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COLB Poll to Freep
pmsnbc ^ | 4/27/11 | pmsnbc

Posted on 04/27/2011 10:41:11 AM PDT by illiac

Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's U.S. a citizen?

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KEYWORDS: colb; obama

1 posted on 04/27/2011 10:41:14 AM PDT by illiac
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To: illiac

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...........


2 posted on 04/27/2011 10:43:15 AM PDT by neverbluffer
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To: illiac

Crappy poll. It deliberately omits the question of whether he is a “natural born citizen”, which requires that BOTH parents be citizens.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 10:45:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: illiac
It is an interesting document that was released. Why is the father's race listed as African, there is no such race.
Also, Barrack Hussein Obama II, is typed on a different type writer than the rest of the document. Weird.
4 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:00 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: illiac

It’s just further validation that I was correct.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:33 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: illiac
Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's U.S. a citizen?
Naturally the wrong question is asked.

Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's a natural born citizen?
No!

6 posted on 04/27/2011 10:46:47 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: illiac

I’m convinced the republicans in congress are wimps. Trump, a celebrity forced Obama to show his birth certificate while the limp wrist republicans couldn’t even get Obama to cave into real budget cuts.

Obama said in his speech today that we have to get on to more important things, while his wife was in her room packing for the Oprah show.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 10:47:07 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Will Obama drive up in his golf cart to respond to Trump's latest demand?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Too many questions. What was the date of his birth and what was the date on his mother’s marriage certificate? What was her birth date?


8 posted on 04/27/2011 10:47:44 AM PDT by Netizen
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It is....they also had one out earlier today...either a yes or no answer meant that the responder to the poll agreed this was the real thing....gotta love the msm....


9 posted on 04/27/2011 10:48:06 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: illiac

Does it matter? His dad was not born in the US


10 posted on 04/27/2011 10:49:12 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: neverbluffer

There is still the question of natural born citizenship.

There is the question about the non-sequential document number.

There is the question of how he got a SSN from Connecticut when no one in his family ever lived there.

There is the question of how he traveled to Pakistan when US citizens were not allowed to do so.

There is the question of ALL of his college application documents.

And the questions go on and on.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 10:49:35 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: illiac
Unfortunately, 'Are you convinced he's a liar' was not a choice.


12 posted on 04/27/2011 10:53:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Netizen

The release is meant to stop the states from passing laws that prove the president is constitutionally eligible to hold the office.


13 posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Let’s see all of the rest of his records...He’s still a mystery. How did he do in school? Was his citizenship renounced when in Indonesia? Just a few questions.

Unfortunately, at this stage of the game, I don’t believe a word he says—possibly because his actions speak loudly and they don’t match his words.


14 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:30 AM PDT by packman
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To: tsowellfan

I agree...


15 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:52 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: illiac

Oh hell NO!


16 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:59 AM PDT by jackieh
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To: illiac
Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's a U.S. a citizen? {corrections added}

Yes, at least so far, it appears that he is a citizen.

But that is not the question!!! The question is whether of not he is a "natural born citizen" as requird by the Constitution.

17 posted on 04/27/2011 10:57:48 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: neverbluffer; butterdezillion
YEEEEEEEEES! The BC moves the game along quite nicely.
(1) It shows that the President is a "Native Born Citizen."
(2)It shows that he is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen."
(3)That means he has himself provided a document for us that proves his ineligibility for the office.
(4) So, for the foregoing reasons, I am quite willing to accept the document as genuine.

Questions:

Where are the Amendments?
HELLO? WHERE ARE THE AMENDMENTS?

So Abercrombie lied when he said there wasn't one?
Why did he wait so long to fork it over?
Will the Hawaiians now hold up the original at a presser?

This could be a good move for Obama. Ball firmly back in our court with the NBC issue. Too bad Congress, the candidates and the SCOTUS are not interested in Constitutional stuff. Too bad I am not a SCOTUS Justice!

18 posted on 04/27/2011 10:58:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: neverbluffer; butterdezillion
YEEEEEEEEES! The BC moves the game along quite nicely.
(1) It shows that the President is a "Native Born Citizen."
(2)It shows that he is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen."
(3)That means he has himself provided a document for us that proves his ineligibility for the office.
(4) So, for the foregoing reasons, I am quite willing to accept the document as genuine.

Questions:

Where are the Amendments?
HELLO? WHERE ARE THE AMENDMENTS?

