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Is Puerto Rico an United States state?
Mikey

Posted on 04/14/2011 12:06:50 PM PDT by Mikey

I'm having a discussion with a friend who is a liberal and he keeps stating over and over that Puerto Rico is an official state of the United States. I on the other hand keep telling him its a territory NOT a State.

He keeps saying he can prove it, except he never produces any evidence.
I've showed him some older documents on the subject that Puerto Rico is a territory and not a state, but that will not convince him.

Does any Freeper out there in freeland have any recent documents and can prove Puerto Rico is in fact still a territory and not a state or is a state. If yes or no it is a state, provide me with the proper URL so that I verify this.

Shal 'aam
AAPiY
Mike


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1 posted on 04/14/2011 12:06:57 PM PDT by Mikey
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To: Mikey
I've showed him some older documents on the subject that Puerto Rico is a territory and not a state, but that will not convince him.

There's your problem. Liberals are illiterate.

2 posted on 04/14/2011 12:07:51 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: Mikey

It’s a commonwealth of the US, and as such, does not have to pay federal income taxes.


3 posted on 04/14/2011 12:09:00 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Mikey

You shouldn’t be friends with someone who is too stupid to use wikipedia.


4 posted on 04/14/2011 12:09:13 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Mikey
Patronize him and tell him that it's one of the 57 states according to Obama.
5 posted on 04/14/2011 12:09:42 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Mikey

http://www.topuertorico.org/government.shtml


6 posted on 04/14/2011 12:10:07 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Mikey

Your liberal friend must believe that Puerto Rico was the 51st of the 57 states that make up the USA.

Mark


7 posted on 04/14/2011 12:10:20 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Mikey

Definitely NOT — yet. There’s a constant Democrat campaign for PR’s adoption as a state but we have more than enough welfare payments already. We don’t need to add thousands more welfare grifters and Democrat voters.


8 posted on 04/14/2011 12:10:36 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Mikey

Intellectual arrogance is one of the prime pathologies of “progressives” ... they are the last people that will ever consider that they might be wrong about something.

PR is a territory, not a state. Not yet anyway.


9 posted on 04/14/2011 12:10:36 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Mikey

Try https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rq.html


10 posted on 04/14/2011 12:10:47 PM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: Impy
Apparently Mikey doesn't either.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search This article is about the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. For other uses, see Puerto Rico (disambiguation). Commonwealth of Puerto Rico Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico Flag Coat of arms Motto: Latin: Joannes Est Nomen Eius Spanish: Juan es su nombre English: John is his name Anthem: La Borinqueña Capital (and largest city) San Juan 18°27′N 66°6′W / 18.45°N 66.1°W / 18.45; -66.1 Official language(s) Spanish and English[1] Ethnic groups white (mostly Spanish origin) 75.8%, black 12.4%, Asian 0.2%, Amerindian 0.5%, SOR 7.8%, other 3.3% (2010)[2] Demonym Puerto Rican Government Republic, three-branch government - President Barack Obama (D) - Governor Luis Fortuño (PNP/R) - Federal legislative branch United States Congress Sovereignty United States[3] - Cession December 10, 1898 from Kingdom of Spain - Autonomy November 25, 1897[4] Area - Total 9,104 km2 (169th) 3,515 sq mi - Water (%) 1.6 Population - 2010 census 3,725,789[5] - Density 430/km2 (21st in the world; 2nd in U.S.) 1,113/sq mi GDP (PPP) 2007 estimate - Total $77.4 billion (N/A) - Per capita $19,600 (N/A) GDP (nominal) 2009 estimate - Total $95.71 billion[6] (N/A) - Per capita $24,164 [7] (N/A) Gini (2006) 53.5 [8][9] (?th) HDI (n/a) 0.894 (High) (Not ranked) Currency United States dollar (USD) Time zone AST (UTC–4) - Summer (DST) No DST (UTC–4) Drives on the right ISO 3166 code PR Internet TLD .pr Calling code +1 (spec. +1-787 and +1-939) Puerto Rico ( /ˌpɔrtə ˈriːkoʊ/ or /ˌpwɛərtə ˈriːkoʊ/),[note 1] officially the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico (Spanish: "Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico", [esˈtaðo ˈlibɾe asosˈjaðo ðe ˈpweɾto ˈriko]—literally Associated Free State of Puerto Rico), is an unincorporated territory of the United States, located in the northeastern Caribbean Sea, east of the Dominican Republic and west of the Virgin Islands.
11 posted on 04/14/2011 12:11:05 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Mikey

No.

If it was a state, there would be 51 stars on the flag.


12 posted on 04/14/2011 12:11:09 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Mikey
Not a state, they don't pay our taxes.

They have shown no interest in statehood. They get the benefits without the inherent taxes that would come.

The lefties fantasize about statehood for them as a way for the left to stay in power. It is not that simple over there.

13 posted on 04/14/2011 12:11:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Mikey
Make smarter friends.
14 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:01 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Mikey

Ask him if Puerto Rico is a state, who are it’s two senators? All states are represented by two senators, but only states. That’s why Washington DC does not have senators, it’s not a state.


