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Is The End Nigh? We'll Know Soon Enough (World to end May 21)
NPR ^ | May 7, 2011 | Barbara Bradley Hagerty

Posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:55 PM PDT by tlb

May 21, "starting in the Pacific Rim at around the 6 p.m. local time hour, in each time zone, there will be a great earthquake,". The true Christian believers will be "raptured": They'll fly upward to heaven.

"and on top of all that, there's no more salvation at that point. 153 days later that the entire universe and planet Earth will be destroyed."

"I no longer think about 401(k)s and retirement," he says. "I'm just a lot less stressed, and in a way I'm more carefree."

Brown is married with several young children, and none of them shares his beliefs. It's caused a rift with his wife — but he says that, too, was predicted in the Bible.

But it appears that many became believers in 2009 after turning on Family Radio, a Christian network. Camping's predictions have inspired other groups to rally behind the May 21 date. People have quit their jobs and left their families to get the message out.

"Knowing the date of the end of the world changes all your future plans," says Adrienne Martinez.

She thought she'd go to medical school, until she began tuning in to Family Radio. She and her husband decided they wanted to spend their remaining time with their infant daughter.

"Why are we going to work for more money? "

"We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won't have anything left," Adrienne adds.

I've asked a dozen of Camping's followers the same question. Everyone said even entertaining the possibility that May 21 would come and go without event is an offense to God. They all hope they'll be raptured.

"If I'm here on May 22, and I wake up, I'm going to be in hell," says Brown

On the other hand, he will presumably have lots of company.

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Take THAT Mayans.

You just know during the night of May 21, the neighbors of these people will lay out complete but empty suits of clothing outside their homes.

From Wikipedia:

In 1961, Family Radio began the Open Forum program, a live weeknight call-in program that Camping hosts.[1] Listeners call in primarily with questions about the meaning of certain passages from the Bible, and Camping answers them by means of interpretations, often with reference to other Biblical passages. Occasionally the questions pertain to general Christian doctrine, such as the nature of sin and salvation, and to matters of everyday life conduct, such as marriage, sexual morality, and education.[1]

This program has continued to the present time and is broadcast on the more than 150 stations owned by Family Radio in the United States. Family Radio programming is broadcast worldwide via shortwave station WYFR, a network of AM and FM radio stations, a cable television station, and the Internet.

In 1970, Camping published The Biblical Calendar of History (later greatly expanded in Adam When?) in which he dated the Creation of the world to the year 11,013 BC and the Flood to 4990 BC. This was in contrast to Bishop James Ussher's famous chronology, which placed creation at 4004 BC and the Flood at 2348 BC. Camping argued that Ussher's dates "agree neither with the Biblical nor the secular evidence" and thus Ussher's methodology was flawed.[7]

Camping teaches that a Biblical calendar has been hidden according to Daniel 12:9, Revelation 22:10 detailing the imminent end of the world (with alleged Biblical evidence pointing to the date for the Rapture as May 21, 2011);[8] of the "end of the church age" (which asserts that churches are no longer the vehicle used by God for salvation, 1 Peter 4:17);[9] and of predestination (Ephesians 1:4-5), according to which God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved. In Camping's latest publications, he states that May 21, 2011 will be "the first day of the Day of Judgment"[10] and October 21, 2011 will be the end of the world.[11] Critics call Camping a "date-setter" following his own method of Biblical interpretation. Camping maintains that he follows the Bible's method of Biblical interpretation.[12]

Followers of Camping claim that around 200 million people (approximately 3% of the world's population) will be raptured.[31]

1 posted on 05/07/2011 9:27:59 PM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
"If I'm here on May 22, and I wake up, I'm going to be in hell," says Brown

Obama has been president for a couple of years now, did you miss it?

2 posted on 05/07/2011 9:31:51 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: tlb

Is this the end or did he say it was the beginning of the end?

I wonder if him made his house payment this month?


3 posted on 05/07/2011 9:32:10 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I am still looking for that box I am supposed to think out of.)
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To: tlb

This will be my third end of the world since 1986.

I am like... all atwitter... and such stuff like that.


