Skip to comments.Is this the first ever portrait of Jesus?
Posted on 04/03/2011 10:23:10 AM PDT by mandaladon
The incredible story of 70 ancient books hidden in a cave for nearly 2,000 years
The image is eerily familiar: a bearded young man with flowing curly hair. After lying for nearly 2,000 years hidden in a cave in the Holy Land, the fine detail is difficult to determine. But in a certain light it is not difficult to interpret the marks around the figures brow as a crown of thorns.
The extraordinary picture of one of the recently discovered hoard of up to 70 lead codices booklets found in a cave in the hills overlooking the Sea of Galilee is one reason Bible historians are clamouring to get their hands on the ancient artefacts.
If genuine, this could be the first-ever portrait of Jesus Christ, possibly even created in the lifetime of those who knew him. The tiny booklet, a little smaller than a modern credit card, is sealed on all sides and has a three-dimensional representation of a human head on both the front and the back. One appears to have a beard and the other is without. Even the makers fingerprint can be seen in the lead impression. Beneath both figures is a line of as-yet undeciphered text in an ancient Hebrew script.
Astonishingly, one of the booklets appears to bear the words Saviour of Israel one of the few phrases so far translated.
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It’s been proven a fake.
Yes, I suppose one could.
I just as easily see an unkempt hippie from the Haight-Ashbury after a bad night.
I just hope this statement doesn't trigger mass killings worldwide...
< /sarc >
You sure that ain’t Ronald McDonald?
Actually, it's been proven as debris from a flying saucer crash from around April 1, 134 A.D.
“extremist Zealot sect”
Man. The zealots were proved 100% correct, the Romans killed millions in Jerusalem, and 2000 years later the Daily Mail is calling them “extreme”.
It was the Romans who killed the millions Daily Mail.
But the people who opposed them were “extreme”.
Just goes to show, YOU *****MUST***** WIN.
Hah...I knew it!;-)
Its been proven a fake.
“It appears the IAA believed the booklets were forgeries on the basis that nothing like them had been discovered before. “
or this ‘proof’?
“The samples were then sent to the Swiss National Materials Laboratory at Dubendorf, Switzerland. The results show they were consistent with ancient (Roman) period lead production and that the metal was smelted from ore that originated in the Mediterranean. Dr Northover also said that corrosion on the books was unlikely to be modern. “
Where is a link to your source that it is a fake?
I hadn't read far enough before I asked for a link. Sorry!
I hadn't read far enough before I asked for a link. Sorry!
Scholars Doubtful About Metal Plate Documents' Authenticity
Other Bible scholars and archaeologists contacted by Christianity Today were equally skeptical. "Don't get too excited until we know what we have," said Darrell Bock, Research Professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary. Archaeologists pointed out that any ancient item discovered out of context faces huge hurdles before it can be authenticated and properly dated.
Then on April 1st, no less, the blog Paleojudaica posted a letter from Oxford University lecturer Peter Thonemann, which identified the text from one page of a codex as a crude reproduction of an inscription from an ancient tombstone that has been on display in an Amman museum for the past half century. "The only possible explanation is that the text on the bronze tablet was copied directly from the inscription in the museum," Thonemann wrote.
Well what do you think about that...the cheese pizza was right!
I suppose that's possible.
Looks like a lion head to me.
I was disappointed to hear the theories of fakery. But, of course, where there's money to be made, there's always a clever forger around.
To me it looks like the face of a lion.
Well, Christ is called the “Lion of Judah”. ;^)
First I heard of this so-called find was on Coast-to-Coast last night. For those who don’t know, that’s Art Bell’s old show, hosted by George Noory and assorted fill ins since Bell retired, moved to the Phillipines, and got himself a young wife. Since this is a C-to-C subject, that does not bide well for these metal books to be authentic.
Maybe it’s Azlan.
A metallurgist should be able to determine if the metal is consistent with that from the claimed era?
The process seems to be analogous to wood-cuts of more than a milennium later, and used a less-than-likely medium flat metal, that would have required multiple contemporaneous advances: metal imprinting of a "block at a time," lacing codex imprints together well before individual examples, and "negative engraving" of lettering to produce positives and mass-producible metal stamping. If these practices had existed in the first century or thereabouts, it is beyond curious and bizarre that these advances became "lost to the world," not to be used again by others for many hundreds of years.
