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Philadelphia Orchestra filing for bankruptcy (to escape union contracts)
CBSNews/AP ^ | 04/18/2011 | Staff

Posted on 04/18/2011 1:54:57 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

(CBS/AP) The world-renowned Philadelphia Orchestra, long considered one of the best in the nation, will be filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection - an apparent first in recent history for a major U.S. orchestra.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Music/Entertainment; Society
KEYWORDS: arts; entertainment; symphonies; unions
If you think the union contracts for the automobile industry are oppressive, they have NOTHING on the live music/theater industry. I read that stage in NY frequently make over $200K because of the way the union contracts are structured.
1 posted on 04/18/2011 1:54:59 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

I don’t think this is a first Ch.11 in recent US history, I believe Honolulu Symphony filed Ch.11 bankruptcy in 2009 and Orlando Symphony filed for Ch.11 bankruptcy in 1991.

Syracuse Symphony Orchestra filed Chapter 7 this month also.


2 posted on 04/18/2011 2:01:37 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: OldDeckHand

To me,they haven’t been the same orchestra since Eugene Ormandy died.


3 posted on 04/18/2011 2:02:51 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: OldDeckHand

Point being, which ever schlub staff writer at CBSNews/AP who got assigned to write this article knows absolutely nothing about the US orchestra/symphony scene. The arts/musical philanthropy media have been on top of this since the slowdown in donations and subscriptions in late 2007, I guess CBSNews/AP doesn’t pay attention to the industry media.

Dec 3, 2010 ... Louisville Orchestra Inc. filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code Friday.


4 posted on 04/18/2011 2:05:07 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: mkmensinger

they haven’t been the same orchestra since Eugene Ormandy died.

Agree, it was the greatest under Ormandy.


5 posted on 04/18/2011 2:05:58 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: JerseyHighlander
I don't follow it that scene closely, although my wife does, but when I read it, it didn't sound right to me.

AP get it wrong again. Surprising. /s

6 posted on 04/18/2011 2:10:46 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Of course, being “ARTISTES”, that evil profitability word does not enter into their thinking!! Clearly, rich people should be taxed and the money given to them, considering the vitally important JOB they do!!! What could possibly more crucial to the nations’ survival than playing the piccolo??!!!


7 posted on 04/18/2011 2:11:02 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: OldDeckHand
Pew Foundation and Annenberg Foundation don't want to pay union rates?
8 posted on 04/18/2011 2:13:59 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: OldDeckHand

I organized a Sit Down Dinner for my Company in 1993 for 600 People prior to the 20th Anniversary Of Philadelphia Symphony in Beijing The Great Hall of The People.

The Most Borish bunch of People I ever met A-Holes Come to Mind! Like Most Philly Icons all History and No Concept of Reality!


9 posted on 04/18/2011 2:32:55 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: JerseyHighlander
Honolulu is a smaller orchestra with a much smaller reach; The Big five orchestras are the NY, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago & Philadelphia.

If you have never scene one of these in person I would highly advise you to do so. It is truly an experience music lovers will never forget.

10 posted on 04/18/2011 2:43:36 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Fortunately the SSO is dead. In a community that has all but died, there was simply no support for a Symphony Orchestra and the taxpayers should not be coughing up money for luxuries like this.


11 posted on 04/18/2011 2:50:23 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Oldpuppymax

(in a the voice of Sinatra) I like flute players....if they’re broads.


12 posted on 04/18/2011 2:58:55 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: mkmensinger

Hear, hear.


13 posted on 04/18/2011 3:01:25 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
"The Big five orchestras are the NY, Boston, Cleveland, Chicago & Philadelphia."

Cincinnati has a well-respected, and I think very old orchestra, does it not? I've been to their music hall, and it's really quite grand. In fact, with the Cincinnati Music Conservatory and The Pops, it's a city with a blue-chip music scene.

