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Trump, Abercrombie spar over "birther" issue
hawaiinewsnow.com via Drudge ^ | Posted: Apr 20, 2011 12:16 AM CDT | By Brooks Baehr

Posted on 04/20/2011 6:58:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle

HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) – There is evidence to refute the claim that President Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, and therefore is not eligible to be president of the United States, but "birthers" persist with their claims that Obama is in office illegally. Donald Trump is the latest to question the president's birthplace.

Former state Health Director Chiyome Fukino has said several times she has personally inspected President Obama's birth certificate twice. In an interview earlier this month she said claims Obama was not born here are "ludicrous" and "silly."

Both the Honolulu Star Bulletin and the Honolulu Advertiser ran announcements in August, 1961 saying Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama had a son on August 4 of that year.

But Trump and others continue to demand Obama make his birth certificate public.

"If he has a birth certificate he should release it," Trump told NBC News.

Trump exudes confidence. He is so sure of himself he says he may run for president in 2012.

"First of all, my successes, and I think you will attest to this, have been vast," he told NBC's Michael Isakoff. "I have built a great company. I've done a great job. I've put a lot of people to work," Trump added.

When Isakoff asked Trump if he thinks officials in Hawaii are lying about the birth certificate, Trump answered, "The governor of Hawaii said he was there when he was born. Now do you really believe that the governor of Hawaii was there when he was born? I don't."

(Excerpt) Read more at hawaiinewsnow.com ...


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KEYWORDS: certificategate; certifigate; hawaii; whereisit
Well, Neil YOU couldn't come up with it, so what's up with THAT?
1 posted on 04/20/2011 6:58:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: F15Eagle

Show us the BC. So simple.


2 posted on 04/20/2011 7:00:44 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Steely Tom

But that LFBC would cost $12.

I mean, a whole $12.

We can’t expect them to spend $12.


3 posted on 04/20/2011 7:01:49 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Has Obama ever given a reason why he won’t show his long form birth certificate?


4 posted on 04/20/2011 7:02:49 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon
Has Obama ever given a reason why he won’t show his long form birth certificate?

He won't address the issue at all, except to make fun of those who want to see it.

He has his flacks handle it, and as far as they're concerned, the COLB is his LFBC. Anyone who questions this line of reasoning is dismissed as a "birther."

5 posted on 04/20/2011 7:05:58 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: ecomcon

One excuse is that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and his named is legally Barry Soetoro.

IF (IF that’s all it says, it wouldn’t disqualify him, if indeed it shows he was truly born at Kapi’olani and has the doctor) that is what it says.

They are most usually amended like this.

Much as I’d like for him to go, if he was born on US soil, then he is definitely a citizen, though not a citizen of two Americans (SAD didn’t even meet the age 19 requirement at the time).

Personally, I doubt this is the reason, but who can know for sure?

Because he most certainly does not want you to see that Long Form Birth Certificate.


6 posted on 04/20/2011 7:10:16 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

SHOW THE BC..
AND all school records and past citizenship papers...
case closed!


7 posted on 04/20/2011 7:17:06 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: ecomcon
I can't believe if Obama was not born in the U.S. it would not be shown by now - I think this is the Obama team wanting their opponents chasing rabbit trails and losing sight of their real game target.

Though, it seems public opinion maybe turning on Obama on this issue (against him) more then they ever thought possible.

The whole issue is ridiculous at this point. Show your BC and lets move on.

8 posted on 04/20/2011 7:19:44 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: F15Eagle
When Isakoff asked Trump if he thinks officials in Hawaii are lying about the birth certificate, Trump answered, "The governor of Hawaii said he was there when he was born. Now do you really believe that the governor of Hawaii was there when he was born? I don't."

Hawaii News Now caught up to Governor Neil Abercrombie and asked him to clarify what he meant when he said he was "there."

"Of course here in Hawaii," Abercrombie said.

"Not in the room?" we asked.

"Let's be serious. It is simply reprehensible to have this kind of conversation. Insulting someone's mother and father speaks about the person who is doing it," Abercrombie said.

So this is the governor's "proof" ? He was residing in Hawaii?

9 posted on 04/20/2011 7:20:26 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: F15Eagle
“There is evidence to refute the claim that President Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, and therefore is not eligible to be president of the United States, but “birthers” persist with their claims that Obama is in office illegally.”

Not true. We do not claim he is in the WH illegally. We just have not seen proof. I do not necessarily take a reporter's word that a COLB is proof and I have not seen the true Long Form version like I have had to provide to get a passport. I would love to see his PP.

10 posted on 04/20/2011 7:21:41 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: Brandonmark

“So this is the governor’s “proof” ? He was residing in Hawaii? “

The Gov is a liar and not a very good one. Babblefish!


11 posted on 04/20/2011 7:23:33 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: Brandonmark

Wonder if Neil was trippin’ to Sgt. Pepper a bit too much back in the 60’s to remember too much clearly.

But Abercrombie’s friend Mike Evans said no birth certificate - then said he didn’t say then — then had it played back to him.

Mike Evans Back Tracks on Birth Certificate Story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lkYK_QcqHY

Pretty bizarre when $12 would answer the whole thing.


12 posted on 04/20/2011 7:24:55 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

“There is evidence to refute the claim that President Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii”

Produce it, ya lyin’ sack of dog crap.


