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Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'
TPMMuckraker ^ | 4/27/2011 | Ryan J. Reilly

Posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:31 AM PDT by jdoug666

"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."

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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
Anyway, isn't the point of this country that it doesn't matter who your parents are? All men created equal, etc. etc.

The point of this Country is it was established with a Constitution that secures our individual freedom, and protects us from a federal government that denies the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution.

Every military person, Congressman, Senator or any other fed feeding at the public trough, swears to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Why do we not want to defend the Constitution?

51 posted on 04/27/2011 11:40:56 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: ChurtleDawg
They would not have done something as stupid as writing “african” in the box if they were forging it.

Strangely they had African in the first forgery, must be stuck with it, were they lying then or are they lying now. :)

52 posted on 04/27/2011 11:43:00 AM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Isn’t Trump’s mother Scottish? Is he qualified?

He mother became a citizen before he was born, therefore he is a NBC.

53 posted on 04/27/2011 11:50:15 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: gwilhelm56

Actually, the Lee name was listed as the Local Registrar on Obama’s certificate. However, on the Nordyke twins certificate, the Local Registrar was someone different. Obama and the Nordykes were born 7 days apart. I can’t imagine (but, I’m speculating) that Honolulu had more than one Local Registrar.


54 posted on 04/27/2011 11:50:55 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: jdoug666

She may be right, but we don’t need a nutcase like her bringing it up and tarnishing the TEA Party.


55 posted on 04/27/2011 11:54:14 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: itsahoot

I don’t see it as a big deal. BO Sr. wasn’t simply black like nearly all of the blacks in the country at the time, i.e., descendants of American slaves taken from western Africa, who spoke English and lived an American lifestyle. BO Sr.’s physical features were very different from most American blacks, he must have spoken English with a strong accent, and was known to be a transfer student from Africa. I can see a clerk making that distinction by stating “African,” even where the typical entry would have been Negro, black or whatever.


56 posted on 04/27/2011 11:56:44 AM PDT by DryFly
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To: gwilhelm56
This will just fuel the fire...

father’s race .. AFRICAN???

dr.s name ... U.K. leLee (ukulele)???

*******

I think the local registrar's name is Lee, not the doctor's name.

Doctor's name: I can't read his handwriting. Can anyone make it out what the doctor's name is? Thanks.

57 posted on 04/27/2011 11:58:03 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: King Hawk

Africans are of many races, Negro, Pigmy, Caucasians of various varieties.

See:
The Races of Humanity, by Richard McCulloch

http://www.racialcompact.com/racesofhumanity.html

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA GROUP
I. Capoid or Khoisanid Subspecies of southern Africa

A. Khoid (Hottentot) race
B. Sanid (Bushmen) race

II. Congoid Subspecies of sub-Saharan Africa

A. Central Congoid race (Geographic center and origin in the Congo river basin)

1. Palaecongoid subrace (the Congo river basin: Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Congo, Angola)
2. Sudanid subrace (western Africa: Niger, Mali, Senegal, Guinea)
3. Nilotid subrace (southern Sudan; the ancient Nubians were of this subrace)
4. Kafrid or Bantid subrace (east and south Africa: Kenya, Tanzania, Mozambique, Natal)

B. Bambutid race (African Pygmies)
C. Aethiopid race (Ethiopia, Somalia; hybridized with Caucasoids)

III. Caucasoid or Europid Subspecies
F. Mediterranid racial group

1. Orientalid or Arabid subrace (predominant in Arabia, major element from Egypt to Syria, primary in northern Sudan, important in Iraq, predominant element among the Oriental Jews)
2. South Mediterranean or Saharid subrace (predominant in Algeria and Libya, important in Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, primary element among the Sephardic Jews, common element [circa 20-25%] in Spain, Sicily and southern Italy, minor element [circa 5%] in Greece)


58 posted on 04/27/2011 11:58:48 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!")
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To: TexasCajun

As I posted on another Thread:

“If I Zoom in on the area of the document with the signatures, the signatures pop up first and then the printed or typed text shows up later. Try it!

I’m no expert on PDF files, but there is no way this would happen if the document was scanned then saved as a PDF. The signatures have to be on a different layer. One or the other (or both) were created separately. Something fishy here!

