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Can Firefox Be Saved? Two Proposals
Datamation ^ | 4 April 2011 | Serdar Yegulalp

Posted on 04/05/2011 5:06:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 04/05/2011 5:06:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 04/05/2011 5:07:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I loaded up Firefox 4 a couple of days ago. A much superior product. Seems to handle the various flash conflicts better than the 3.xx version.

Definitely faster to load. I’m impressed.


4 posted on 04/05/2011 5:12:11 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

I have yet to investigate it. I keep hearing conflicting reports.


5 posted on 04/05/2011 5:17:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

This guy sounds exactly like someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.


6 posted on 04/05/2011 5:20:50 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

LOL! As I mentioned above, I haven’t tried it yet. What’s he got wrong?


7 posted on 04/05/2011 5:22:44 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I am not happy at all with 4. The performance is far worse than previous and it is buggy. Caret browsing, for example, keeps toggling keeping me from being able to use pg up and pg down when browsing (among other things). I have caught myself going back to IE.


8 posted on 04/05/2011 5:27:38 AM PDT by mnehring
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I have no idea....I'm been slapping 4 on machine after machine and have yet to have a problem with anything other than 3rd party Add Ons that haven't been updated, yet.

I'm guessing that being a "Tech Writer" his machine is junked up with early release software he's played with, and that's creating problems.

Considering AdBlock Plus and Flash Block, there's really no reason to use any other browser.

9 posted on 04/05/2011 5:31:15 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: mnehring
The performance is far worse than previous and it is buggy.

I've heard this, but I've also heard the performance is better.

What platform/configuration are you using?

10 posted on 04/05/2011 5:31:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Considering AdBlock Plus and Flash Block, there's really no reason to use any other browser.

That's been my experience as well with Firefox since the days of Firebird.

Thanks for your input.

11 posted on 04/05/2011 5:33:29 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Windows 7, I don’t have any special add-ons running in the background other than the usual Flash. Something else I just noticed. It doesn’t seem to like Adobe Acrobat Pro. In other browsers, if you click a .pdf link, it will open in Acrobat Pro. With version 4, it doesn’t recognize Pro as a replacement for Adobe Reader and just gives an error message.


12 posted on 04/05/2011 5:35:46 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ShadowAce

I loaded it a month ago and have not had even one problem.


13 posted on 04/05/2011 5:39:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ShadowAce

I went to 4 last week from 3.6 and have been quite happy with it. The old version had become buggy and was crashing. I haven’t had any problems at all with 4. I like Firefox for the addons that keep out the junk. Haven’t tried Chrome.


14 posted on 04/05/2011 5:40:11 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: ShadowAce

I was very dubious, as I’m running a ten-year old installation of XP with limited hard drive space (there’s never enough).

Performance has definitely improved. I’ll probably put it on my laptop this week.


15 posted on 04/05/2011 5:43:00 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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Thanks guys. A couple more positive reviews for 4.

Since I don't run Win7, I may go ahead and try it out.

16 posted on 04/05/2011 5:43:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: mnehring

I finally gave up on Adobe; too bloated and too many problems. I’m using PDF-XChange Viewer and am very happy with it.


17 posted on 04/05/2011 5:44:14 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Considering AdBlock Plus and Flash Block, there's really no reason to use any other browser.

I have more for you in a moment. But I am on 4 and it is slick IMHO.

I will do anything to stay away from anything Google given their relationship with "The One". No Crome, no-GMail, but I still looking for a better search engine, maybe Screwgle (spelled correct?) just to piss Google off.

Other Add-Ons....

* BetterPrivacy ( a must, "LSO's" are bad)
* Cooliris ( ah so so...)
* FasterFox Lite ( makes it faster)
* Ghostery (a must, stop them tracking for marketing purposes)
* NoScript (again like Ghostery, a must )
* PDF dowload (neat)
* Startup.Service 0.2 ( opens Firefox Faster)
* Vacuum Places ( cleans up sqlite files, increase speed )
* Tweak Network (maybe redundant w/ FasterFox, but try it...)
* Morning Coffee ( for your regular surfs, I have it off @ the moment, it's ok...)