4 posted on 05/07/2011 9:34:08 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tlb

Camping is a false prophet who, by his predictions, corrupts the Christian gospel.

Jesus Himself explicitly and repeatedly teaches that know man knows the day and the hour.


5 posted on 05/07/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: tlb

Camping is holding up Christians to such ridicule with these predictions. Not to mention the families that are going to be devastated.

“We budgeted everything so that, on May 21, we won’t have anything left,” Adrienne adds.”

This is terrible.


6 posted on 05/07/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: mmercier

If the Armageddonish predictions and prophecies of the last forty years had come true, the earth would be a speck of dust, and we would be God knows where.


7 posted on 05/07/2011 9:38:48 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Quix

~~~ping~~~


8 posted on 05/07/2011 9:39:23 PM PDT by yorkie (Our POTUS makes me think the person I detested the MOST -- would have been better! (Hillary))
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To: tlb

Self fulfilling prophecy for those who plan to exhaust their
resources by May 21. It will be hell to wake up on May 22nd with
nothing and the disappointment that life goes on. Food costs money.
I sincerely hope the number of folks who took this hook, line and
sinker is small. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. In this case, plan
to keep on living. If the rapture occurs, the material items left behind
are of no consequence. Got an earthquake kit? It’s a good idea. Somes
an earthquake is just an earthquake.


9 posted on 05/07/2011 9:41:59 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: mmercier

Plus I bought a year-long Mega Millions ticket and I’d like to see if I hit.


10 posted on 05/07/2011 9:42:23 PM PDT by MissMack99 (BO Stinks!)
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To: yorkie

I thought Harold Camping was well on toward senility 40 years ago . . . he wouldn’t listen to reason then and certainly shows no sign of it since.

A close personal friend of 40+ years’ daughter’s married to a man that sucks up to Camping’s stuff and has bankrupted his family 2-3 times following Harold’s nonsense.

There’s virtually nothing that the wife nor her father can do regarding the man.

It’s been difficult to impossible to even get her to consider isolating some of her finances.

The devastations are horrific.

Thanks for the ping.


11 posted on 05/07/2011 9:44:56 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tlb

So if God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved, does that mean that a lot of people are doomed and whether they’re good people or evil bastards they’re still not gonna be raptured? Sounds like a pretty crappy system to me.

“Sorry, but even though you’ve lived an exemplary life you’ve drawn a short straw and will have to be... Left Behind!”

Religious stories were written by people long before they had enough knowledge to get it right. The end of the world happens on an individual basis when we die. that’s all. The planet keeps chugging right along. No heaven, no hell, no rapture. I even asked God about it and he didn’t answer because he’s not real.


12 posted on 05/07/2011 9:44:56 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: yorkie

OF COURSE, I’D BE THRILLED to take the first elevator up

were it to occur on that day.

I’m extremely skeptical that it will. 99.999% sure it won’t.


13 posted on 05/07/2011 9:45:59 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tlb

Ayn Rand gave us the phrase, “Going Galt”. This nutjob gives a new
meaning to the phrase, “Going Camping”


14 posted on 05/07/2011 9:46:15 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: tlb
153 days later that the entire universe and planet Earth will be destroyed.

Bummer.

15 posted on 05/07/2011 9:47:56 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: tlb

Yeah ok... I’m betting will all still be here on May 22


16 posted on 05/07/2011 9:50:57 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: tlb
IIRC, Camping predicted the world would end in the 1990s.
17 posted on 05/07/2011 9:52:19 PM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: tlb

As I’ve said on other threads - our church is planning a barn dance May 21st. If it’s the end of the world - we’re gonna go out dancing.


18 posted on 05/07/2011 9:54:44 PM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So you mock God and want Him to answer you? You mock Him saying He doesn't exists. What a strange little man you are. For a person who doesn't believe in Him, you certainly spent a lot of time focused on Him.
19 posted on 05/07/2011 9:58:44 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Amen!


20 posted on 05/07/2011 10:01:38 PM PDT by JustCallMeFrank
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To: tlb

dammit, I’ve got something going on that weekend, can’t he push it out a few days?


21 posted on 05/07/2011 10:02:41 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: svcw
So you mock God and want Him to answer you? You mock Him saying He doesn't exists. What a strange little man you are. For a person who doesn't believe in Him, you certainly spent a lot of time focused on Him.

He's not mocking God. He's mocking you.

