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FOOD SHORTAGE

Posted on 04/04/2011 5:07:41 PM PDT by 7thson

What is the general opinion that there will be a food shortage in the United States? Also, what do people recommend? What to purchase? How to store? How to prepare? Any good web sites to go for tips?

Thank you in advance.


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1 posted on 04/04/2011 5:07:44 PM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

One thing I think a lot of people overlook which could be really valuable in a situation where one could not get all the food they needed is vitamins.

I always keep a two year supply.

I don’t think we are going to get to the point where there is no food but it might get scarce and expensive.


2 posted on 04/04/2011 5:10:42 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 7thson

There will only be a food shortage for people that survive on prepackaged, processed food.


3 posted on 04/04/2011 5:13:06 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: 7thson

What is the general opinion that there will be a food shortage in the United States
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Won’t be any in our White House. Mooch-elle will assure us of that as her rear porch expands and her cankles enlarge. When you look at her pipe-stem armed, skinny husband, it looks like she’s also eating off his dish.


4 posted on 04/04/2011 5:13:48 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: 7thson

I do not think there will be a food shortage but you never know how expensive it may be to purchase. My son, on the other hand, does believe that there will be a wheat shortage and he stocked up on flour which has to be stored in airtight containers so the bugs do not get in. He also stocked up on dried beans, powdered milk, sugar and some other staples. It is always good to be prepared for emergencies anyhow.


5 posted on 04/04/2011 5:14:58 PM PDT by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: yarddog

Nonhybrid seeds for victory gardens,
home canning knowhow,
Sacks of Rice and Beans for short term
Ham radio knowhow and solar generation to run it


6 posted on 04/04/2011 5:15:39 PM PDT by omega4179 (No war for Brotherhood.)
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To: 7thson

http://www.survivalcave.com

http://www.grandmascountryfoods.com


7 posted on 04/04/2011 5:16:23 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: 7thson
FOOD SHORTAGE

Never happen.

We have a more than ample supply of soylent green.

8 posted on 04/04/2011 5:16:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 7thson

I think there will not be any long term food shortage in the US like there will be in other countries. I think that we will experience one or two week shortages of items due to spiking fuel prices. The supply chains will be disrupted. In that case keeping a months worth of rice and beans should be the minimum.


9 posted on 04/04/2011 5:17:56 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 7thson

When things are on sales or discounted, I tend to stock up on those items.

Unless of course they are perishable items then I buy them only as needed.

But for example I have been hoarding incandescent light bulbs since the ban on them passed and will go into effect next year. Hopefully the Congress will stop that insanity from going forward.


10 posted on 04/04/2011 5:18:02 PM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: 7thson

I don’t know. I mean, it’s not like there aren’t six dozen threads a day on FR about economic collapse and preparedness, or anything. Nah, it hasn’t even been discussed at all yet.


11 posted on 04/04/2011 5:18:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: 7thson
Why don't we start by outlawing the idiotic national government practice of forcing farmers to plow crops under in excess of their stupid quotas. Good place to start, eh?

Next lower taxes.

Next outlaw national government minimum wage which eliminates jobs and creates disincentives for new or growing business including agriculture.

Next, disband FDA, a problem-creating agency that's worse than a huge waste of taxpayer money.

I could keep going , but I'll leave it at that for now.

12 posted on 04/04/2011 5:18:50 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: 7thson

To figure out what you should store, the Mormon food calculator is a good place to start.

http://lds.about.com/library/bl/faq/blcalculator.htm


13 posted on 04/04/2011 5:18:56 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: sueuprising

“I do not think there will be a food shortage but you never know how expensive it may be to purchase. “

Yes and no. When the dollar crashes and EVERYTHING triples in price, there will be TREMENDOUS PRESSURE to DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING to ‘relieve the pain’.

So what will that be? PRICE CONTROLS. And what happens the day after prices controls are announced - SHORTAGES. So there will be shortages, although they will be due to government policy, due to panic.


14 posted on 04/04/2011 5:20:47 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: 7thson

I have about 100 cases of canned goods several spare mechanical can openers stil in the boxes

meat, vegetables

bags of rice and beans

cooking oil, olive oil

Cases of soaps (hand, dish, shampoo)

Water purifcation methods - filters, large containers for boiling

large amount of toilet paper

medical supplies- bandages, band aids, alcohol, peroxide, asprin tyleni benadryl, etc etc

(all the above wrapped good and sealed from moisture and in plastic containers so no mice can get in.)

