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"The Donald"... A Potential Soros Stalking Horse?
FreeRepublic ^ | Tuesday, April 12, 2011 | Gargantua

Posted on 04/11/2011 9:51:50 PM PDT by Gargantua

The surprise generated by the throwing of Donald Trump's hat into the ring of 2012 presidential hopefuls is in part based upon his relative wealth, and professional and social status. He certainly needs no political clout to better command any situation he chooses, so that can't be his motivation.

In part it is based upon his own unchallenged political history, having donated to both Republicans and Democrats over the years. While his donations number fairly evenly between the two, he has been more generous with Democrats, who also seem better to mirror his personal lifestyle.

The heads that are scratched the most vigorously are those owned by the cognescenti aware of his past, and recent, associations wirth George Soros... a man many believe to be a major string-puller behind much of the Obama puppet Administration.

All of these facets are worthy of discussion and even disagreement. There are plenty of openly available resources for arguing both sides of any of the rationale raised above here. With one glaring exception:

If there is even the slightest scintilla of a chance that Trump could prove to be aught but another bit player in the myriad machiavellian orchestrations perpetrated by George Soros over the years, with the sole goal of manipulating the surrender of a soveriegn United States to his dream of a coming "New World Order," is there any reason at all to even consider voting for him?

The liklihood of The Donald agreeing to playing pawn in a Soros end-game could well go up exponentially if the lucre and position offered by Soros in return were significant enough, as Donald has never made any bones about his avarice or greed. Further, there is little Soros would likely be unwilling to sacrifice to see the U.S., the final and most difficult stumbling-block in his path to a One World solution, swept off of the playing board in a single coup-de-gras.

Again, despite that the evidence is almost all circumstantial and anecdotal, the only way taking such a risk on such a unknown quantity with such obvious opportunity for ulterior motives would be if there were no other possible candidate out there who would do a better job. No other contender on the horizon with a proven history of accomplishing remarkable successes in short timeframes against significant odds.

The fact is America has another such opportunity, with far more dependable conservaTIVE credentials, who has never donated one penny to a Liberal cause, or spent one evening rubbing shoulders with "Spooky Dude" Soros.

Given all the above, supporting Trump would be a fools errand, even if it didn't result in checkmate. Which it clearly could.

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I just don't see the vig in buying what this self-admitted snake-oil pusher is selling. If his heart is pure in this one instance, it would almost be a first.

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1 posted on 04/11/2011 9:51:57 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua

He gave a substantial donation to Rahm’s Chicago campaign. I would have lived with the BC issue, but the “I am a Christian” declaration gave me the “Scott Brown, is this guy for real” sentiment. Meaning he is saying the things I want to hear yet in the end, he’ll throw us all under the bus like what Scott Brown did.

Heh. In the end, he’s peaking right now. People forget it’s a marathon and that’s why Palin and Romney are quiet. Why stick your head out right now when the MSM is ready to assassinate you?

Months for now, we might have Herman Cain as primary winner so who knows.


2 posted on 04/11/2011 10:00:59 PM PDT by max americana ( NF)
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To: Gargantua

If he goes third party to split the conservative vote, we’ll have our answers

I recall a recently re-printed Forbes article stating The Donald is not nearly as rich as he wants us to believe. He can be bought.


3 posted on 04/11/2011 10:01:07 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Gargantua

I don’t doubt it one bit. He’s a spoiler.


4 posted on 04/11/2011 10:03:33 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Gargantua

I like this.
Maybe Trump can drum up a few front pages whilst Glenn Beck looks for a new gig. Trump may never come close to president but he has oodles more money and can wreak havoc on Soros, Media Matters, or start his own 60 person anti-Soros/Oburkha agenda. I wish we could STOP totus in his blasted tracks.

But he keeps doing more and more stupid a###d thing on a near daily basis. There has never been a president I’ve felt has done not ONE thing right, not one.
Sadly with intense anger I must agree Oburkha is thee person any real American should despise because he’s done nothing nut tear apart this country. Maybe Trump can finance a little bit and find a few flaws in the nobel peace prize winners purged past.


5 posted on 04/11/2011 10:05:10 PM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: max americana
I'm pretty sure the nomination is Palin's to give away. If she doesn't run, there are a few with a real shot at it, given the awakened state of awareness of the Sleeping Giant/Tea Party/Middle America.

