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Why did SEAL TEAM 6 get the mission, and not 1st SFOD-D?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/04/americans-yearn-talk-seals-bin-laden-raid/ ^ | 05-04-2011 | Fox News

Posted on 05/04/2011 4:26:23 PM PDT by Stayfrosty

SAN DIEGO — Patrons in bars across the country are raising toasts in the air, hoping the gesture of gratitude would somehow reach the clandestine Navy SEAL team that took down Osama bin Laden. Millions of others are turning to social networks with their thoughts.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
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Having spent 10+ years in the Army, and having some of that time spent at Fort Bragg, NC I am wondering why the PREMIER tier 1 "delta force" or now called Combat Applications Group was not selected? Can anyone explain this to me? I am wondering if the Army has gotten so PC and bureaucratic that the JSOC and CIA brass have lost confidence in the Army and Army SF.
1 posted on 05/04/2011 4:26:27 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Stayfrosty

I’ve been wondering the same thing.


2 posted on 05/04/2011 4:30:14 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: Stayfrosty

Maybe they feel one unit is more Tier-1 than the other?


3 posted on 05/04/2011 4:30:21 PM PDT by omega4179 (Thank you G W Bush for Guantanamo intel.)
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To: Stayfrosty

Because the SEALs were at Bagram?


4 posted on 05/04/2011 4:30:51 PM PDT by csmusaret (Sarah says "Drill baby drill." Obama says "Drill in Brazil.")
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To: Stayfrosty

As far as I’m concerned, we don’t need to know about the details of the special forces. No disrespect of course.


5 posted on 05/04/2011 4:31:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Stayfrosty

From what I’ve observed and read, it seems that the SEALs are the preferred unit of choice for in-and-out snatch-and-grabs like the other day, whereas Delta seems to be the unit of choice for more protracted engagements, like stalking, recon, and working with indigenous persons.


6 posted on 05/04/2011 4:31:07 PM PDT by Per-Ling
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To: Stayfrosty

Possibly they are/were engaged in something else?


7 posted on 05/04/2011 4:31:13 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Stayfrosty

Admiral Mullen?


8 posted on 05/04/2011 4:31:36 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Hope and change is share the poverty.)
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To: Stayfrosty

SEAL TEAM 6 mission or specialty is Anti-Terror. They were founded by Richard Marcinko who was also their first Commanding Officer.

Delta may already be some where else? And perhaps there is a little politics.


9 posted on 05/04/2011 4:31:48 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Stayfrosty

This will likely get pulled for your not using the WaPo title and attributing it to WaPo.


10 posted on 05/04/2011 4:32:13 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Stayfrosty

I don’t really know, but think maybe the burial at sea contingency might have tipped the scale.


11 posted on 05/04/2011 4:33:37 PM PDT by OldNewYork (What the incumbent really did just show is that he's afraid of Donald Trump)
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To: Stayfrosty

From everything I’ve heard there is no longer any “Seal Team Six.” The name of that team was retired some time back. Any similar team is kept top secret....and for GOOD reason.

Go Navy! ;-)


12 posted on 05/04/2011 4:35:17 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Stayfrosty

Good question, in fact, I thought the Delta Force was the group that carried it out.


13 posted on 05/04/2011 4:36:52 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Per-Ling

Not really... Delta is supposed to be the cream of the crop when it comes to going after the highest HVT’s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK43pDZZPVQ&feature=related


14 posted on 05/04/2011 4:36:57 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Stayfrosty
Mullen.

Did the Nightstalkers supply the ride?

If so it was “joint”.

Used to be Delta was the snatch and grab guys.

15 posted on 05/04/2011 4:37:06 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

serving dinner to Valerie Jarret?


16 posted on 05/04/2011 4:37:47 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Stayfrosty

Seal Team 6 next mission should be CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, NYT, LA Times...etc.


17 posted on 05/04/2011 4:37:49 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: depressed in 06

that thought crossed my mind.


19 posted on 05/04/2011 4:38:27 PM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: Perdogg

Delta got Zarqawi... Maybe they have first pick for Ayman Zawahiri.