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/acrobat/articles/lrvid4082_a9.html

AND

“Also, in Block 20, the last numeral “1” in “1961” appears much sooner than the rest of the date.

Even more strange is that in Block 18a, “Ann D” appears sooner than the “unham” part of the signature.

The more I look at the PDF the more it seems that whoever made it left LOTS of clues that it is a creation rather than a simple photocopy of a real Birth Certificate bound in a folder in the archives in Hawaii.

In Block 6c the capital “I” in Institution is sans serif. Everything else is in a serif font.

In Block 18a pixelation on the “unham” portion of the signature is much smaller than that on the “D”.

It looks like you have a full copy of Adobe Acrobat. Can you dissect this thing?


59 posted on 04/27/2011 12:03:44 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!")
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To: ChurtleDawg

“They would not have done something as stupid as writing “african” in the box if they were forging it.”

They had to match what was on the previously released short form BC. If they didn’t, one or the other would have to be obviously fake. They had to match up the info.


60 posted on 04/27/2011 12:07:08 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: jdoug666
Boy is this gal ever Mayor of Crazytown.

Did she, amid her fervor and frenzy, miss that the COLB said the exact same thing as the “long form”.

That would be surprising to a grand total of NOBODY with a brain - as the info on the COLB would be taken from the “long form”.

61 posted on 04/27/2011 12:10:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: jdoug666

In those days, “Negro” meant a US-born citizen of African descent. An African-born man who did not want to be confused with American blacks would have been explicit about putting down “African”.


62 posted on 04/27/2011 12:13:45 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Elizabeth Speer (Buchanan’s mother): Born on 17 Mar 1767 in Adams County, Pennsylvania. Elizabeth Speer Buchanan was made a U.S. citizen upon founding of the United States of America. Therefore, Buchanan’s mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.

Andrew Jackson and both parents ‘grandfathered’ under Article 1, Section 2, clause 5 (’presidential eligibility’) because born ‘jus soli’ prior to adoption of the U.S. Constitution.

Jessie Janet Woodrow (b. 1826 in England) was a naturalized U.S. citizen upon marriage to Wilson’s father, Joseph Ruggles Wilson, born in Ohio in 1822. Her citizenship pre-dates Wilson’s birth.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S FATHER WAS A KENYAN NATIONAL IN THE UNITED STATES ON A TEMPORARY STUDENT VISA - UNDISPUTED FACT AND IN VIOLATION OF THE NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP REQUIREMENT FOR U.S. PRESIDENTS!


63 posted on 04/27/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by jdoug666 (KENYAN OBAMA)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

There must have been someone born in Hawaii in ‘61 with negro on the certificate.


That’s why it took them over 2 years to disclose his fake birth COLB. It took all of that time to change all of the birth certificates from “Negro” to “African.”

They must have been the first to utilize Political Correctness in the United States!

/sarc


64 posted on 04/27/2011 12:18:12 PM PDT by DH (48th TFW, A&E Lakenheath England, 67-70)
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To: jdoug666

The simple way to prove that the word “African” was added is to offer a reward to any Black person who was born in Hawaii in 1961-1962 to bring forth their original birth certificate and show whether it had “African” rather than “Negro” on it.

I’m absolutely sure that it would take about 24 hours to prove the point.


65 posted on 04/27/2011 12:28:00 PM PDT by DH (48th TFW, A&E Lakenheath England, 67-70)
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To: King Hawk

Not all Africans are “negro” as the term was used to indicate race in that time period. A 1971 era college course used a textbook on “Black African History” for “Black American Studies” which described the history of the Continent. It noted how North Africa and East Africa were principally populated by racial and ethnic groups which were not “negroid” in race or culture. Instead, they tended to be so-called Caucasian groups: Italic, Norman, Arabic, Semitic, and so forth. This textbook described the expansion of the Ibo tribes from the area of the Congo in Central Africa about 500-600 years ago when the development of genetic sickle cell anemia among the Ibo favored survival and rapid population expansion out of Central Africa and into the areas of East Africa and South Africa.