The soup Nazi says THESE are the original recipes. After he copied them, grandmama had them securely bound and put in a cave. The soup Nazi remembers it well.
It hasn’t been proven or dis-proven one way or another,it will be years to ascertain,
BTW, I looked up ancient lead tablets and this is nothing unusual, there were similar tablets from Corinth, they had curses written on them.
Regardless of it’s authenticity, is is, much like the “Shroud of Turin” pretty interesting.
It might also be interesting to put a picture of the “Mandilion” or facial portion of the Shroud next to or superimposed over this mysterious (if not somewhat dubious) image for comparison.
Producing such raised / “3-D” images on sheet metal is a very ancient and fairly simple process which can be accomplished with hand tools. IIRC it’s called “Repousse’”.
I’ve done it; how complicated can it be?
It’s Scrooge’s lion door knocker with the ghost of Marley. See post 32
Looks to me like one of those dinner rolls I’m supposed to be able to find Jesus’ face in.....yet I never can. But I hear they go for big bucks on e-bay.
I read your link, but is he even talking about the same codices? The photos of this find out of Jordan look and sound very different than the find he posts photos of and writes about—the way the inscriptions are written look nothing alike. They were even discovered in different places, so...
These look and read like possibly two separate finds that are being lumped together.
Time will tell, I guess.
FAKE METAL CODICES: MEDIA FAIL
The mainstream press just keeps churning this stuff out, oblivious to the specialist bloggers who have already demonstrated that the inscribed metal plates are forgeries.
Jordan demands that Israel return stolen artifacts (Jerusalem Post)
I can't find anything more from the BBC, which perhaps is to their credit a little. It's possible that they now have a clue and are trying to pretend that the whole thing never happened. But is it too much to hope for coverage of the debunking of the story?
As I've said before: when you read or hear, well, anything in the mainstream media, keep in mind that this is their mode of operation. Seize on a sensationalist story (while frequently ignoring interesting stories that are real but not sensationalist); no problem if the story is generated by an obvious crank, as such things frequently are; be too lazy to check out the crank's credentials or too ignorant to read the "energy vibration" warning signs; distort and sensationalize anything said by actual specialists; fail to make a few phone calls to outside specialists for a view; fail even to Google the story to see if any informed bloggers have a view or better information; and instead repeatedly draw on dubious press releases and earlier media stories, often focusing on and playing up the most lurid elements of the earlier coverage.
Background here and just keep following those links.
UPDATE: Aargh! The AP has been snookered too and the story is now multiplying like maggots on the carcass of the media's credibility.
UPDATE: At Rogue Classicism, David Meadows has a careful analysis of the latest from the Daily Mail and the Telegraph: Lead Codices Once More into the Reach.
posted by Jim Davila | 4:50 AM
Maybe you could do one with the “litterbox” picture of the face on Mars.
Show me the pic, please.
Regardless, whether fakes, frauds and/or original art. I can see only one beneficiary from the sudden discovery of these marvels.
Their backgrounds and projects currently engaged in came across as pretty flaky to me.
At that point I began to get skeptical about these plates.
Ooooohhh...I like the lion motif.
Consider the speculation that the Sphinx was built during the age of Leo.
And why not the face on Mars at the same time the ancient astronaut gods were jump starting us?
Elkington must be a solid source...he’s been a guest on Coast to Coast.;-)
What's weird is...I looked these people up on Wiki the other day and today I can't find these bio entries. Were they scrubbed because they came across as too wacky? Tin foil hat on.
I suspect that as the Middle East continues to become more unstable, the Ark of the Covenant, the Tomb of Jesus and the Temple Treasury will all suddenly re-appear.
After the location of John the Baptist's Cave was announced, we heard that searchers were close to locating the Temple Treasury. I'm waiting for somebody to claim they've located the Ark and the treasury.
Actually, I've long thought that the WOT will ultimately bring MORE stability to the ME. And, if conservatives achieve some of their long-term goals in drilling domestically and the result of that is less dependance on foreign oil, the ME countries may have to find alternative sources of western dollars.
Working for a revived fascination for biblical sites and our historical Judeo-Christian heritage would be to the benefit of the ME countries. A surge in tourism would provide new jobs and revenue in the ME. Yes, and along with this will be a plethora of fakes and forgeries.