Posted on 04/29/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Instead of spending another day immersed in Middle Eastern names, culture, religion, death and destruction, the world was treated to western culture, etiquette and a Christian gathering in the House of the Lord, to celebrate the marriage of a man and a woman who love one another.
It was a beautiful ceremony, in a beautiful setting.
It was uplifting. It was a happy, joyous day.
I wish the newlyweds a loving and productive life.
Queen Elizabeth can take a bow now that the British royal family will be in good hands after she's gone.
morning = mourning
I hope Elton John, in his state of unrepentant sin, does not consider himself a Christian/Anglican because he was sure singing up a storm with his husband. The hypocrisy of it all knows no bounds... (To borrow a line)
I only throws stones who openly flaunt God’s laws while considering him/herself virtuous under the law.
The level of sexual obsession about Kate Middleton I’ve seen on FR the last couple of days is stunning.
I am not an Anglophile, because I don’t think English is a prerequisite for Western civilization, but what they did, particularly by summoning up earlier Christian examples (for example, St Catherine of Siena), was to remind us all that Western Culture is something built on huge, deep sources.
Christianity originated in the Middle East and passed through Rome; many Jews were already Hellenicized (Greek influenced), and the Greek contribution to Christian thought was very strong. Catholic tradition holds that the various Apostles went out to different places (St. James the Greater to Spain, St Thomas to India, etc.). It is known that the only one who died a natural death, that is, not as a martyr, was St John the Evangelist.
Did you notice the Indians at this event? Kate invited the Indians who ran her local grocery to this. I loved them; they were smart and tasteful and on the same wavelength.
Judeo-Christian-Greco-Roman culture may be a mouthful, but that’s what we’re seeing whenever there is a purely traditional event in any country, be it Britain, Spain, or - well, I was going to say the US, but I don’t think we do those here anymore.
I find it a rather sad show put on by a dieing country
Its the hypocrisy. the hypocrisy of our society today...nothing personal ..they are just typical of our generation.
There were a few male Muslims with the Arab headgear on at the back of the Abbey. The Sultan of Dubai has a major role in British and American racing, and is received everywhere in the UK and the US, so one of them might have been him.
i think that a church wedding is appropriate if they have said they want to make a new start...its the charade at such a huge scale that gets to me.
and god forbid if you say that shacking up for 8 yrs and then doing this multi media, international event is hypocrisy..
that is very well said, I feel the same way about the couple.
..I think it is the “travesty” of our society that this wedding was on such a grand scale..
I don’t”forgive them”...that is not up to me, that is between them and thier God and their pastor. I do “judge “ those who made this such a farce on such a multi media scale, including the clergy...
well said.
Seeing a western country celebrate their traditions etc was great. It brings pride back into any country when this is done and obviously the lefty loons will not like that.
So what did you expect them to do after eight years of living together? Break up? Sneak off and have a wedding ceremony performed in a civil records office? Become a nun and a priest? Commit suicide? No, they made it right as soon as she could talk him into it; they did their duty in providing the British people with a spectacular event that has revived Britain’s flagging national spirit and sense of identity.
I’m sure you went to your marriage bed a virgin, which is commendable. But Christ forgave the adulteress, who had done something far worse than having sex before marriage, and He said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” How about a little more forgiveness and a little less Pharisaical condemnation, unless you really are, like Him, entirely without sin? God don’t like ugly, and your spitefulness is ugly indeed.
really.
I’d prefer my kids to live with their spouse before they’re married.
I’d hate to see my daughter marry and then find out her husband is a wife beater or has a bad temper, lay about, useless etc.
Same for my boys, I;’d hate to them to find out who they’re married to after they’re married
they’re idiots like their mother
Correct, they only righteous recourse is to marry, we do not know what is in the heart. By proclaiming their vows in public covers their past...
Its not about whether God is forgiving, of course God is forgiving. And I wish the couple well and hope their marriage includes God. The shacking up sure did not include God.
Both the diana craziness and THIS craziness is nothing more than a multi media spectacle. Well, now, young women and men once again have been acknowledged that what you do before marraige, has NOTHING to do with marriage. Great message that has been blasted all day...”Oh, every girl’s dream! Oh every girl wants a fairy tale!”
Yup, we got a multi media fairy tale.
Didn't St. John die on a Penal Colony on Patmos though?
