Posted on 04/27/2011 7:25:39 PM PDT by westcoastwillieg
Time to turn to the real issue, 'Does Obama qualify as ‘natural-born'?
The issue with Obama’s eligibility not only involves his place of birth but also whether he qualifies as a 'natural-born-citizen'.
After Obama played his 'Trump' card his supporters are trying to divert voters away from the 'natural-born' issue and obfuscate the definition of 'natural-born'.
It is generally believed the Founders considered 'natural-born' to mean born in country to parents who were citizens at the time of the person's birth.
As Holmes said to Watson, "The game is afoot." Attempts have already been made to use 'native-born' interchangeably with 'natural-born' and, as yet, there is no Supreme Court decision nor does the constitution define 'natural-born'.
While Obama has shown his birth certificate it proves that his father was not a citizen but the jury hasn't decided if he qualifies as 'natural-born'.
>>> IF Obama is natural born, so is the son of SADDAM HUSSEIN, born of an American mother!
A dumb non-sequitor unless the son of SADDAM HUSSEIN born in Hawaii or another US state. That’s the issue, and it appears to be now settled. Just as Bachmann, Coulter, Rove, and Krauthammer warned us.
It’s retarded to be picking at it now when there are mountains of genuine issues to beat Obama in 2012.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results — Albert Einstein
Also, suppose Obama Sr. became a U.S. citizen prior to Obama Jr’s birth, but did not renounce Kenyan/UK citizenship. By your logic, Obama would still fail to qualify as a natural born citizen, despite being born to two U.S. citizen parents, because one of his parents would have owed allegiance to a foreign country (as well as owing allegiance to the U.S.). Do you mean to argue that the child of a dual-citizen cannot be a natural born citizen? If not, why not?
Finally, suppose the identity and/or citizenship of a child’s parent is unknown (an unfortunately common occurrence nowadays) - is that child not a natural born citizen?
I am somewhat limited in my skills, but could you do me a favor and forward your posting to Sean Hannity...He is blind to this and insulted 2 callers and me today with his blow off of what you have presented here. Thanks!
I am somewhat limited in my skills, but could you do me a favor and forward your posting to Sean Hannity...He is blind to this and insulted 2 callers and me today with his blow off of what you have presented here. Thanks!
Because the whole point of the NBC clause is to assure that the president is loyal only to the United States. The framers were smart enough to know that a child gets his or her values from their parents and thus the requirement that they must be American citizens.
Do you really think that the founders intended for a person whos mother made it anywhere to American soil just as the baby was born is qualified to be president? Even though the mother and father could be died in the wool communists loyal to an enemy of the United States? I don’t think so.
This issue must be decided by the supreme court. Let the court cases begin !! No way for the courts to dodge the issue on standing. SCOTUS had better get warmed up.
+1!
Actually, the time to turn to that issue was three years ago, when Premier Hussein first proposed running for office.
And the answer is clearly, “No!”
When Obama went to Indonesia did he not become a citizen of that country? If so he could not have dual citizenship under US law and would have relinquished US citizenship by default. Then did he ever re-apply for Us citizenship? Still a lot of questions to be answered.
Focusing on this birth certificate issue will be nothing but a distraction...and will NEVER NEVER NEVER lead to getting this guy out of office. Should it? Probably. But it NEVER WILL. It is a LOSER issue. The average American has the attention span of a gnat and will not follow the argument.
You can be right as rain...but if you are not focusing on an issue that the people care about...they will tun you out...and 1) stay home in 2012...or 2) Vote for BHO again.
Doubt me? Let the GOP keep this up and BHO will walk into another term with ease. There is a smart way to fight a war...and a dumb way...and this is the dumb way. HEck...if I was BHO...I would have NOT released my long form BC. I would have PRAYED for a birther to get the GOP nomination then rope-a-doped him into this being the main issue. Then...2 weeks out...BAM.
Again....this is a loser issue. You might get worked up about it...but it will NEVER get BHO out of office. NEVER. What will is revealing what he has done to this country...and you can't do both...the American Public doesn't have the capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time anymore ;-)
I didn’t say that. In fact I didn’t say anything about mixed heritage. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.
The US allows for dual citizenship. Indonesia does not. I would think that someone with dual citizenship would not be eligible to run for POTUS for obvious reasons
See #26
I did not say anything about mixed heritage, I said mixed parentage. In other words, if someone has a U.S. citizen mother and, say, a Canadian citizen father, your logic would hold that the person is not a natural-born U.S. citizen (because of the Canadian father), and that the person is not a natural-born Canadian citizen (because of the American mother).
That being said it's irrelevant as Obamas's father was NOT a US citizen.
It isn’t ‘my logic’. It is what is in the congressional record. If you don’t like it, change it.
Here is my question for the sake of comparisons: My DH’s parents were born in Mexico, one in 1906 and the other in 1910. They came here in about 1923 to escape the revolutions going on in Mexico. They did not know each other until later. They were from different states in Mexico. They married in the US and had 10 kids, 2 of whom served in the military and retired from the military. Neither of them became US Citizens, but did hold the green card and paid taxes and lived by the laws of the nation. The kids were educated in CA and by order of their parents were to speak English at school and Spanish at home.
I contend my husband and his siblings are native born citizens but not natural born citizens. What say the experts on the subject? Am I right or wrong?
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