Skip to comments.Can Firefox Be Saved? Two Proposals
Posted on 04/05/2011 5:06:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce
After spending months on end watching Mozilla Firefox 4 go through eleven-and-some-odd betas, Im less than impressed with what Ive waited for all this time. The first time I launched a fresh install of Firefox 4 and navigated to the homepage of the New York Times, it hung for almost a minute on end and then every ad block on the page burped with a Flash plugin has crashed message.
This is progress?
I know Im not alone in this, either many folks I know who had been suffering through successive Firefox betas were disillusioned with the quality of the release product. Theyre either rolling back to Firefox 3.6 or ditching it entirely.
Me, Id ditched Firefox for Chrome back around revision 3.4 or so. Maybe earlier.
Like too many other software projects before it, Firefox is starting to suffer from the very things it was originally developed to avoid. Its falling victim to the exact stagnation that plagued Netscape before it. The competition not just Chrome, but even lowly old Internet Explorer, now in its ninth version is outpacing it in greater strides.
In short, theres now less reason than ever to be a Firefox user.
Thats a shame, because Firefox isnt a bad piece of software. Its just increasingly suffering from third-wheel syndrome, which it hasnt found an effective way to lick yet.
Google Chrome, by contrast, has come from behind to eclipse Firefox in a whole slew of ways. On the same hardware, it launches and browsers more quickly and with less inexplicable lag than Firefox. Flash doesnt hiccup or stall, and hasnt bombed on me at all for a few versions running now.
Google Chromes add-on architecture is a lot easier to work with and requires a prospective software author to jump through far less hoops. Its page debugging and inspection tools are remarkable; I rely on them constantly. And while running each tab in its own process is more memory-hungry than Firefox, at least I know that memorys being put to good use: if one tab stalls, the rest dont.
But wait: Im not just here to bury Firefox and praise Chrome. If anything, Id like to see Firefox rise all the more to the challenge and give Chrome a run for its money. I just dont see that happening with Firefoxs current development cycle.
Mozilla is talking about ramping up their releases to match Chromes, but Im not sure thats enough. What might be needed are solutions that are either far more precise than what Mozilla is dreaming up, or way more radical than they will aim for.
When Firefox came along, it was a welcome relief from the tired and stagnant Netscape. Here was a browser that threw out everything that didnt need to be there, gave the user a snappy browsing experience, and offered a far more appealing alternative to Internet Explorer.
The whole reason all this was possible was because Firefox was a radical break from the past an experimental branch of Mozilla that overtook the parent. Firefox left behind more baggage than it kept, and the end result was a massive success story.
Maybe its time to do that again. Lets have a spinoff of Firefox that is to that browser what Firefox itself was to Netscape. Not just another iteration in Firefoxs development, but a clean slate a way to get back to the basics that the original iterations of Firefox prided itself on and were valued for in the first place.
This is something that might only be possible by a third party, though. Only a third party might have the distance required to take Firefox, strip out everything that no longer needs to be there, and start over again with as little of Mozillas existing baggage as possible. The hard part isnt getting the code (Firefox is open source, after all). The hard part would be assembling a development team willing to commit to a project of that scope.
Much as I like to believe in the romance of open source, a project like this isnt something you can do on nights and weekends not in a competitive fashion, that is. That might well prove to be a bigger obstacle than writing the code: finding and supporting people who can do it and get it out the door in a timely way.
Maybe kicking off a whole new branch of Firefox is too radical a suggestion for most people. Barring that, I took a look at the Firefox roadmap for 2011 to see what Mozilla itself has in mind.
There are a lot of goals here, and its not clear which goals are being targeted for what versions or if theyre all being attacked simultaneously. Whats more, theres a lot of things discussed here that still dont have any major relevance to users. Example: Expand the Open Web Platform to include Apps, Social and Identity. This could easily mean anything. And at any rate, it doesnt add up to much right now given that most people are just surrendering and using Facebook to sign into everything.
(Its a nice goal for Mozilla to promote more open-ended identity frameworks, but to my mind its pointless, given that the very browser being used to do the signing in keeps grinding to a crawl.)
My suggestion is this: Pick one major goal per iteration of Firefox, and commit everyone across the board to making that goal real.