20 posted on 05/04/2011 4:38:52 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: Stayfrosty

There are reports that this take-down was being exercised in a mockup of the compound both stateside & in Bagram. I have no way of knowing if that is true, but it could have a lot to do with which unit was both available & proximate to the training locations.

Another possible explanation may have to do with interoperability problems. Navy personnel, Navy ships, Naval Aviation... JSOC was formed to eliminate a lot of that, but fear of those kinds of inter-service frictions might remain.

I’m thinking that these Blackhawks (SeaHawks?) had ground logistics support. Perhaps a Navy/Marine Osprey on the ground to refuel. They might have chosen that option rather than risk air-to-air refueling being spotted on Pak radar.


21 posted on 05/04/2011 4:40:29 PM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: All

The third guy on the recently published Reuters’ photos of the inside of the campound (photos leaked by a Pakistani official) is definitely the dead body of Khaled Bin Laden, Osama’s son, that being the first visual and undeniable proof that Bin Laden was at that campound that night.

SEE THIS OTHER POST for more details :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2715062/posts?page=58#58


22 posted on 05/04/2011 4:41:10 PM PDT by drzz (I)
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To: Stayfrosty

It’s my understanding that it was a joint mission comprised of CIA, SEAL, and Delta. It was broken down to 5 elements...equipment, rear yard, front yard, house levels 1, 2, and 3. As to the SEALS getting the lead, what Branch does the Joint Chiefs of Staff represent?


23 posted on 05/04/2011 4:42:22 PM PDT by papasmurf (War is hell, but not the worst hell. Having a PRES__ENT comes close!)
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To: Stayfrosty

The SEALs have been in AfPak for a bit now, and I think their experience might make them the best trained for this type of new war.

Frankly, I have no idea, but I’m guessing that qualified people made the decision of who could best get this job done.

For all we know, DELTA was also part of the op. Perhaps they figured it would be best to tell the media it was Team 6 so that they follow that trail.

Again, who knows?


24 posted on 05/04/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Stayfrosty

Thats really a game played by amateurs,,,trying to say which is “better”. Either is very capable of doing this relatively simple mission.

Take out the fact that Osama was there, and it really was a straightforward deal. And to them, the superflous detail of his name didnt change much,,,

This question is basically like asking why F-15s are flying cover and not F-22s. Pointless to pros,,,


25 posted on 05/04/2011 4:44:18 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Not really, because SEALS, 75th RR, and 1st SFOD-D all have different skills sets and are expert primarily in certain areas. SEALS are experts at being squids, RR in light infantry tactics, and 1st SFOD-D in CT, and “snatch and grabs”.


26 posted on 05/04/2011 4:47:01 PM PDT by Stayfrosty
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To: SumProVita

“...no longer any “Seal Team Six.”

There never were any Navy Seals. They are just Delta Force with flippers.

Ask any Army vet.


27 posted on 05/04/2011 4:49:09 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Stayfrosty
Having spent 10+ years in the Army, and having some of that time spent at Fort Bragg, NC I am wondering why the PREMIER tier 1 "delta force" or now called Combat Applications Group was not selected? Can anyone explain this to me? I am wondering if the Army has gotten so PC and bureaucratic that the JSOC and CIA brass have lost confidence in the Army and Army SF.

It did not work out during training exercises.

The "burial at sea" was pre-planned. In the training exercise, the Delta Force Blackhawks delivered the team to an exact reconstruction of the hideout, they "killed" Osama, put his "body" into the one of the Blackhawks and then fly it to a Navy CVN off the coast of California.

The Delta Force pilot then looked down at the CVN and said, "I'll go the Hell and back for Delta Force but I'm NOT landing on the pitching deck of a Navy carrier!" ;-)

28 posted on 05/04/2011 4:49:59 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: BuddhaBrown

“Ask any Army vet.”

Go Navy...BEAT Army!!!! ....and they DID....AGAIN!

;-))))))


29 posted on 05/04/2011 4:52:50 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Stayfrosty
Simple explanation. Currently a Navy Admiral command JSOC.
30 posted on 05/04/2011 5:00:28 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Stayfrosty

Ok,, you’re right. I bet it was because Chuck Norris wasn’t available. Better?