I have a generator and am going to store some gas in metal containers for running it and my chain saw. Oil, filters

GUNS - rifle and small guage shotgun for indoor close range support, plenty of ammo and gun cleaning supplies, and safe and dry storage


15 posted on 04/04/2011 5:21:48 PM PDT by Mr. K (Job #1 DEFUND THE LEFT then Palin/Bachman 2012 -Unbeatable Ticket~!)
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To: omega4179

why do i keep hearing ‘non-hybrid’

what does it mean and why is it good?


16 posted on 04/04/2011 5:22:53 PM PDT by Mr. K (Job #1 DEFUND THE LEFT then Palin/Bachman 2012 -Unbeatable Ticket~!)
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To: EGPWS

I’ve been live trapping squirrels all winter. The freezer is full.


17 posted on 04/04/2011 5:26:14 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Mr. K

Try the following keywords to get info about non-hybrids.

heirloom seeds


18 posted on 04/04/2011 5:26:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: sueuprising

At the worst you basically have what our past relatives used to call a “pantry”.

Pantries are extremely useful.


19 posted on 04/04/2011 5:27:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 7thson
will be a food shortage in the United States?

Naaah ... ;)

Cannibalism is a Dish Served Pipin’ Hot

20 posted on 04/04/2011 5:28:31 PM PDT by Errant
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To: FrogMom

I looked at that mormon calculator- that is slightly ridiculous.

750 pounds of flour for a family of 5? I dont think I have used that much in my life. there is about 10 pounds of food per day per person on that list.

In emegency you should be prepared for a pound per day per person and consider yourself LUCKY if you have that much.


21 posted on 04/04/2011 5:28:52 PM PDT by Mr. K (Job #1 DEFUND THE LEFT then Palin/Bachman 2012 -Unbeatable Ticket~!)
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To: 7thson
The Super Markets that I shop at, for the first time in my life, have had some shelves running empty (except for hurricane times). Far fewer choices... they were out of all bananas today... produce was in short supply and quality sucked... beef is double the price that it was in December. Certain brands have all but disappeared. Bottled water has fewer brands and only available in bulk quantities. They blame it on supply, fuel prices and corporate cutbacks of deliveries. I think that we are already in deep kimchi... that is what I think.

LLS

22 posted on 04/04/2011 5:29:19 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: 7thson

http://www.survivalblog.com


23 posted on 04/04/2011 5:31:05 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: sueuprising

One way there might be a food shortage is if riots interfere with food deliveries. If McDonalds and other processed favorites of ghetto areas got very expensive, they just might riot.


24 posted on 04/04/2011 5:31:29 PM PDT by TruthConquers (.Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Mr. K
why do i keep hearing ‘non-hybrid’ what does it mean and why is it good?

Hybrid seeds are kind of like mules. They can't breed true to the parent form. The people who buy heirloom (non-hybrid) seed either a) like the idea of saving their own seeds for next year, or b) assume that TEOTWAKI is coming and there won't be anymore seed makers left to make hybrid seeds.

I buy both heirloom and hybrid types. There is nothing different about growing heirloom types, except you grow them from seed you saved last year.

25 posted on 04/04/2011 5:33:13 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: 7thson

A general US food shortage that would include all foods would be very unlikely, but inflation—possibly steep—will be likely.


26 posted on 04/04/2011 5:35:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Jim 0216

The farmers don’t mind because that is one reason why prices remain at such an artificially high level.


27 posted on 04/04/2011 5:35:20 PM PDT by scorchedearther
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To: Mr. K

Ping


28 posted on 04/04/2011 5:43:43 PM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Mr. K
"750 pounds of flour for a family of 5? I dont think I have used that much in my life."

...about 30 25-pound bags. That would last as little as 9 months for a family of five having bread with breakfast and supper along with homemade pastries, pancakes, biscuits,... ...experience--about 83 pounds per month.


29 posted on 04/04/2011 5:46:05 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: LibLieSlayer

I read elsewhere that beef prices will begin to skyrocket, because the U.S. cattle herd is as small as it’s been since the early ‘70s. Corn is so expensive (read: ethanol) that farmers can’t afford to feed the cattle they have, so they’ve been culling their herds. Ergo, reduced supply will lead to huge price increases.


30 posted on 04/04/2011 5:48:05 PM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: 7thson

Have you noticed that all the newer grocery stores have no windows to speak of? Many have some easily defend-able vestibules. I first noticed the trend about 15 years ago. When I was a kid grocery stores were all windows which provided the most room for signage. Food riots were unimaginable then.