So Abercrombie lied when he said there wasn't one?
Why did he wait so long to fork it over?
Will the Hawaiians now hold up the original at a presser?

This could be a good move for Obama. Ball firmly back in our court with the NBC issue. Too bad Congress, the candidates and the SCOTUS are not interested in Constitutional stuff. Too bad I am not a SCOTUS Justice!

19 posted on 04/27/2011 10:58:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: illiac

IBD Editorials

If Obama Is Natural-Born, Why Suppress Evidence?

By JOHN F. GASKI
Posted 04/26/2011 05:24 PM ET

Second Of Two Parts

So what of the cumulative evidence against our maybe-president’s citizenship? Let the reader judge the balance and weight of a summary appraisal. (Curious machinations over a crucial piece of evidence, a birth certificate of all things, changed the balance for me.)

1. If B.H. Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen, those who flack for him should be able to do better than the unpersuasive defense they have offered.

More specifically damning, haven’t you noticed how Obama apologists rarely offer a substantive argument for his citizenship at all, but instead use personal attack, invective, sophistry, demagogy and ridicule? The bottom line: If you believe that the artist formerly known as Barry Soetoro really is a natural U.S. citizen, prove it. If the subject of the controversy cannot, others are not likely to be able to either.

(When this writer uses attack, ridicule, etc., it is not gratuitous but grows from the substance, such as the appearance of an insidious political provocation and national existential emergency, as here.)

2. A rhetorical question: If B.H. Obama is not hiding something terrible in his birth records, why has he spent millions covering them up? Maybe it is something else entirely, but maybe not — and ultimately it may not matter, for this deductive reason: Obama knows the cover-up only creates grave public suspicion about his constitutional eligibility, at least in responsible quarters, so if something else is the real secret, it must be something as bad or worse.

3. An attempted exculpatory answer has actually come from Obama’s fiercest opponents. Conservative radio hosts sometimes mention the insider belief that they are being sandbagged or “rope-a-doped,” that the birth certificate would reveal valid Hawaiian origin, and Obama is saving it to discredit them or Republicans if they raise the issue.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/ArticlePrint.aspx?id=570195&p=1


20 posted on 04/27/2011 11:03:04 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: butterdezillion
Clever move Barry! Now

Where are the Amendments?
Soetoro adoption, Name Change.

With this clever move, asking further question will make us look like nit-picking racists. Clever indeed.

21 posted on 04/27/2011 11:03:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
I don't know... I have my suspicions about this document.
See line 23,"Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration"


22 posted on 04/27/2011 11:04:27 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (I need a new tagline...)
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To: illiac

10.2% Yes. It is irrefutable proof he was born in Hawaii.
4,808 votes
34% No. There will always be doubt in my mind.
15,951 votes
55.8% I never questioned his citizenship in the first place.
26,175 votes


23 posted on 04/27/2011 11:05:53 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: illiac

What a crappy poll that was.It locks you into three stupid choices.
But then what would you expect from MSnbc.


24 posted on 04/27/2011 11:05:59 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: illiac

10.2% Yes. It is irrefutable proof he was born in Hawaii.
4,808 votes
34% No. There will always be doubt in my mind.
15,951 votes
55.8% I never questioned his citizenship in the first place.
26,175 votes


25 posted on 04/27/2011 11:06:05 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: frankenMonkey

Your claim that Thomas Jefferson was an Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop Wizard certainly bears looking into. Frankly franken, I think it was Ben Franklin. He was the techie in that outfit.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 11:08:06 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: neverbluffer
A child of two American citizens who is born on U.S. soil is clearly eligible to be President; Obama sr was in Hawaii on a SUTDENT ...VISA My Guess is that SOROS WANTS to FOMENT a Constitutional CRISIS
27 posted on 04/27/2011 11:12:11 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey
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To: illiac
Now that you've seen Obama's long-form birth certificate, are you convinced he's U.S. a citizen?

Not No, but Hell No!

28 posted on 04/27/2011 11:14:12 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Some other questions (from WND):

Punahou school records
Occidental College records
Harvard Law School records
Harvard Law Review articles
University of Chicago articles
Passport
Medical records
Files from his years as an Illinois state senator
Illinois State Bar Association records
Baptism records
Adoption records


29 posted on 04/27/2011 11:15:11 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Kenny Bunk

Why do you assume he was adopted in Hawaii? Wouldn’t he have been adopted in Indonesia? Why would Hawaii care?