If she decides to run, it's game over. All over but fumigating and re-decorating the Oval Office.

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6 posted on 04/11/2011 10:07:49 PM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Karliner

And I’m sure you’ll love it when he uses the birth-certificate thing to run third party and become Perot II.
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7 posted on 04/11/2011 10:09:35 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: sinanju
Yeah, he's one leveraged building leaning on another re-structured corporation with a few well-publicized bankruptcies for a foundation. I wouldn't doubt that Soros it the actual wallet behind his front corporations.

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8 posted on 04/11/2011 10:10:12 PM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua

It only takes someone to put it to Trump if he has any association/dealings with Soros. You should contact Trump as I will be doing pronto.


9 posted on 04/11/2011 10:21:49 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Gargantua

It only takes someone to put it to Trump if he has any association/dealings with Soros. You should contact Trump as I will be doing pronto.


10 posted on 04/11/2011 10:22:01 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Gargantua

I find it hard to believe that Trump will take a dive for Soros so Obama can win re-election.

His ego is too big for that.


11 posted on 04/11/2011 10:30:25 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: noinfringers2
You guys are way over thinking this. Trump gives to democrats so he can get his permits. That's just the way the game is played. Just like many corporations give to both parties. Trump gives more to Dems because they've infested the nations cities. He is, however a patriot. He's smart enough to know that the Dems are going to destroy the country and it's time to quit playin around. Use your judgment and stop the Soros/plant conspiracy crap.

Obama is a fraud and you guys want to look a gift horse in the mouth. Wake up.

12 posted on 04/11/2011 10:42:31 PM PDT by precisionshootist (Donald Trump Is a Patriot first and a businessman second.)
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To: precisionshootist

Exactly. You give money in Chicago to grease wheels as a business expense. Nothing ideological about it. Sometimes you write checks to both sides. Hedge your bets.

Trump is serving a purpose — he’s taking the heat. He’s setting the issues out that Americans care about. He’s the only one with the balls to go after the birth certificate/NBC issue while others wilt. (Why do they care what the MSM says about them? Jon Leibo- Stewart going to make fun of them? So what?)

If Trump comes up with evidence that forces Obama out of office in Watergate-esque shame, he’ll forever be a personal hero to every Republican.

The Republican field is weak. Best and brightest (Rubio, Ryan) are eight years off from being contenders. Romney doesn’t offer much contrast to ObamaCare. Huckabee is a Republican Jimmy Carter — nice guy but he’d get run over on the world stage.

The ladies? America is still a sexist country. Hillary couldn’t beat a guy with 180 days experience as a U.S. Senator. MSM bash women as “weak” “stupid” etc. and leftist women say nothing. A 60 year old+ battle ax Thatcher-type would have a shot. Don’t see one of those running.

Trump may be it. If he ran and said, “Give me 4 years to clean up the mess and I’m done. I can’t afford to be president longer than that.” I think he’d have a good shot.

Ex-wives, nasty divorces, the people hurt when the Taj filed bankruptcy. Yes, there’s baggage.

Americans know the economy is screwed and $14 trillion in debt (4 trillion on Obama’s watch) means we need drastic steps. Trump can also isolate himself from “return to Bush era” by attacking Bush.

Do we want someone ideologically sound or someone that can beat Obama?


13 posted on 04/11/2011 10:55:20 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: precisionshootist

What makes you think I’m into a Soros conspiricy crap thing as to Trump? If a question is raised go get an answer just like Trump is doing for questions about Obama. Now there is a conspiricy I can buy into. I do admit to having very short acceptance of truth from the lips of politicians.


14 posted on 04/11/2011 11:02:48 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: precisionshootist

What makes you think I’m into a Soros conspiricy crap thing as to Trump? If a question is raised go get an answer just like Trump is doing for questions about Obama. Now there is a conspiricy I can buy into. I do admit to having very short acceptance of truth from the lips of politicians.


15 posted on 04/11/2011 11:03:06 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Gargantua

“Again, despite that the evidence is almost all circumstantial and anecdotal, the only way taking such a risk on such a unknown quantity with such obvious opportunity for ulterior motives would be if there were no other possible candidate out there who would do a better job.”