18 posted on 04/05/2011 5:46:32 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: mnehring
I am not happy at all with 4. The performance is far worse than previous
I disagree 100%. I started using FF4 Beta 6 right through FF4 RC and I saw an incredible increase in performance.
In fact, installing the beta versions never overwrote the old version (3.6?), and comparing the two was easy.
The only "bug" I found in the beta versions was a loss of some bookmarks which were easily retrieved and reloaded.
19 posted on 04/05/2011 5:47:51 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: taildragger

Agree about NoScript and Ghostery as a must. I’ll have to try some of the others you mention. Thanks.


20 posted on 04/05/2011 5:50:17 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: oh8eleven
I disagree 100%. I started using FF4 Beta 6 right through FF4 RC and I saw an incredible increase in performance. In fact, installing the beta versions never overwrote the old version (3.6?), and comparing the two was easy.

Me, too--what you said. FF4 has been fast and stable for me. I haven't even explored a lot of the new features, like bookmark synchronization across the cloud, which is now built in rather than an add on.

21 posted on 04/05/2011 5:52:02 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Second Amendment First
You are welcomed, one more...

* Bookmark Duplicate Detector... Why suck up the disk space it is neat.

22 posted on 04/05/2011 5:52:10 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: ShadowAce

All I want is a browser that allows me click one button to immediately stop flash just for that browser window alone, and not affect the rest of my browsing. I’m sure the code to do this exists.


23 posted on 04/05/2011 5:54:16 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Psycho_Bunny
This guy sounds exactly like someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I can't take serious anything that's written by someone named Serdar Yegulalp. It's just me.
24 posted on 04/05/2011 5:55:41 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: taildragger
Check out ixquick for a search engine.
25 posted on 04/05/2011 5:58:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Using FF4 and the only complaint I have is they revered the "open in New Window" and "Open in New Tab position in the drop down box.

I keep opening things in new windows when I meant to open them in a tab.

26 posted on 04/05/2011 6:00:24 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: abb

I loaded FF4.0 also but had to uninstall and go back to 3.6.X because my Norton 360 Identity Safe and Web Safe would not work with FF4.0. Norton claims they are working on a fix to integrate with new FF but right not I’m stuck with 3.6


27 posted on 04/05/2011 6:02:28 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: ShadowAce

Have yet to have a problem with Firefox 4, which I am using now.


28 posted on 04/05/2011 6:05:40 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: mnehring

That’s an acrobat issue. Re-install acrobat and you’ll be fine.


29 posted on 04/05/2011 6:06:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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Ace, Thanx, I think I saw it eons ago while reseaching the subject. Tried it, like it, it now the homepage. Wow....


30 posted on 04/05/2011 6:07:04 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: CharacterCounts
I trip over that one as well. However, it makes sense. Less mouse movement to open a new tab. I use the tab more than new window.

That's just a more matter of habit than a design issue.

31 posted on 04/05/2011 6:08:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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>I will do anything to stay away from anything Google given their relationship with “The One”. No Crome, no-GMail, but I still looking for a better search engine, maybe Screwgle (spelled correct?) just to piss Google off.<

I have the same reasons too. Google’s CEO Schmidt works closely with obama, plus I have never heard of an “email” that asks you for your PHONE NUMBER as confirmation to use the e-mail. Craigslist, Paypal, Ebay..sure, they are financial but an FN e-mail?? Yeah, I use Scroogle from time to time and Bing does it better sometimes with searches.


32 posted on 04/05/2011 6:12:10 AM PDT by max americana ( NF)
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My experience with Firefox 4 has been OK; although I continually get a message to update to 4; and firefox update failed click here to upgrade to 4. Also when I close out my last window for the day; firefox crashes. Also some of my addons before the upgrade to 4; disappeared and will not download.


33 posted on 04/05/2011 6:12:56 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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Check out post 25, I just made it my HP... Slick....


34 posted on 04/05/2011 6:20:34 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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I don’t trust Google enough to install their junk on my computers.


35 posted on 04/05/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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I will not under any circumstances embrace Google in any of its manifestations.


36 posted on 04/05/2011 6:28:28 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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I've had to quite FF4 & restart many more times than I did with FF3. It does seem to absorb memory pretty quickly.