The truth is that as exotic as the raid seems,, it was WELL within the capability of LAPD SWAT with months to train up. The raid was WELL within the capability of ANY SEAL Team, or US Army SF elements. With the prep time available, it was doable for a Marine FAST team.

What exactly was the wildly exotic skill set there? They landed IN the compound,,, ingress was no prob. Enemy forces were minimal and were wiped out, as they would have been by any assaulting force. They cleared a midsized house. Osama was shot as he needed to be because anything he did, including standing up and raising his arms in surrender, could have detonated a bomb. Then they took his carcass to the bird, grabbed anything that looked like intel, and flew away.

By far the biggest threat was that Osama had 2000 pounds of C-4 in the basement rigged to a light switch. Thats reason numero uno he was shot dead. And a minor threat from nearby Paki forces. But there was probably US air ready to stop That kind of silliness. Be assured, the rest was solidly in the skill set of any elite infantry unit. That’s true in spades for SEAL or Delta.

But my bet is on Chuck Norris already busy.


31 posted on 05/04/2011 5:05:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: SumProVita

“....and they DID....AGAIN!”

Well, I suppose we had to let you guys have SOMETHING.

I know it’s been tough on your outfit. Cruising the oceans for a decade trying to find the Afghanistan port.

And those poor Seals from the TV commercial are getting really worn out. Constantly slipping, under the cover of clouded moonlight, in and out of every nice sandy beach on the planet and failing to find the one where people speak Afghani.

(Dang CIA map guys, real funny, now those navy guys are suffering from serious shrinkage!)


32 posted on 05/04/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Stayfrosty

And the truth is,,, the high end bunches have massive cross pollination. It’s a safe bet that Delta people were there too,,, or were quietly watching the Paki barracks ready to start a fight there if they tried to react, (maybe there days before watching comings and goings) and USAF controllers were probably also on tap to direct supporting air if needed.

It was probably more joint than they would detail out for us.


33 posted on 05/04/2011 5:17:12 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: BuddhaBrown

BUT...you forgot something. It is now the NAVY that can say, with regard to 9/11, ....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

;-))))))))))


34 posted on 05/04/2011 5:26:14 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

is there ANYTHING more fun than an Army vs Navy thread?


35 posted on 05/04/2011 5:29:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

“is there ANYTHING more fun than an Army vs Navy thread?”

Yep...the Army/Navy Football game....when Navy wins!

;-D


36 posted on 05/04/2011 5:32:42 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Stayfrosty
Pure speculation.

ST6 provided the security element, while the Jedi did the assault.

ST6 had the accidental last Oct, but McRaven is in charge of JSOC. So it wouldn't surprise me if they did give it to them.

37 posted on 05/04/2011 5:38:21 PM PDT by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Sprite518; Jemian
"They were founded by Richard Marcinko

I am proud to say.... an Auburn grad.!!

38 posted on 05/04/2011 6:02:15 PM PDT by Momto2 (Love my Auburn Tigers! War Eagle!!!)
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To: Stayfrosty

Maybe because they got burnt a few times with Osama in their sights and being told no-go, so they said FU and get someone else to do it.


39 posted on 05/04/2011 6:06:29 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Stayfrosty

Maybe because they got burnt a few times with Osama in their sights and being told no-go, so they said FU and get someone else to do it.


40 posted on 05/04/2011 6:06:54 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Stayfrosty

I bet there are guys in bars all across the country right now claiming to be SEALS or former SEALS in the hopes of getting laid. Just like they lied about being firefighters right after 9/11, for the same reason.


41 posted on 05/04/2011 6:18:09 PM PDT by crosshairs (Say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving north.)
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To: Stayfrosty

Mitch Rapp coulda done it by hisself.


42 posted on 05/04/2011 6:20:59 PM PDT by crosshairs (Say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving north.)
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To: Momto2

WAR EAGLE!

Marcinko? How long did he live in Auburn? I’m thinking there was a family here named Marcinko.