Africa is and always has been the home of a diverse range of so-called races. Descibing Obama as African in race is even less accurate than describing him as modern North American in race. The U.S. Census provides a typical example of how the terminology for race was in use in 1950 and 1960:

The 1950 census was the first to use the term “race” as the sole descriptor. “Race” appeared in the census for the first time in 1900 as part of the category “color or race”—terminology that continued through 1940. The 1950 census specified seven races: White, Negro, American Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, and Other race (spell out).
[….]
In 1960 the term “race” disappeared from the census and was replaced by “Is this person - White, Negro, American Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian, Part Hawaiian, Aleut, Eskimo, (etc.)?”
[….]
Looking in the Cultural Mirror: How understanding race and culture helps us answer the question: “Who am I?” by Jefferson Fish, Ph.D. The Census and Race—Part IV— Civil Rights and the Cold War (1950-1980)What is special about the census categories White, Japanese, and Chinese? Published on July 27, 2010 .
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201007/the-census-and-race-part-iv-civil-rights-and-the-cold-war


66 posted on 04/27/2011 12:31:47 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: itsahoot

Someone gave a very logical explanation for the use of African on one of the other threads this morning. I’ve been trying to find it but can’t. Hawaii said they use whatever the parents tell them - there were several classifications for race that were in use in KENYA, and African was one of them. If that’s the way O Sr. self-identified it’s more than likely that’s what they were told and why they used it.


67 posted on 04/27/2011 12:31:53 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Regulator

...that might have even been regional. I never heard the classification “African” for blacks until the early 1990’s. I was quite well read, culturally sharp and lived different places within New York State.


68 posted on 04/27/2011 12:39:22 PM PDT by JKeats (Beck)
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1. Since he actually was an African, they may have called him that to separate him from American blacks. Ironically, it may have been their conscious or unconscious way of treating a foreigner.

2. People have to be realistic about the “natural born citizen” having to have two citizen parents thing. Whichever way you come down on that, can you really see five supreme court justices ruling that Obama is not “natural born”?

All four of the liberals would vote for him, & I would be shocked if A. Kennedy didn’t too. In fact I see it being a 9-0 or 8-1 ruling that he was natural born...that’s if they even took the case.


69 posted on 04/27/2011 12:39:48 PM PDT by trickamsterdam
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To: King Hawk

This is a good point which I had not thought of.


70 posted on 04/27/2011 12:39:58 PM PDT by JKeats (Beck)
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To: neverbluffer
all persons born in US may be citizens, but not natural born...

People need to start educating themselves and stop spewing stuff you hear on tv..

You'll need to start with John Roberts, who swore him in twice, having full knowledge of his parentage. GFL!

71 posted on 04/27/2011 12:43:28 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: biggredd1

What box do Egyptians check?


72 posted on 04/27/2011 12:46:42 PM PDT by bagman
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To: republicanbred; Windflier

Exactly!!!


73 posted on 04/27/2011 12:48:49 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: smalltownslick
Someone gave a very logical explanation for the use of African on one of the other threads this morning. I’ve been trying to find it but can’t. Hawaii said they use whatever the parents tell them - there were several classifications for race that were in use in KENYA, and African was one of them. If that’s the way O Sr. self-identified it’s more than likely that’s what they were told and why they used it.

That in itself raises some rather interesting questions. First, it should be noted that Hawaii and Alaska tended to use race as a classification ways generally not found in the other states. That said, you have to ask who supplied the information which went into the blank space for race? Was it the family, or was it the attending physician or another official?

If the person who supplied the information was an attending physician or other official, it would appear they would be ignorant of a customary Kenyan usage of the African term as a descriptor for race.

If the father was not present at the birth, it is also a stretch of the imagination that any member of the Dunham family or the mother would be acquainted with the Kenyan usage of the term, especially since the mother was supposed to be studying anthropology as a career choice. Now, that is not to say it is impossible, but it does appear to be implausible at first glance.

If the current Certificate of Live Birth and the previous Certification of Live Birth were forgeries, and/or they were based upon a fraudulent birth registration filed by the grandmother to conceal birth in a foreign nation, it seems unlikely the grandmother and her family would be acquainted with the usage of the term used by the Obama family in Kenya. Again, it is not impossible, but it is implausible enough to warrant attention.

74 posted on 04/27/2011 12:53:49 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

There is a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is born on US soil by two parents who are US citizens or natural born citizens themselves.