I still haven't given up on it but I think right now I'd recommend not changing yet.

37 posted on 04/05/2011 6:31:36 AM PDT by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I’ve developed liking the tabs more than opening windows as time went by. Seen people have 15 tabs in 1 window more than a couple of times LOL.


38 posted on 04/05/2011 6:32:47 AM PDT by max americana ( NF)
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I'm currently running FF4 on three machines - two with Windows 7 and one on XP. I have found it considerably faster than FF 3.6.13 or whatever the last iteration was. In particular, page loads and transitions are noticeably quicker.

I also enjoy being able to use three add-ons in particular: NoScript prevents unauthorized code from running on any page you visit without your express approval. It will quickly make you aware of how much crap goes on behind the scenes - and how much of that is unneeded/undesired. I also like IE Tab Plus, which allows you to toggle the rendering engine for any page between Firefox and Internet Explorer. Finally, there is Xinha Here! - a nice, neat little WYSIWYG html editor - very useful for formatting complex posts on FR, for example.

39 posted on 04/05/2011 6:33:52 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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My older laptop is a Dell 1000 with 512,000 limited memory. Just loaded NYT using Firefox 4. No problems at all. I have no idea what the author’s problem is.


40 posted on 04/05/2011 6:34:21 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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> I can't take serious anything that's written by someone named Serdar Yegulalp. It's just me.

LOL!

Serdar Yegulalp

(I've had NO problems with FF4)

41 posted on 04/05/2011 6:42:13 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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No problems with FF4 (on Linux Mint 10) yet. I do wish the very handy zoom function came with a ‘reset to normal size’ button, though. ‘Control zero’ does the job, but a button would be better.

I had a lot of trouble with FF3.6 crashing and eventually went back to FF3.1. It turned out the real problem was a bad RAM address that 3.6 accessed but 3.1 didn’t, as I discovered when I upgraded my RAM. People having problems with frequent crashes of any FF edition might want to think about new RAM.


42 posted on 04/05/2011 6:45:37 AM PDT by Grut
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The qualify of this release is not high despite the long "beta" period.

"New features" are just gimmicks. The new architecture to isolate the pestilence that is Flash is unsuccessful and unstable particularly on Macs.

Firefox's best days are behind it. Fortunately there are alternatives.

43 posted on 04/05/2011 6:52:01 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama will be president until Fri, Jan 20, 2017.)
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bump


44 posted on 04/05/2011 6:52:32 AM PDT by PogySailor (The ruling class will not go down easily. And neither will their paid hacks.)
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To: abb

Hard drives are cheap.


45 posted on 04/05/2011 6:56:14 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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If it's so terrible why is beating the pants off of IE.


http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

I use FF4 and have had no problems with it.


46 posted on 04/05/2011 7:07:27 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: CharacterCounts
Using FF4 and the only complaint I have is they revered the "open in New Window" and "Open in New Tab position in the drop down box.

I keep opening things in new windows when I meant to open them in a tab.

You too huh?

It's taken me more than a week to get used to it, and I still hit the wrong one occasionally. Why the heck would someone change something like that?

47 posted on 04/05/2011 7:07:55 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: max americana
I’ve developed liking the tabs more than opening windows as time went by. Seen people have 15 tabs in 1 window more than a couple of times LOL.

I'll have over 50 tabs open from time to time. I have some sites that I use at work that are extremely tab-friendly, and let me do a lot of stuff quickly.

48 posted on 04/05/2011 7:12:24 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: ShadowAce

I refuse to use Chrome. You might as well use a browser put out by Organizing for America. You can be sure every single thing you do on Chrome is recorded and sent to the NSA and Obama Campaign.


49 posted on 04/05/2011 7:23:39 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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I'm not a technical user but I started using Firefox 4.0 a couple of weeks ago and it has been 5-10 times faster than 3.xx.xx.

I don't know how it compares to Chrome???, because until now I didn't know there was browser named Chrome.

For how I use it, Firefox is fine, if it doesn't work for any one else, switch to what ever does, after all, it's not cost that will hold you back.

50 posted on 04/05/2011 7:26:16 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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