The first goal I recommend is an expanded version of item #2 on the Firefox list: Declare an all-out war on lag.
Find every possible reason why the browser lags, slows down, or stalls entirely and get rid of it. Since the reasons for such a thing may be rampant throughout the product, that means you have all the more reason to make such an effort an all-fronts war and not just an ongoing priority.
Get that investigated, get it done, and release a version of the product where that is the major reason for an upgrade. If the answers lie in a bad user configuration, then at the very least let the user know thats the culprit. Dont give him an excuse to leave.
The same one-major-problem-at-a-time approach should also be applied to problems with Flash, and to the other show-stopping, browser-wide issues that everyone complains about.
These things are scaring people off, and they need to be attacked as fiercely as they can.
Its not hard to read Mozillas stated goal of releasing new iterations of the browser more often, and with more revisions to the left of the decimal point, as a way to play catch-up with Chrome.
The thing is, releases and revisions are entirely arbitrary: it doesnt matter what they call the next iteration of Firefox. What matters more is how each revision represents real advances for the state of the program that end users can bank on.
Without that, no product is worth building on as a base of productivity. A stagnant program is just as unusable as one revised without clear goals.
What I really dont want to see is Firefox become to browsers what Ubuntu has become to Linux distributions. I dont want them shipping a product every six months whether we like it or not, one where there are at least as many regressions as there are advances.
And, most of all, I dont want to turn my back on a browser that did a lot to make the Web what it is now. But softwares about what works, not where your hearts at and right now, for me, Chrome is what works. Firefox remains under wraps.
I loaded up Firefox 4 a couple of days ago. A much superior product. Seems to handle the various flash conflicts better than the 3.xx version.
Definitely faster to load. I’m impressed.
I have yet to investigate it. I keep hearing conflicting reports.
This guy sounds exactly like someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
LOL! As I mentioned above, I haven’t tried it yet. What’s he got wrong?
I am not happy at all with 4. The performance is far worse than previous and it is buggy. Caret browsing, for example, keeps toggling keeping me from being able to use pg up and pg down when browsing (among other things). I have caught myself going back to IE.
I'm guessing that being a "Tech Writer" his machine is junked up with early release software he's played with, and that's creating problems.
Considering AdBlock Plus and Flash Block, there's really no reason to use any other browser.
I've heard this, but I've also heard the performance is better.
What platform/configuration are you using?
That's been my experience as well with Firefox since the days of Firebird.
Thanks for your input.
Windows 7, I don’t have any special add-ons running in the background other than the usual Flash. Something else I just noticed. It doesn’t seem to like Adobe Acrobat Pro. In other browsers, if you click a .pdf link, it will open in Acrobat Pro. With version 4, it doesn’t recognize Pro as a replacement for Adobe Reader and just gives an error message.
I loaded it a month ago and have not had even one problem.
I went to 4 last week from 3.6 and have been quite happy with it. The old version had become buggy and was crashing. I haven’t had any problems at all with 4. I like Firefox for the addons that keep out the junk. Haven’t tried Chrome.
I was very dubious, as I’m running a ten-year old installation of XP with limited hard drive space (there’s never enough).
Performance has definitely improved. I’ll probably put it on my laptop this week.
Since I don't run Win7, I may go ahead and try it out.
I finally gave up on Adobe; too bloated and too many problems. I’m using PDF-XChange Viewer and am very happy with it.
I have more for you in a moment. But I am on 4 and it is slick IMHO.
I will do anything to stay away from anything Google given their relationship with "The One". No Crome, no-GMail, but I still looking for a better search engine, maybe Screwgle (spelled correct?) just to piss Google off.
* BetterPrivacy ( a must, "LSO's" are bad)
* Cooliris ( ah so so...)
* FasterFox Lite ( makes it faster)
* Ghostery (a must, stop them tracking for marketing purposes)
* NoScript (again like Ghostery, a must )
* PDF dowload (neat)
* Startup.Service 0.2 ( opens Firefox Faster)
* Vacuum Places ( cleans up sqlite files, increase speed )
* Tweak Network (maybe redundant w/ FasterFox, but try it...)
* Morning Coffee ( for your regular surfs, I have it off @ the moment, it's ok...)
Agree about NoScript and Ghostery as a must. I’ll have to try some of the others you mention. Thanks.