14 posted on 04/18/2011 3:14:19 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: Joan Kerrey
Agree, it was the greatest under Ormandy.Sergie Rachmaninoff was friends with him and even dedicated his third symphony to the Philadelphia Orchestra.
15 posted on 04/18/2011 3:16:12 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: Joan Kerrey
Agree, it was the greatest under Ormandy.Sergie Rachmaninoff was friends with him and even dedicated his third symphony to the Philadelphia Orchestra.
16 posted on 04/18/2011 3:16:15 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand
Thanks for posting this.

In the 1970’s I was a part-time bartender at the Academy of Music during the intermissions.

My boss instructed me carefully as to what degree of booze consumption to expect from the different audiences:

HIGH intermission drinking: Opera
Lots of intermissions for long operas and husbands trying to make it through the opera. Mixed ethnic audience.

MEDIUM intermission drinking: Ballet
Artistic appreciation seems to not be degraded too much by alcohol.

LOW intermission drinking: Symphony
For some reason the mostly Jewish audience prefers to stay sober and doesn't regard the occasion as an excuse for drinking!

Name dropping celebrity story:
Werner Klemperer (Colonel Klink) wandered out the the audience DURING a performance by the symphony in honor of his father, the great Berlin Symphony conductor Otto Klemperer.

This was normally my downtime waiting for the intermission and he asked for a drink and made chit-chat. At one point he let out with an "Oy Vey!" and for the first time it occurred to me that he was Jewish and the irony of having him play a Nazi officer (OK, I was a bit dense then, too).

I also sold Grace Kelly a candy bar while working the candy and "orange drink" concession at the Schubert Theater down the street. As she was coming up in the line my boss grabbed my arm and switched places with me so I could serve her "to have something to tell my kids."

17 posted on 04/18/2011 3:25:02 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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This was normally my downtime waiting for the intermission and he asked for a drink and made chit-chat. At one point he let out with an "Oy Vey!" and for the first time it occurred to me that he was Jewish and the irony of having him play a Nazi officer (OK, I was a bit dense then, too).

Sgt. Schultz and General Burkhalter were also played by Jewish actors.

18 posted on 04/18/2011 3:27:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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“Funny, they don’t look Jewish.”

Thanks for pointing that out!


19 posted on 04/18/2011 3:38:58 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: OldDeckHand

In hard times the Arts are the first to feel it.


20 posted on 04/18/2011 3:43:42 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Yes, Cincinnati has a very well respected orchestra, however the most highly regarded and best orchestra's in the country are generally considered to be the big five of Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Philly & The NY Philharmonic. The San Francisco is also a top flight U. S. Orchestra. They are all full size full scale orchestras with extensive recordings and World renown. Most go on extended World tours every season.

According to Gramophone the top World Orchestra's are:

Gramophone’s complete list of Top 20 orchestras 2010:

The Top 10
1) Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, Amsterdam
2) Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra
3) Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
4) London Symphony Orchestra
5) Chicago Symphony Orchestra
6) Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra
7) Cleveland Orchestra
8) Los Angeles Philharmonic
9) Budapest Festival Orchestra
10) Dresden Staatskapelle

The Next 10
11) Boston Symphony Orchestra
12) New York Philharmonic
13) San Francisco Symphony
14) Mariinsky Theater Orchestra
15) Russian National Orchestra
16) Leningrad Philharmonic
17) Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra
18) Metropolitan Opera Orchestra
19) Saito Kinen Symphony Orchestra
20) Czech Philharmonic

Unfortunately ALL of the top U.S. Orchestra's are operating at a loss. Generally in the $2 - $4million range. Most have had to scale back wages with the union musicians. Cleveland had a strike a few years ago over wage and benefits that saw a 5% wage decrease and a trimming of some benefits.

21 posted on 04/18/2011 3:54:07 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: sitetest; Borges

too old for the general classical music ping list, but I thought you ought to know, if you missed it.


22 posted on 05/01/2011 7:13:36 PM PDT by gusopol3
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