31 posted on 04/04/2011 5:48:25 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Mr. K

BTW, my experience is with high altitude baking—3 cups of flour per loaf. At lower altitude, you’d probably need about a half cup or so less.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 5:52:56 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: 7thson

Buy dry beans, peas, and grains; grow potatoes instead of shrubs.

Spam and canned hams will keep for decades too. Good for making soup.

Cream for your coffee could be a problem unless you have a cow. Powdered non-dairy creamers are not very healthy to use; they’re made from very deleterious veg oils.


33 posted on 04/04/2011 5:59:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Another sunny optimist, eh?

There are trees that produce tasty, nourishing bark.

And, I've heard that so long as there are people, there will be protein. ;-)

34 posted on 04/04/2011 6:02:47 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: 7thson

Here is my vote http://www.survivaltopics.com/


35 posted on 04/04/2011 6:09:51 PM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: 7thson

I’m already experiencing a shortage. For the last week, my grocery store has not stocked my carrot juice by Bolthouse Farms. I’m having withdrawal symptoms.


36 posted on 04/04/2011 6:11:53 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Mr. K

Many or most commercial seeds are hybrids so when they grow you have sterile plants that won’t give you seeds back.


37 posted on 04/04/2011 6:16:02 PM PDT by omega4179 (No war for Brotherhood.)
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To: 7thson

I like these threads. Marking for SURVIVALIST reference.


38 posted on 04/04/2011 6:18:08 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: 7thson
We have one major advantage over almost every other place on Earth: an awesome ground transportation infrastructure to move almost any goods around the USA--including perishable items like food. As such, we may have to eat less but all-out starvation is not likely.

Remember, most famines occur for political reasons such as war or deliberate interruption of the delivery of food. Look for example the infamous collectivization of the farms in the Ukraine that caused the famine that killed (by some estimates) 14 million Ukrainians; what happened was that Soviet authorities deliberately enforced grain production quotas that essentially exported all the wheat and other grains out of the Ukraine, and as such it triggered off the famine because no food was left for the Ukrainians.

39 posted on 04/04/2011 6:24:50 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Mr. K

hybrid seeds do not breed true if you plant them - they are a cross of two or three or more breeds

non-hybrid seeds produce exactly the same plant they came from

very important difference to know if your intent is to harvest the seeds from what you eat to grow some more the next season


40 posted on 04/04/2011 6:27:56 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 7thson

Costco has a lot that is is my pantry. Canned tuna, salmon, brown rice, quinoa, dried has brown potatoes, just look around. We always stay stocked up.


41 posted on 04/04/2011 6:30:08 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Wake up America we are at war with militant Islam and progressives - 2 fronts.)
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To: Mr. K

Well, the flour (or wheat) goes into bread, cake, cookies, gravy, on meat, tortillas, biscuits, sprouts, etc.

It’s also ideal for slipping a loaf of bread to someone you know hasn’t eaten that day.

I used the calculator for the basics and then added meat and some barter goods.

Guess I’ll just have to be ridiculous.


42 posted on 04/04/2011 6:30:57 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: 7thson
What is the general opinion that there will be a food shortage in the United States? Also, what do people recommend? What to purchase? How to store? How to prepare?

An actual food shortage in the US depends on where in the US you live. In the middle of large cities, store shelves can/will clear out quickly during a bad winter storm. A wide-spread and sustained food shortage in the US is very unlikely.

Insurance is always a good thing to have when you need it. Simple preparation and usable, learnable skills actually work. They make you less dependent on others.

Start with the very simple.

Start with having a three day supply of food you like to eat. Then expand that to a two week supply of food you like to eat.

Next, build up to a one month supply of food you actually like to eat. Then try for a three month supply. It will become easier and easier as you build up to longer periods of supplies. Always ensure you enjoy the foods you store. Use the older stock in your food storage first to rotate the stock.

From three months of food and storage supplies, building up to six months and one year should be straight-forward. One very nice by-product is savings. You end up saving costs that you can/should use for other necessities.

Learn to plant herbs in your window sill and then vegetables you really like to eat. Only use heirloom seeds to ensure you can replant those herbs and vegetables. Start very small and expand little by little. Growing herbs and vegetables in containers (buckets) is a great way to go because it saves water costs, ensures consistency of crops and pretty much eliminates weeds and insect pests. It also ends up saving a huge amount of money.