You are correct, we get our philosophy from Greece, our System of government from Rome, our Morality from Christianity, and our Law from the Torah ( Parts of the Constitution are plucked right out of Deuteronomy)
I have always said that the one thing America has truly lost is an overriding culture, the Fourth of July, Memorial Day, and Veterans Day still come Oh so close, but we have lost it, that is the Role the Monarchy plays in the UK, the present the people with a place to unite in their "Britishness"
How kind of you....why not just visciously attack the messenger.
I have never attacked the couple... I wish them well, yes, no one is “perfect” AND yes, its good they got married.
I am attacking the message that this over the top multi media fantasy spectacle that the British monarchy did for its hypocrisy .
I understand that in the past few weeks they had to receive instruction in faith from the Archbishop and Catherine went through a confirmation ceremony several days ago. Quite apart from that, William is going to be a head of state, so he owes it to his people and history to have a wedding ceremony according to prescribed forms.
I’m not claiming that they repented of any sins they’ve committed; I don’t know them and don’t know what’s in their hearts. But I can’t find anyplace in the Bible that says that only virgins can get married. And I know, too, that sexual sin is not the worst sin; the worst sin is the sin of Satan: pride.
Interesting - I just read that only the conservative PMs (Thatcher, Major, and Cameron) were invited - the Labour PMs (Blair, Brown) did not receive invitations.
I appreciate your comments! Thanks! I’d rather hear it from an Englishman about his country than an American. I didn’t pay any mind to Shep Smith, just enjoyed our cousins across the pond! (Part English myself wayyyyy back down the line! LOL)
A bunch of inbred German welfare cases who live in the nicest public housing, courtesy of the British taxpayer.
You don’t have to live together to know your spouse before you marry them. That’s ridiculous.
Ours could only watch online...
my view you do but obviously you don’t and that’s fine.
I would rather see my kids live with their future spouse and know how they will live with , how they live, are they lazy, scruffy etc but each to their own
All I've heard is snide comments from the media about the "spectacle"...the Leftist msm does not like this story and it is they who "hyped" it and then it was they who asked, "are you sick of the hype and spectacle yet?"
I watched it this morning and realized that we never see this any more, the ceremony and our wonderful western culture being aired for millions to see. I felt a wonderful wave come over me of something familiar, a part of my heritage that has been systematically taken from me.
All our institutions are under attack by the Left. The more they're pealed away the more base our culture has become.
We need to see more western culture on display, warts and all, because it's a darn sight better than the 24/7 rot that fills 200-300 channels. And it's a step back in the right direction.
well I’m glad I never sent you to sleep EEK.
from there and here.
You got the best two in the world then but it is a shame this clown in power is not helping with relations, thankfully the majority on both sides have more brains than the muppet in the white house and we still have special connections, history etc
I have no sexual obsession about Kate Middleton.
I do think it is very hypocritical for someone who is unrepentant about shacking up for 8 years to want.have a church wedding.
” 9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” - 1 Cor 5
When someone wants to enter what is supposedly a Christian church and receive the church’s approval for their wedding, then it is appropriate to tell them that shacking up - fornication - is wrong, and that they need to repent.
14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, 15and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” - Mark 1
Repent. A good word, necessary to Christianity.
“I’d prefer my kids to live with their spouse before they’re married.”
You are welcome to want that, but it isn’t in line with Christianity. Jesus didn’t say, “Go, and sin at will...”
Blair and Brown are known to be “Republicans”.
I honestly do understand as to what you’re saying but if my kids go by your view or mine I would ave no problem but like I said each to their own.
> You left out “nor Christian”
Indeed!!
Thank you for the correction. Of all, this one is *MOST* important, as the others are meaningless without it.
You have made some excellant points and I appreciate your articulate post.
I agree with much of what you have presented here. Thank you for taking the time to offer me your reasoned and thoughtful response.
Thank you for taking the time to respond with such a reasoned, articulate and scriptural response to this situation.
You presented the concerns I also had in a much more calm and patient manner than I have done. I guess I get upset , not because people are imperfect ( whoa...me included,ha.), but because we give out a message that seems contradictory to what we talk about committment.
There’s a difference between attacking someone and pointing out some errors in his theology or philosophy.
In case you missed it, let me revisit an important point in my post. For many years the British people have been ground down by socialism, Marxism, multiculturalism. They are struggling financially, and they are being destroyed by out-of-control Muslims and a white and black underclass that dwarfs ours. Their kids aren’t taught British history and conditions are so bad that 250000 Britons emigrate every year. Too many of them have lost religious faith; going to church is no longer cool.