What a total smear job. I don’t like this. It stinks to high heaven. Death by innuendo. Fie on this kind of dirty trick.


16 posted on 04/11/2011 11:45:30 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Gargantua

and why do the libs think its all a publicity stunt? and who are they to judge whether he is serious? The Left FEARS DONALD TRUMP! because they know Obama is toast if he wins the nominaton!


17 posted on 04/12/2011 12:09:37 AM PDT by Liberals_R_BiPolar_Turkeys
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To: Gargantua
My theory has always gone thus:

1) Whatever is on Obama's BC (or if there even exists a BC) Linda Lingle, Gov of Hawaii in 2008, knows the real skinny completely.

2) Linda Lingle is best friends with Sarah Palin, therefore,

3) Sarah Palin knows the true skinny about Obama's BC.

So... Could Donald Trump be a stalking horse for Sarah Palin?

Is Trump, purely motivated by the grim economic outlook for the USA - which HE has to try to do deals in - simply insuring Obama loses in 2012 by giving Sarah the political cover she needs to file her OWN Supreme Court suit?

Sarah, if anyone, would have legal standing because she can prove she was injured if there was Election Fraud in 2008. Thoughts?

18 posted on 04/12/2011 12:52:23 AM PDT by sklar
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To: All
My theory has always gone thus:

1) Whatever is on Obama's BC (or if there even exists a BC) Linda Lingle, Gov of Hawaii in 2008, knows the real skinny completely.

2) Linda Lingle is best friends with Sarah Palin, therefore,

3) Sarah Palin knows the true skinny about Obama's BC.

So... Could Donald Trump be a stalking horse for Sarah Palin?

Is Trump, purely motivated by the grim economic outlook for the USA - which HE has to try to do deals in - simply insuring Obama loses in 2012 by giving Sarah the political cover she needs to file her OWN Supreme Court suit?

Sarah, if anyone, would have legal standing because she can prove she was injured if there was Election Fraud in 2008. Thoughts?


sklar, IMHO, your theory is very interesting...

I don't think Trump would be liking the idea of wasting hundreds of millions of his own money trying to get elected then failing. He has been in tight money spots before, I'm sure he's not looking to blowing money.

If he runs, he would have to be very sure he was winning. He would probably also like the idea of significantly helping her - or anyone - win, where he was the key ingredient. It would give him a reputation boost of literally historical proportions, while for either 4 or 8 years giving him that golden access that so many communists now enjoy in the WH.

He has said he will announce by June 1.
19 posted on 04/12/2011 2:19:34 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: sklar
It is perhaps among my greatest personal shortcomings, I admit, that finds it quite difficult for me to acccept that Trump might be doing anything quite so noble. In fact, he might.

But it's one hell of a stretch, and far less likely than my own obscure proposal.

20 posted on 04/12/2011 2:56:57 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua
"In part it is based upon his own unchallenged political history, having donated to both Republicans and Democrats over the years."

So have most other rich political folks--Bill Gates, for one example.


21 posted on 04/12/2011 3:01:26 AM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: noinfringers2
Some such Soros dealing was revealed in the press just in the last couple days. That's what made me start wondering, and was eventually the impetus for this FRarticle.

I like that. You made me coin a new term. "FRarticle."

8^D

22 posted on 04/12/2011 3:04:23 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: CaptainK
"I find it hard to believe that Trump will take a dive for Soros..."

Same here. Then again, coming out the back-end with a couple Billion $$ is hardly a dive, especially given Trump's slim-to-none chance of winning anyway.

If T succeeds in the supposed quest, it would be worth several times that to Spooky.

23 posted on 04/12/2011 3:08:02 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: precisionshootist
The more people tell me "Don't even bother looking over there!, the harder I squint.

If it ain't so, no harm done. We're just asking questions. Which, if more people had done in 2008, we wouldn't be headed over the cliff right now.

I know you support Trump, though God alone knows why. We have a bona-fide American Patriot Superstar Hero about to take O'Bunghole off at the knees, and Trump could monkey-wrench that.

I'll respect your wish not to "go there." You're obliged, under the American system, to reciprocate.

;-\

24 posted on 04/12/2011 3:16:02 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: TigerClaws
"Do we want someone ideologically sound or someone that can beat Obama?"