For that matter, where is the evidence that he was even adopted at all? Not all step fathers adopted their step children.


30 posted on 04/27/2011 11:27:36 AM PDT by Coyotehockey
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To: illiac

F NO.


31 posted on 04/27/2011 11:44:20 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: illiac

Anyone else notice the comments section at the MSNBC site has big block letters? It further highlights moonbats’ monosyllabic rants.


32 posted on 04/27/2011 11:58:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: illiac

I’ve never doubted that he’s a U.S. citizen.

But get back to me when someone can cite an official definition of “natural born citizen” set out by the Constitution, Congress or the Supreme Court.


33 posted on 04/27/2011 1:06:34 PM PDT by fightinJAG (I am sick of people adding their comments to titles in the title box. Thank you.)
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To: Coyotehockey
Why do you assume he was adopted in Hawaii?
Wouldn’t he have been adopted in Indonesia?
Why would Hawaii care?
For that matter, where is the evidence that he was even adopted at all?

Excellent questions. The discussions about legitimacy, transparency, genealogy, who's married to whom, and when, etc have now gone on for 4 or 5 years. Many of the original source and documentation have now been quite thoroughly scrubbed and are no longer available. In the meantime, as you have noticed, the discussions, failing the appearance of any authority to winnow the "wheat from the chaff" have turned in upon themselves and become convoluted.

This of course, has worked tremendously to the advantage of Team Obama, and it has worked through fair means and foul, to encourage the confusion, mis-information, dis-information, and improbable scenarios.

The real question you have is,
"Why doesn't Obama just tell everyone the straight story?"
"This is my name-change history."
"Here's how I visited Pakistan and what passports I held."
"This is when I met Bill Ayers."
"Lolo Soetoro adopted/did not adopt me."

This is my birth certificate. It doe/does not have any amendment because I was/was not adopted by Lolo Soetoro.
I used/ never used the name 'Barry Soetoro' in the US.
I used/did not use other names.
Here is why I have that SS#.
This is information those who ask nicely should have from any candidate... especially one of rather improbable provenance!

In re your original question to me: Some 2 or 3 years ago .... I believe ... documentary evidence was obtained in Hawaii that the BC had been amended, the timing indicating that the child had been adopted by Lolo Soetoro at the time of his marriage in Hawaii in 1965 to Stanley Ann and the original sealed. The original documents were not forthcoming, but the Indices were. They did not correlate to later releases of Indices, and now the records are, contrary to Hawaiian Law, not being made available.

But all of this is smoke and mirror. The real issue is the issue of "Natural Born Citizenship," and its definition in regard to candidates by referring to the intent of the founders. I do not believe it will be handled in regard to Barack Obama ... or perhaps now that certain elements on the right are pushing the candidacy of Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal, it will never be handled at all.

The time for this fight was in 2007 and 2008. Wisely from his point of view, Obama intends, by selectively releasing information. Instead of answering the questions, he will keep the rumble going past 2012 as a means of discrediting his opposition (such as it i).

34 posted on 04/27/2011 1:08:13 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: illiac; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
A phony poll. Schwarzneggar is a US citizen. Is he elgible to be President?

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

35 posted on 04/27/2011 1:59:57 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: packman
I want to know if he ever received any funds for school by applying as a ‘foreign’ student. Also, what country's passport did he travel to Pakistan on?
36 posted on 04/27/2011 2:12:23 PM PDT by JPG ("Mr. President, GAME ON." - Sarah Palin)
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To: JPG

I think those are really the issues.


37 posted on 04/27/2011 4:33:28 PM PDT by packman
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To: Coyotehockey

For that matter, where is the evidence that he was even adopted at all? Not all step fathers adopted their step children.
______________________

Why don’t you explain to us why he was registered in school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro and why he used that name for several years while over there. Also explain why he signed documents that said he has never used any other names or alias’s.


38 posted on 04/28/2011 10:11:01 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: mojitojoe

Because he was a 6 year old kid who did what his parents told him to do? Still no proof of adoption.

And if there was a adoption, it would have been in Indonesia, not Hawaii. Hawaii would not have been aware of it and so his legal name in America would have never changed.


39 posted on 04/28/2011 10:55:43 AM PDT by Coyotehockey
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