Me, too--what you said. FF4 has been fast and stable for me. I haven't even explored a lot of the new features, like bookmark synchronization across the cloud, which is now built in rather than an add on.
* Bookmark Duplicate Detector... Why suck up the disk space it is neat.
All I want is a browser that allows me click one button to immediately stop flash just for that browser window alone, and not affect the rest of my browsing. I’m sure the code to do this exists.
I keep opening things in new windows when I meant to open them in a tab.
I loaded FF4.0 also but had to uninstall and go back to 3.6.X because my Norton 360 Identity Safe and Web Safe would not work with FF4.0. Norton claims they are working on a fix to integrate with new FF but right not I’m stuck with 3.6
Have yet to have a problem with Firefox 4, which I am using now.
That’s an acrobat issue. Re-install acrobat and you’ll be fine.
Ace, Thanx, I think I saw it eons ago while reseaching the subject. Tried it, like it, it now the homepage. Wow....
That's just a more matter of habit than a design issue.
>I will do anything to stay away from anything Google given their relationship with “The One”. No Crome, no-GMail, but I still looking for a better search engine, maybe Screwgle (spelled correct?) just to piss Google off.<
I have the same reasons too. Google’s CEO Schmidt works closely with obama, plus I have never heard of an “email” that asks you for your PHONE NUMBER as confirmation to use the e-mail. Craigslist, Paypal, Ebay..sure, they are financial but an FN e-mail?? Yeah, I use Scroogle from time to time and Bing does it better sometimes with searches.
My experience with Firefox 4 has been OK; although I continually get a message to update to 4; and firefox update failed click here to upgrade to 4. Also when I close out my last window for the day; firefox crashes. Also some of my addons before the upgrade to 4; disappeared and will not download.
Check out post 25, I just made it my HP... Slick....
I don’t trust Google enough to install their junk on my computers.
I will not under any circumstances embrace Google in any of its manifestations.
I still haven't given up on it but I think right now I'd recommend not changing yet.
I’ve developed liking the tabs more than opening windows as time went by. Seen people have 15 tabs in 1 window more than a couple of times LOL.
I also enjoy being able to use three add-ons in particular: NoScript prevents unauthorized code from running on any page you visit without your express approval. It will quickly make you aware of how much crap goes on behind the scenes - and how much of that is unneeded/undesired. I also like IE Tab Plus, which allows you to toggle the rendering engine for any page between Firefox and Internet Explorer. Finally, there is Xinha Here! - a nice, neat little WYSIWYG html editor - very useful for formatting complex posts on FR, for example.
My older laptop is a Dell 1000 with 512,000 limited memory. Just loaded NYT using Firefox 4. No problems at all. I have no idea what the author’s problem is.
(I've had NO problems with FF4)
No problems with FF4 (on Linux Mint 10) yet. I do wish the very handy zoom function came with a ‘reset to normal size’ button, though. ‘Control zero’ does the job, but a button would be better.
I had a lot of trouble with FF3.6 crashing and eventually went back to FF3.1. It turned out the real problem was a bad RAM address that 3.6 accessed but 3.1 didn’t, as I discovered when I upgraded my RAM. People having problems with frequent crashes of any FF edition might want to think about new RAM.
"New features" are just gimmicks. The new architecture to isolate the pestilence that is Flash is unsuccessful and unstable particularly on Macs.
Firefox's best days are behind it. Fortunately there are alternatives.
Hard drives are cheap.
If it's so terrible why is beating the pants off of IE. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp I use FF4 and have had no problems with it.
I keep opening things in new windows when I meant to open them in a tab.
You too huh?
It's taken me more than a week to get used to it, and I still hit the wrong one occasionally. Why the heck would someone change something like that?
I'll have over 50 tabs open from time to time. I have some sites that I use at work that are extremely tab-friendly, and let me do a lot of stuff quickly.
I refuse to use Chrome. You might as well use a browser put out by Organizing for America. You can be sure every single thing you do on Chrome is recorded and sent to the NSA and Obama Campaign.
I don't know how it compares to Chrome???, because until now I didn't know there was browser named Chrome.
For how I use it, Firefox is fine, if it doesn't work for any one else, switch to what ever does, after all, it's not cost that will hold you back.