Both. The times call for both.

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25 posted on 04/12/2011 3:17:35 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: TigerClaws
"The Republican field is weak."

Actually, it is some of the GOP voting bloc that suffers that description, not its strongest candidate in several generations. You make my point.

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26 posted on 04/12/2011 3:20:00 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: flaglady47
"Fie on this kind of dirty trick."

Yeah!! Whatever that means...

8^D

27 posted on 04/12/2011 3:21:41 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Liberals_R_BiPolar_Turkeys
"The Left FEARS DONALD TRUMP!"

The left fears Palin. They laugh their a**es off at "The Hairdo."

8^D

28 posted on 04/12/2011 3:23:34 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: PieterCasparzen
" If he runs, he would have to be very sure he was winning. "

Unless, of course, Soros was funding his bid. It's exactly the type of back-deal play that Soros is quite well known for. Trump...?

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29 posted on 04/12/2011 3:26:08 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: familyop
" So have most other rich political folks--Bill Gates, for one example."

Gates has given away over fifty times the cash Trump ever will have, and Gates has expressed no sudden urge to be King. Your simile falls well short.

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30 posted on 04/12/2011 3:28:48 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: PieterCasparzen
"2) Linda Lingle is best friends with Sarah Palin, therefore,
3) Sarah Palin knows the true skinny about Obama's BC."

And, Palin just came out two days ago with a resounding, "You GO, Donald!"

Interesting.

31 posted on 04/12/2011 3:32:37 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua

was there a fact in your whole essay?


32 posted on 04/12/2011 3:34:28 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Gargantua

Could Gargantua be the screen name of George Soros on FreeRepublic? Could he (or she) be doing nothing other than sowing innuendo? Is there more to the link between Gargantua and George Soros than there first appears? Hmmm? Hmmmmmm????

See how easy that is? And that took, like, ten seconds.


33 posted on 04/12/2011 3:40:21 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Gargantua

Trump is a Spoiler,Since he came on the Scene here Palin,Bachman are not in sight,if they decide to get in Now the First questions will be,do you agree or disagree with Donald Trump on this and that. Then of course when they Hem And Haw and not answer the questions all the Conservatives who Love the Issues Trump Is Raising and the Lack of answers from Palin and the Rest will turn off Palins Popularity Fast,Trumps Mission will be accomplished.
Then Here come the RINOS like Romney.


34 posted on 04/12/2011 3:41:40 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Gargantua

Trump is the anti-Palin antidote in the event of her candidacy...ala Ross Perot...


35 posted on 04/12/2011 3:43:15 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: Puddleglum
"...was there a fact in your whole essay?"

Several. More importantly, however, is the fact revealed by your multiple, engaged responses to my FRarticle. I really hit a nerve with you. Do you feel, or fear, that Donald actually has a sub-rosa agenda that this level of scrutiny threatens? Methinks thou doth protest too much.

:0|

36 posted on 04/12/2011 4:04:23 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua
Could it be that the Donald works for the Trilateral Commission, the Secret Global Order of Free Masons AND the Knights Templar, and has the Da Vinci code microscopically tattooed on the inside of his left eyelid? Well yes, it could all be true - and more! His whole insidious plan is to replace the pyramid on the back of dollar bills with a picture of Trump Tower, and to get Ross Perot's image on the next round of dollar coins that no one will use and will only fit in the slot machines in his casinos. Well, that COULD be his plan - I'll let you decide. Or will I...???
37 posted on 04/12/2011 4:13:22 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Puddleglum
"See how easy that is? And that took, like, ten seconds."

I hear how desperate it sounds. Truth be told, I'm not thinking of running for president. Trump is. Big difference.

What if, after all this Trump-generated enthusiasm, Obama comes out with a legitimate long form BC? Does Obama then take a big step forward as a vindicated, aggreived victim, now owed a second term by the racist, doubting public?

There are just too many ways this could play to the severe disadvantage of the Republic to bother chasing this insipid, pie-in-the-butt Trump rainbow. IMHO.

I'm pretty sure that the more the MSM tells us how The Donald is growing in popularity, the clearer it should be that, were this true, they would do anything but let on that it were so.