43 posted on 05/04/2011 6:22:12 PM PDT by Jemian (War Eagle!)
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To: Stayfrosty

SEAL Team 6 is actually called United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru. They and Delta are all under the same JSOC umbrella. I have a buddy who is ex Delta(he was in during the 90’s) and asked him this same question today since I was wondering about it - he said the press is showing ST6 but it was probably Task Force 88 which is made up of both Delta & DevGru operators. They specialize in HTV operations so it makes since to use them.

I am not one to buy into conspiracy theories but I am leaning towards the theory that they grabbed OBL alive and are saying he is dead so they can “debrief” him. It makes sense. He is worth far more alive and you couldn’t grab him alive officially- it would be a circus, the libs would be calling for a civilian trial or who knows what else. My bet is a My guess is he has a SERE operator working him over right now. ;)


44 posted on 05/04/2011 6:24:39 PM PDT by BootsOfEscaping
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To: SumProVita

“...the NAVY that can say, with regard to 9/11, ....MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!”

Almost without a hitch too, I might add. I mean, if your guys would just remember to take the flippers off before flying the chopper, it would have been flawless. If God had wanted seals to pilot stealth aircraft, He would not have put that beach ball on their noses.

Anyhow, GREAT JOB!
(Here’s your fish.)

For extra credit, why don’t you surface a team in the White House hot tub some cloudy DC night and find them dang pictures. Check the VCR in the war room. I know we have stills of important people watching something. Based on the looks on their ugly mugs, it is ‘must see TV’. (Although Hillary’s look of disgust suggests they might have been previewing O’s new Dancing with the CZars pilot.)

There are only two credible explanations as to why no videos/photos of Osama BeenHindin’ are being released.

One, they don’t exist because someone left the camera in their other wet suit.

Two, they are just embarrassed about the quality. Snorkels in every shot. Water spots. That stupid periscope cross hair. And, for some reason, the subjects always seem to have their eye shut.

BTW, here is an updated version of an age old bit:

Channel 72 VirginNews Reporter to OBL:
“What went through your mind the moment you noticed Navy Seals in the room?”

Osama bin LaidOut:
“Lead”


45 posted on 05/04/2011 6:43:03 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: Stayfrosty
Was at Bragg when Delta was Delta, wouldn't know somef them at all out of uni....this couldn't have been SEAL team six after Commander "Dick" Marcinko was nearly "dip dunked." I don't remember who was up for certain missions but from the scuttle butt whichever SEAL team this was, they've been practicing the snatch/grab, or disappearing folks scum bags like this. This doesn't mean in any way certain ready units from Bragg could NOT have ran this job; it just fell to the SEAL's.
46 posted on 05/04/2011 10:28:17 PM PDT by Karliner (Now this is not the end. .... But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning, Churchill 1942)
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To: Jemian

I’m not sure - but he got a Masters degree from Auburn - I read this on several Auburn boards (AuFamily, etc.) and he apparently appeared on Fox & Friends yesterday (but I missed it). War Eagle!!


47 posted on 05/05/2011 5:44:19 AM PDT by Momto2 (Love my Auburn Tigers! War Eagle!!!)
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To: Momto2

After thinking about it and looking at his bio, I don’t think there are any connections I’d know. The last name is awfully familiar but nothing that really rings a special bell.


48 posted on 05/05/2011 7:46:01 AM PDT by Jemian (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA)
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To: Stayfrosty
I am reading a book called Seal Team Six written by retired Seal Howard E. Wasdin; incredible book and it answers your question better than I ever could. Both teams are equally qualified and at times work together. According to the book Seal Team Six is highly specialized in explosives. The book gives great insight to our special forces and what these guys do for our country.

I must mention that I am an American Citezen by choice and I could not be more proud to be an American.

49 posted on 12/18/2011 1:46:30 AM PST by Luciana
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To: Stayfrosty

Well Considering that Delta IS never suppose to exist the United States probably use the the Navy SEALs as a poster boy for every one In the special Operations Community not saying that they do there own thing but if the news started saying what branch did that and what unit did this the enemy would know and since every things suppose to be hush hush they use the SEALs


50 posted on 03/05/2012 3:48:35 PM PST by Rangerrecon
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