15 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:22 PM PDT by Bush_Democrat (ATLAS SHRUGGED was supposed to be a warning, NOT a newspaper.)
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To: Mikey

Arguing with Idiots: How to Stop Small Minds and Big Government
http://www.amazon.com/Arguing-Idiots-Small-Minds-Government/dp/1416595015


16 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Mikey
"Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico

Associated Free State of Puerto Rico, is an unincorporated territory of the United States, located in the northeastern Caribbean Sea, east of the Dominican Republic and west of the Virgin Islands."

From ikipedia, which he loves if he's a lib.

17 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:38 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: Mikey

Yer frien are a moron.


18 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mikey
Ask him who the two senators from Puerto Rico are.

19 posted on 04/14/2011 12:12:59 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Mikey

Google “Insular Cases”.

Puerto Rico is, officially, an organized, non-incorporated territory of the United States (an aberration by an activist Supreme Court since no such thing is outlined in the Constitution - see my profile page).

For practical purposes Puerto Rico is “within” the United States. This means that for most purposes Puerto Rico is “like” a state. It is within the U.S. Customs territory.


20 posted on 04/14/2011 12:13:05 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Not a state, they don’t pay our taxes.”

The first part is correct. The second is incorrect. We do pay federal taxes.


21 posted on 04/14/2011 12:15:13 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Mikey

Never Argue With A Fool – They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!


22 posted on 04/14/2011 12:15:42 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Mikey
It's not a state, and every time the Puerto Ricans vote on it, the votes (cleverly) come down to 49% in favor of statehood, 51% against. That's why there's not 51 stars on the US flag.

They abide by US Federal law, and they do not have voting representatives in the US Congress. Basically, they're a legal entity like the Philippines used to be and sort of how Washington DC is now. After the Spanish-American War, we administered both the Philippines and Puerto Rico, but we let the Philippines go and kept Puerto Rico because they're inside the American hemisphere.

I will say one thing, though: You travel to San Juan and it's completely indistinguishable from Miami. Hell, they have three Bed Bath & Beyond retail locations in Puerto Rico.

23 posted on 04/14/2011 12:16:00 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Tzimisce

And yet more millions frittered away to even more people receiving relief.


24 posted on 04/14/2011 12:16:12 PM PDT by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: Bush_Democrat

Yep, the senator argument is the only one that needs to be advanced. It’s short, to the point, and undeniable.


25 posted on 04/14/2011 12:16:32 PM PDT by bagman
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To: Bernard Marx

“Definitely NOT — yet. There’s a constant Democrat campaign for PR’s adoption as a state but we have more than enough welfare payments already. We don’t need to add thousands more welfare grifters and Democrat voters.”

That is incorrect. The democrats, along with the republicans, both always manage to block statehood. Ask Luis Gutierrez (D-IL).


26 posted on 04/14/2011 12:17:08 PM PDT by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Mikey
Mikey, ask Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico is a self-governing commonwealth in association with the United States.
The chief of state is the President of the United States of America. ...

www.topuertorico.org/government.shtml - Cached - Similar

27 posted on 04/14/2011 12:19:20 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: Mikey

http://www.topuertorico.org/government.shtml


28 posted on 04/14/2011 12:19:33 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Mikey

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rq.html


29 posted on 04/14/2011 12:19:56 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: dblshot
I do and it was the first proof I quoted to him and still he refuses to believe it. He keeps telling me his wife is Puerto rican and she says Puerto Rico is a state.

He keeps babbling on and on how he has proof, but never produces it.
Liberals, go figure.

30 posted on 04/14/2011 12:20:21 PM PDT by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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To: Mikey
Mikey,
You need to learn that it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue / debate with idiots or liars.

If it was me, I would find a new friend. This one is stupid and we all know stupidity is terminal.

31 posted on 04/14/2011 12:21:58 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: RexBeach
Virginia, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts are also Commonwealths, yet we are forced to pay federal taxes. What gives here?
32 posted on 04/14/2011 12:22:39 PM PDT by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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To: Mikey

You need to show him three documents: The Foraker Act of 1900, the Jones Act of 1917 and the Puerto Rican Constitution of 1952, and ask him to point out to you where any of those documents describes Puerto Rico as a state within the United States. They don’t. The Foraker Act, two years after the end of the Spanish American War, allows for a civil government to replace military control and states that the island is a territory of the United States. Neither the Jones Act nor the Constitution change the language of the Foraker Act. I suspect he is confused because Puerto Ricans enjoy US citizenship.


33 posted on 04/14/2011 12:23:14 PM PDT by La Lydia ("California: When the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over.")
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To: cll
‘Contrary to common misconception, residents of Puerto Rico pay U.S. federal taxes: import/export taxes, federal commodity taxes, social security taxes, etc. Most residents do not pay federal income tax but pay federal payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare), and Puerto Rico income taxes.

But federal employees, or those who do business with the federal government, Puerto Rico-based corporations that intend to send funds to the U.S. and others also pay federal income taxes.