Try your hand at pressure cooking and canning food in jars for storing away from direct sunlight. Learn as much as you can about the canning rules to follow. Then stick to those canning rules along with tried and tested recipes.

Also try baking. IMO, nothing smells and tastes as good as freshly baked bread you made and baked yourself. (Flour, water, some sugar, a little bit of salt and some yeast = bread). You may even enjoy using freshly ground flour. Wheat berries can be properly stored for many years and will not lose flavor or any nutrition. Enjoy fresh baked bread with jelly or jam you've also made.

You may even enjoy a cup of herb tea like Peppermint ((Mentha × piperita) or freshly ground up root chicory (Cichorium intybus var. sativum) can also be enjoyed as a coffee substitute with the bread and jam you made.

Preparing and eating food that you've grown, prepared and stored yourself is not just healthy, its a wonderful set of learnable useful skills that makes you dependent on no one. All of these skills are learned step-by-step. The best time to start for someone new, is now.

43 posted on 04/04/2011 6:36:58 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: 7thson

I cant think of anyplace in the world where there is a food shortage among people who have the money to pay for it. As long as there is a market for food, food producers will serve it.

I think a bigger question is whether we will be able to afford food.


44 posted on 04/04/2011 6:42:04 PM PDT by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: editor-surveyor

Evaporated milk works for coffee. Also, King Arthur Flour Company sells a dried whole milk powder. It keeps quite well in the freezer for a long time, reconstitutes with hot water and a whisk and then keeps in the fridge as well as fresh cream.

A shorter shelf-life product (12-18 months) can be found in the Hispanic section: it is a small (7.6 oz) can of cream from Nestle called *media crema*/Table Cream. It is so thick, that water can be added, so it really makes a larger amount.

For non-vacuum-packed or unfrozen dried beans, you need a grain mill in case they get too old to cook. Then, all you can do is grind them to add to flour or to use as an *instant* soup powder or a thickener.

The potatoes can be sliced thin w/a mandoline and dehydrated, then vacuum-packed. Cook like any packaged potato product, adding liquid and baking or boiling until the potatoes soften.


45 posted on 04/04/2011 6:54:25 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: freespirited

Food prices are going up weekly.


46 posted on 04/04/2011 6:54:52 PM PDT by zeaal
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To: 7thson
Here's a thread from the other day. The Ready Store is offering a 10% discount to FReepers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2696349/posts

47 posted on 04/04/2011 6:57:17 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: zeaal

The victims are volunteers. They can invest in these commodities.


48 posted on 04/04/2011 6:57:38 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: 7thson

I think my parents generation was the last one where a significant number of the population was capable of living on a totally or near totally subsistence farm. Now my Mother, her 12 brothers and sisters and their parents all worked very hard but in a way they had it good.

Their farm was over 1000 acres and they had everything they needed and more. Grandpa Mac would buy a new model T pickup every years.

Not too long after my parents were married, dadddy was drafted into WWII They had four kids and daddy sent his pay to Mother along with her allotment. He could sell his cigarette allotment for more money than he needed.

After he got home in 1946 Mother had saved over $3000 which was enough to buy a forty acre farm and home. Now making a living with 5 kids (I was born by then) on 40 acres is a lot tougher than doing so on a thousand.

Daddy grew beautiful crops, we had a smokehouse full of delicious meat. Mother made our soap. but everything was not fine. Florida did not have a stock law back then and neighbors hogs would teard down a fence and eat most of his crop in one night.

I didn’t realize how poor our finances were until one Christmas we each got a dime for christmas. Mother always said we would have done fine on only forty acres if not for the hogs destroying everything. Daddy went to work at Tyndall field and we moved off the farm to Panama City.

I will say one thing. We never went hungry even at the worst times. Mother was great about making something out of nothing. We all misses the farm.

Later Daddy worked at Eglin and we bought another 40 acres.
Both my parents being farmers at heart, they always grew large gardens which actually were more than enough for our food with the addition of a few items from the supermarket and hardware store. At times they thought about getting a few cows and hogs especially since the 40 acres was double fenced but for some reason they never did.

They did indeed know how to live off the land. I do not because we left the farm before I really learned the more difficult things.


49 posted on 04/04/2011 7:03:07 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 7thson

Look on some of the prepper threads for good advice.

If you’re in a major city I recommend stocking up on some fava beans and a nice chianti... it’s going to get nasty.


50 posted on 04/04/2011 7:06:25 PM PDT by mrsmith
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