Does that sound insane? Does it sound more insane than the times we live in, or than the situation facing our great Nation?

Those questions deserve an honest answer, as our mutual honor, lives and fate hang desperately in the balance.

;-\

38 posted on 04/12/2011 4:15:05 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: max americana

I am also thinking Mr. Trump and Blago, during last seasons show, had some heart to heart talks while drinking some old scotch whiskey.
Also, Blago is up for re-trial > and maybe looking for insurance???? (tin foil hat off)


39 posted on 04/12/2011 4:16:03 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Gargantua

I am just having fun, probably too much at your expense, but I mean just to have fun with the topic and the mayhem Trump is stirring up. Trump will be vetted like everyone else. He will draw the same hit squad that descended on Wasilla and then some.

Look, my nightmare is that Romney wins the nomination. Everything else is me sitting back and watch the rest jockey for position - yes, watching the circus. But I will confess to being pleased that Trump has the cajones to say what everyone else minces around.


40 posted on 04/12/2011 4:19:18 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Gargantua
he has been more generous with Democrats

Most of his business is done in New York and New Jersey. It only stands to reason that he'd end up donating more to the Democrats who have always run them.

This is an interesting post, though. Now we have a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theorist. This could get interesting (and ridiculous).

41 posted on 04/12/2011 4:21:07 AM PDT by BfloGuy
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To: Puddleglum
"Could it be that the Donald works for the Trilateral Commission, the Secret Global Order of Free Masons AND the Knights Templar..."

Yes, we are all aware of the Alinskyite Liberal Tactic of ridiculing a dangerous opponent to lessen his chances of upseting your game plan. Interesting to note that you're an even bigger Alinsky acolyte.

Thanks. Your Freudian Slip is showing again.

;-\

42 posted on 04/12/2011 4:21:50 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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Yes, we are all aware of the Alinskyite Liberal Tactic of ridiculing a dangerous opponent

Funny, I thought Johnathan Swift was born BEFORE Alinsky was. Silly me - I didn't realize Alinsky invented it. Damn, need to brush up on my history of political discourse.

43 posted on 04/12/2011 4:24:44 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Puddleglum
"I am just having fun, probably too much at your expense..."

Oh, now the feigned humility mixed in with a dollop of bonhomie... Sweet.

You give yourself too much credit. First, this costs me almost nothing. Second, you make an easy target, not to mention how much I appreciate all the "bumps" you keep giving my well-written FRarticle.

Engarde! Regardez la Réine!

;-\

44 posted on 04/12/2011 4:29:46 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Puddleglum
Seven... and counting. Thank you!

(_8(|) Doh!!!

45 posted on 04/12/2011 4:33:02 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Puddleglum
Dances With Horses?

Hmmmm.....

8^D

46 posted on 04/12/2011 4:35:19 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua
not to mention how much I appreciate all the "bumps" you keep giving my well-written FRarticle.

bump for the guy's free article - worth every penny

47 posted on 04/12/2011 4:41:12 AM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Puddleglum
"He will draw the same hit squad that descended on Wasilla and then some."

Seriously, he's being given the kid glove treatment compared to Sarah's ceaseless trashing. Especially when you consider that he's made the central theme of his assault O'Buttwad's sore spot, the Birth Certificate, I'm kind of amazed at how relatively tame the Misleadia response has been.

If he gets one-tenth of the venomous attack that Palin has, he'll probably fold up like a lawn chair. It ain't gonna happen, though. The Lefty response is porportional to the threat perceived, and I don't think they equate him on the same threat-level as Palin... nor should they.

She has already repeatedly proven that she can win tough elections, even at very long odds. Not so "The Hairdo."

;-\

48 posted on 04/12/2011 5:11:03 AM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: Gargantua
Trump on the issues.

Just to put it in comparison, here is Rudy's policy chart.

..and Bill Clinton's chart

From ontheissues.org He is way closer to Bill Clinton than he is someone we all agree is a RINO. Heck, on a straight right/left paradigm, he is almost identical to Bill Clinton.

49 posted on 04/12/2011 5:43:21 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Gargantua

Just a couple links re Trump/Soros financial ties.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2703283/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2703277/posts


50 posted on 04/12/2011 5:44:36 AM PDT by mnehring
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