Because the cutoff point for income taxation is lower than that of the U.S. IRS code, and because the per-capita income in Puerto Rico is much lower than the average per-capita income on the mainland, more Puerto Rico residents pay income taxes to the local taxation authority than if the IRS code were applied to the island. Residents are eligible for Social Security benefits upon retirement. But Puerto Rico is excluded from Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and receives less than 15% of the Medicaid funding it would be allotted as a state, while Medicare providers receive only partial state-like reimbursements for services rendered to beneficiaries in Puerto Rico (even though the latter paid fully into the system).’

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico

34 posted on 04/14/2011 12:25:39 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Mikey

You can’t teach stupid.


35 posted on 04/14/2011 12:26:47 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Wealth = Net Worth ...........Income = Net Work!)
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To: Bernard Marx; Mikey

Manifesto of USA Statehood

(Metro Manila, The Philippines)

http://www.expansionistparty.org/Manifesto.html


36 posted on 04/14/2011 12:26:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ('As a kid, I got three meals a day: Oatmeal, miss-a-meal, and no meal.' Mr. T)
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To: Bernard Marx
Definitely NOT — yet. There’s a constant Democrat campaign for PR’s adoption as a state but we have more than enough welfare payments already.

The Pro-Statehood party in Puerto Rico is affiliated with the (mainland) Republican Party, not the Dems.

37 posted on 04/14/2011 12:28:03 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Mikey

It’s really simple. If PR was a state it would have two Senators in the Congress. Go to the Senate website and ask the poor liberal to identify the two state Senators from the list of all Senators.


38 posted on 04/14/2011 12:31:29 PM PDT by USNA74
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To: The KG9 Kid
Basically, they're a legal entity like the Philippines used to be and sort of how Washington DC is now. After the Spanish-American War, we administered both the Philippines and Puerto Rico, but we let the Philippines go and kept Puerto Rico because they're inside the American hemisphere.

More like D.C. than the Philippines, because Puerto Ricans are automatically U.S. citizens at birth and are free to move to the mainland if they want. Filipinos were not U.S. citizens even when the U.S. controlled the Phillipines.

39 posted on 04/14/2011 12:32:09 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Tupelo
I've known this guy for over 35 years. We lost touch with each bother around 23 years or so ago. I punched in his name on face book and found him.

I was traveling down south and on my way back up from Louisiana he called me and invited me to his house in North Carolina. That's where I am now. We (his wife, he and I) were watching TV and Obamarx came on and I made a comment and the discussion started.

He and his wife are nice people, but as with all liberals they are deluded and will not believe it even when proof is staring them right in the face.

40 posted on 04/14/2011 12:34:13 PM PDT by Mikey (He that refuses to know and exert his rights, doesn't deserve them.)
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To: RexBeach

Yes, but according to what I have read in the Wall Street Journal,the zip code with the highest percentage of Social Security disability payments comes from there. No wonder SS is in trouble.


41 posted on 04/14/2011 12:36:31 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: Mikey

Tell him you’ll show him proof that PR isn’t a state when he shows you where the right to privacy is in the constitution.


42 posted on 04/14/2011 12:37:42 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (Now showing: Dark Ages II.)
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To: Mikey
If Puerto Rico became a state most residents would qualify for food stamps and earned income tax refunds. It would be an instant money pit. They would vote Democrat to loot the mainland.

Grammar lesson: it's a United, not an United. Words that start with a you sound do not follow the vowel rule.

43 posted on 04/14/2011 12:38:50 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Mikey

Save your breath - your “friend” does not want to know the truth.


44 posted on 04/14/2011 12:41:47 PM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Mikey

While you can’t trust everything Wikipedia states it is up to date. If you are arguing with a wife though discretion is the better part of valor.


45 posted on 04/14/2011 12:41:52 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Mikey

Your liberal friend is a moron.

While Puerto Rico MAY be one of the 57 states in the ‘United States of Obama’, it is NOT one of the 50 states that make up the United States of America.

Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory.


46 posted on 04/14/2011 12:42:12 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Mikey

Puerto Rico is, of course, one of the 57 United States.


47 posted on 04/14/2011 12:45:28 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: Mikey

Does he agree that there are only 50 states? If so, have him read the list of states in alphabetical order including Puerto Rico and ask him if Wyoming is still a state.

Or get him to go to www.50states.com


48 posted on 04/14/2011 12:48:37 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: Mikey

Don’t forget Kentucky!

I don’t know, but PR is referred to as a commonwealth of the US. It is still a territory with its own non voting delegate in the House.

Mark Russell used to that sending a non-voting delegate to the House, was like sending a eunuch to an orgy.

-Rex


49 posted on 04/14/2011 12:50:21 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Mikey
Well I guess you can have her call the governor's office and ask them when they became a state.
Puerto Rico Governor Luis Fortuno La Fortaleza, San Juan, PR 00901 Tel: (787)721-7000 email: webmaster@govpr.org web: http://fortaleza.govpr.org
50 posted on 04/14/2011 12:52:41 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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