire 10-year NBA career.

What amazes me about his 68-point game is that I believe he had six assists. If there had been a three-point line, it's estimated he would have scored 75 - and it's commonly thought that the two offensive fouls against him where baskets were denied were horrendous calls. We're talking a 79-point game with two trips to the line.

Perhaps LSU would have been a better team; perhaps Pete would have been a better NBA player, if he hadn't shot so much. There are plenty of lists that rank him the second-best NBA shooter in history, behind Bird. Others clips that show the top ten passes in NBA history show four or more of his. Whatever the case, there's never been anyone like him, before or since. Not that he was the best player. He just had skills that nobody else has every shown.

Nobody in the NBA - nobody - has ever had Maravich's ball-handling skills or passing skills, not even Bird when it came to passing skills. Maravich had more no-look assist passes in a season that other 'highlight film' players enjoy in a career.

When he died, and ESPN put together highlight reels, people said "D*MN! As each play surpassed the play before it for four straight minutes."

I'm not an NBA fan. I watched those highlights - and other reels of highlights since - and almost wept at what I missed.

46 posted on 03/28/2011 2:55:44 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: Colofornian

Your hatred for everything LDS is getting you a bit carried away don’t your think? I don’t have time to hate your church, I hope you experience there is a great one. I loved my Methodist church growing up. They were great people.


47 posted on 03/28/2011 2:59:06 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Colofornian
And you might want to stop hiding behind stupid parenthesis, and assuming journalists are smart, let alone aware of aspects of Mormonism.

But nice try using an idiot liberal's trash of Jimmer support your hate of Mormonism.

48 posted on 03/28/2011 4:22:30 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: Colofornian

Pretty much any game in overtime is a shave. It was a 2 possession game midway into overtime, not really much of a beatdown. Plus, BYU beat Florida the year before in OT. So Jimmer has some success against them.

In 2010, he got 37
In 2011, he got 32

Thats pretty good.


49 posted on 03/28/2011 4:39:20 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: driftless2
I check 3 pt percentages for Goudelock and Fridette and they are .407 vs .396 respectively saw Gouelock vs Wichita state. If you like 3 pt shooting check that game. It was a circus.
50 posted on 03/31/2011 11:19:50 PM PDT by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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