So a ceremony like this one is absolutely invaluable. It brings the British people together in joy and national solidarity. It makes them realize that they have a noble heritage of history, art, architecture, music, language, law, and almost every other human pursuit. It reminds them that they a great deal to be proud of, and stiffens their collective spine so that they might be able to stand up to aggressors just a little bit better.
Whether the royal couple deserve it, the fact that they were on their knees in Westminster Abbey in front of two billion people is an important signal to Britain and to the world. That’s not hypocrisy, and it’s not self-glorification; it’s a crucial duty of the British monarchy in restoring their nation’s former strength.
Re the photo caption thread: I guess telling women they need horse dentistry IS in line with your brand of Christianity?
Hypocrisy, thy name is Mr. Rogers?
Baloney. It's her lack of virginity that galls you.
Beautifully said, thank you.
I did feel attacked...personally with such comments as “God don’t like ugly, and your spitefulness is ugly indeed.”
However, Thank you for taking the time now and making the effort to respond to me with your articulate and very well presented post here.
You have made excellant points, and I agree with you on many of your points. I have reflected on what you present, and see your perspective. You have presented another way for me to view this drama today. thank you.
"Baloney. It's her lack of virginity that galls you. "
No, I dislike her hypocrisy, along with the hypocrisy of the prince, and the entire royal family and the Anglican church. If someone is interested in living with unrepentant sin, and boasting of their sin, then they shouldn't be married in a Christian church. For the record, I also oppose homosexuals getting married in the church.
While I'm not here to defend the Episcopal Church I assume you are unfamiliar with Rite 1 used during the period of Lent:
Almighty God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
maker of all things, judge of all men:, We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins, and wickedness,
which we from time to time most grievously have committed, by thought, word, and deed, against thy divine Majesty, provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us.
We do earnestly repent, and are heartily sorry for these our misdoings;
the remembrance of them is grievous unto us, the burden of them is intolerable.
Have mercy upon us, have mercy upon us, most merciful Father;
for thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ's sake, forgive us all that is past;
and grant that we may ever hereafter serve and please thee in newness of life,
to the honor and glory of thy Name; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
Assuming they went to church during Lent which I believe they did I think there may have been some repenting going on.
You might also ponder on John 8:7
“You might also ponder on John 8:7”
How about pondering it in context...
“7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”
Not, “Go and sin at will, for who can condemn you?” The couple very publicly shacked up for 8 years, and have not indicated in any way that they have repented of doing so. Western civilization was not built on shacking up. Suppose Kate got fat 4 years ago, or came down with a serious disease - do you think she would still be getting married today?
Not obsessed with Kate’s virginity? You’ve yet once to mention the fact that William, too, was “shacking up.”
Give it a rest. They, like we all, are imperfect. Today they improved themselves. Let’s pray they will succeed at the wonderful, complex, beautiful, tumultous joy that is marriage.
I see, I was unaware that you had been taken into God's confidence in this matter.
I have previously defended the conservative viewpoint from Leftists/Statists etc etc from charges of Sanctimony
On both these counts I stand corrected.
I’m sorry I made you feel attacked. That was not charitable of me and I sincerely ask your forgiveness. Glad to see we have learned from each other. Have a blessed weekend.
I’m not going to get on the sanctimonious soapbox others have ascended today, but statistically, especially for younger couples, divorce rates are higher for couples who have lived together before marriage than for those who haven’t.
Apparently, the parties are often play-acting while co-habitating outside of marriage. Then, once the union is legalized, they become ‘themselves.’ That rather upsets the ‘knowing who s/he is’ before tying the knot theory.
“You’ve yet once to mention the fact that William, too, was “shacking up.”
Did you miss post 90:
“No, I dislike her hypocrisy, along with the hypocrisy of the prince, and the entire royal family and the Anglican church.”
Post 78:
“When someone wants to enter what is supposedly a Christian church and receive the church’s approval for their wedding, then it is appropriate to tell them that shacking up - fornication - is wrong, and that they need to repent.”
Post 45:
“I refuse to go to a marriage between a couple that has been living together”
maybe my wife and I must be different after all these years because we understood each other after living together and we knew if we we could make it by understanding how we live.
did you have a sexual relationship with your wife before marriage??
I feel certain in today's generation that William and Kate most likely did enjoy a sexual relationship, they enjoyed holidays together and they spent time together while in college..that's just the way of life today and it was back in the 60’s I believe Prince Charles and the Ms. tampon had a sexual relationship while she was married to another man and the Ms.tampon made life unhappy for Lady Diana. BUT there they were together today and accepted..
and Jesus forgives every one who sins...just ask him for his forgiveness and Believe..
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