13 posted on 04/20/2011 7:25:07 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Anything but a $12 Long Form Birth Certificate.

And if he has one, he refused to let Lakin’s team have it.


14 posted on 04/20/2011 7:27:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

A person is guilty until proven innocent when it comes to meeting any sort of eleigibility requirements for anything whether it be Little League or the Presidency. Obama has not demonstrated eligibility and since there is confusion and uncertainty on this point he is ineligible until he proves his eligibility.

I don’t know or care where Obama was born per se. His birth is not the only issue. The citizenship of his parents also enter into the discussion about NBC. Some FReepers feel they absolutely know that irregardless of where Obama was born he still is ineligible. I have no opnion on that one way or the other. I’d prefer a definitive ruling by the Supreme Court to settle it. Some say its settled but I am not so sure of that.

I just want absolute assurance that the Constitution was followed and let the chips fall where they may. It is not about Obama.


15 posted on 04/20/2011 7:31:46 PM PDT by plain talk
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16 posted on 04/20/2011 7:31:48 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: F15Eagle
Former state Health Director Chiyome Fukino has said several times she has personally inspected President Obama's birth certificate twice.

Well, since Fukino has personally inspected the document, that's good enough for me. Case closed. Let's move on to something else.

By the way, I have personally inspected my grandmother's birth certificate. It turns out that she was the rightful heir to the British throne!

So I will thank Elizabeth to move out of Buckingham Palace ASAP. I'll be there early next week to take possession.

Oh, and that upcoming royal wedding? I'm not paying for it.

17 posted on 04/20/2011 7:37:00 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern, you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

One wonders why they didn’t give a $12 Long Form Birth Certificate to Lakin’s team early on.

Then again, maybe there’s no need to wonder.

Something very strange. It makes no sense at all.


18 posted on 04/20/2011 7:38:37 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

The latest from that old hippie Abercrombie

Reporter: Abercrombies says he saw Obama days after he was born. So what Neil. After he got off the plane from Kenya LoL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGkJ16pwOc&feature=player_embedded


19 posted on 04/20/2011 7:38:37 PM PDT by Red Steel (i)
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To: Red Steel

Neil must have been a baggage-handler, lol


20 posted on 04/20/2011 7:41:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Being no fan of Trump, he may be useful if he becomes a POTUS candidate, keeps pressing the NBC issue, and may become the only person in the entire planet who “has standing” to get this in front of SCOTUS, finally.


21 posted on 04/20/2011 7:54:49 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

I get steamed when the advertisements in the paper are “proof” to people trying to discredit “birthers”. Great. So they placed an ad in newspapers. Try to get a passport, or a bank account, or a mortgage, or student financial aid with a newspaper clipping. It wouldn’t even work for a illegal migrant worker. Even THEY know enough to at least get FAKE documents.


22 posted on 04/20/2011 8:01:11 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: F15Eagle

We already know Abercrumbly is a liar.


23 posted on 04/20/2011 8:12:16 PM PDT by pallis
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To: F15Eagle

Both the Honolulu Star Bulletin and the Honolulu Advertiser ran announcements in August, 1961 saying Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama had a son on August 4 of that year.
____________________________________________

There was a Mrs Barak Obama back home in Kenya

Was she the one who had the son on Aug 4 ???

There was no Mr and Mrs Barak Obama in Hawaii...


24 posted on 04/20/2011 8:17:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: F15Eagle

I don’t understand what’s the big deal!

The COLB already shows that he is not a Natural Born citizen by the virtue of his father being a British Subject!!

What is the hold-up?


25 posted on 04/20/2011 8:59:44 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: Tennessee Nana

Are you saying there is no documentation of Obamas mother living in Hawaii in 1961? I ask because I often wondered if she was even listed as a resident of the state back then, in a phone book, had an address, filed any paper work or a tax return from any address other than her parents residence? Is she listed in the 1960 census in Hawaii? Although claiming to live with her parents proves nothing, if she had an established independent address away from her parents I could MAYBE see her being there. Having a mother with no proof of her own as even being in the state at the time raises red flags. A hospital can’t give out the birth certificate, but they can say “Mrs. Obama stayed in room 40 under Dr. Smith’s care” for example, couldn’t they? She is deceased it’s not like they’d be invading her privacy!


26 posted on 04/20/2011 9:57:13 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: F15Eagle
Didn't I read where Neil A. Claimed he was actually there when Obama was born because he was such good friends with Obama’s mother? Now he claims he was just in the state of Hawaii and that's what he meant as being “there”!? I think my Aunt was vacationing in Hawaii in 1961, I'll ask her if being “there” means she can prove Obama is a natural born citizen.
27 posted on 04/20/2011 10:07:13 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: F15Eagle
How could Fukino twice review a Birth Certificate that Abercrombie has said is not even there?

I'd love to hear the answer..............

8:}

28 posted on 04/20/2011 10:28:51 PM PDT by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a Novembr II........)
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To: AwesomePossum

Neil said “it is actually written down in the archives”

There is some note - might be in pencil for all we know.

Fukino fudged her answer if this is the case.

I’m sure something is “written down” ... “somewhere”.

But that doesn’t explain a missing LFBC.

Very odd.


29 posted on 04/21/2011 2:17:03 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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