A US citizen can be:

- naturalized or made into a citizen (legal aliens)
- born on US soil
- born of just one US parent/one foreigner on US soil
- born of one US parent/one naturalized parent on foreign soil

The age of the mother at the time of the birth counts as well when the formula is being calculated.

It’s easy to be a citizen, but there is only one way one can be a NBC.

As I explained on another thread:

Although my husband and I are NBC’s, my son is not. He was born in a German hospital. It was explained to us, in detail, when my son was born that he was a US Citizen, but NOT natural born and the only stipulation of his citizen status was that he could never be POTUS.

McCain had a similar issue, BUT he was born in a US hospital on a US base which was classified as US soil in a foreign country. That is the difference between him and my son. HE WAS BORN ON US CLAIMED SOIL. And no, not every baby born in a military hospital in a foreign country is in the same boat. In some places, the US rents the land from the foreign government and it is not US soil. It’s technical and legal and only come up when someone is trying to be POTUS.

For this reason, I think that it’s terribly unjust for military families to sacrifice so much for their country, only to have this over their heads, but I do accept the limitation. It is the Law. Period.

The president must respect the Constitution and the Law.

If Obama was born of a US mother, he is a citizen. Not a problem. But he cannot be a NBC just because his did is not.

Now there is some question about this regarding a woman having a baby with a foreigner on US soil and that’s when the age of the mom comes into question. (I believe that she has to have been an adult US citizen for 4 years before the birth for it to count, but don’t quote me on that. I’m sure there are other FReepers who can deal with that point better than I.) But a SCOTUS decision makes that issue moot. It ruled that a NBC must have both mom and dad as US citizens and be born on US soil years ago.

The whole birth certificate issue is weird to me for this very reason. The paper itself was never the real issue. We *know* he’s not a NBC because of his dad.

So what’s the real reason he’s worked so hard not to debunk this crap? Is it because he wasn’t born here (as many birthers suspect) and that would completely invalidate his position without question? Is it because the BC reveals something that would destroy his reputation or cause embarrassment? What the heck is going on with this guy??


75 posted on 04/27/2011 12:57:14 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: jdoug666

Thank God for fighters like Orly Taitz! She is brilliant and patriotic - more than I can say for many of the obvious obots that visit - and she won’t let us down.

As for anyone who believes this second document is anything but a forgery, some choice words:

gullible
naive
green (dark green)
fleeceable
naif
sucker
credulous
easily taken in
easy mark
falling hook, line, and sinker
foolish
kidding one’s self
naivete
easily deceived, tricked, or duped

Birthers are not going to give up, especially with Obama now on the ropes. He’s just given a very weak left jab, but it is a mere gesture as he takes one last look around, before crawling off the canvas...


76 posted on 04/27/2011 1:13:07 PM PDT by PsiChi (Karl would give us four more years of Obama to get Jeb in 2016!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Here is an analysis:

http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103

Obama’s Birth Certificate, Dissected
April 27, 2011
By Bryan Keith Nixon

I AM NOT A BIRTHER! But this one is too interesting to ignore. Upon hearing all the fuss about the newly released Certificate of Live Birth, I decided to open it up in Adobe Illustrator and see just what we were given by the White House. Judge for yourself.


77 posted on 04/27/2011 1:14:19 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!")
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To: trickamsterdam; 50mm

trickamsterdam
Since Apr 27, 2011

Welcome to FR!! Lots of n00bs on FR today.


78 posted on 04/27/2011 1:15:19 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The American taxpayer cannot support the tax and spend habits of DC.)
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To: bagman

Even better: what box do Boers check?


79 posted on 04/27/2011 1:47:31 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: PapaBear3625

>>In those days, “Negro” meant a US-born citizen of African descent. An African-born man who did not want to be confused with American blacks would have been explicit about putting down “African”.<<

And the White man born in Africa would have put down “African” too, I suppose?


80 posted on 04/27/2011 9:25:14 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: jdoug666

Hulda Minthorn Hoover (Canadian citizen) married Jesse Hoover in 1870. The marriage made her a naturalized U.S. citizen. Herbert Hoover was born in California in 1874.


81 posted on 04/27/2011 11:47:27 PM PDT by jdoug666 (KENYAN OBAMA)
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