22 posted on 05/07/2011 10:05:00 PM PDT by Misterioso (A liberal is a communist, but too stupid to realize it.)
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To: Quix
I've met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It's a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.

But the end-of-the-world stuff... it's undermining an otherwise doctrinally-solid effort to get the Gospel out.

Mr. Camping, in my humble opinion, is a living reason why ministers and other teachers should study in seminary and stand on knowledge. The Bible is not a book that, in it's entirety, any single human being can claim to comprehend - especially in the area of eschatology! Otherwise, you get this...

23 posted on 05/07/2011 10:08:04 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: MissMack99
There are certain cults and religious organizations that have been predicting the end of times on specific dates since history was first recorded.

What I find particularly interesting are those who come back to the faith or philosophy the day after the world did not end.

24 posted on 05/07/2011 10:09:52 PM PDT by mmercier (been going on for a long time)
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To: tlb

Camping is a false teacher and false prophet. He has already “predicted” the exact date of the end of the world—September 6, 1994.

Anyone who believes him is a fool.

Camping should repent, but since he has not done so since 1994 (as evidenced by his decision to propose a new date), it is unlikely that he will.


25 posted on 05/07/2011 10:10:02 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: I still care

“This is terrible.”

And this is a woman who was going to be a doctor, so she’s not dumb.


26 posted on 05/07/2011 10:10:22 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Lexinom

I’ve met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It’s a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.


I agree with you entirely. The network ministered to me a lot when I lived in San Diego.

I always thought it was quite cheeky of him to have AoG folks on his board and to get tons of money from them only to castigate them relentlessly for their theology being more or less from hell in his perspective.

I always thought


27 posted on 05/07/2011 10:11:35 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lexinom

I’ve met Mr. Camping on many occasions. A tall, gaunt, and austere gentleman, he. He comes across as a serious man but has a habit making such foolish predictions, as he did with his book, 1994?.

FWIW Family Stations does some quality broadcast work and has been my companion during some of the darkest and loneliest periods of my life. It’s a rare example of relative purity in a world filled with lasciviousness and scorn.


Except that I believe laymen can study with Holy Spirit’s aid and come up with insights and Biblical truths Semitary scholars and students miss.


28 posted on 05/07/2011 10:12:33 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Immerito

06SEP94...

I remember that one.

Was at work, the world was supposed to end at noon that day.

I remembered it about a week later.


29 posted on 05/07/2011 10:15:27 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tlb
Anyone who believes such nonsense should be locked away from normal people.
30 posted on 05/07/2011 10:16:36 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Immerito

06SEP94...

I remember that one.

Was at work, the world was supposed to end at noon that day.

I remembered it about a week later.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 10:18:34 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tlb

Bummer! This ruins my vacation plans.


32 posted on 05/07/2011 10:19:24 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: mmercier

Sorry for the double post, got interrupted by a hunk of meatball stuck to my butt.

The pups like to bury things in the bed.

It is unsanitary, in the extreme.


33 posted on 05/07/2011 10:22:39 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So if God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved, does that mean that a lot of people are doomed and whether they’re good people or evil bastards they’re still not gonna be raptured? Sounds like a pretty crappy system to me.

The mystery can only be understood with the realization that God invented time and exists outside the boundaries of time. It is how free will and predestination can co-exist for if there is no free will, there could be no just punishment for unbelief. And if there was no predestination, no one could be considered God's chosen.

God knows the results before they happen because he exists beyond time.

That "crappy system" as you call it is how man can choose salvation or choose to reject it and yet God can already direct the outcome.

34 posted on 05/07/2011 10:23:07 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
So if God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved

Well, I'm no theologian, nor am I a religious person, but given the concept of free will, I think it would be more accurate to say that God knew before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved. Think of the sorrow that would bring Him.
35 posted on 05/07/2011 10:24:07 PM PDT by andyk (Wealth != Income)
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To: Quix
I don't disagree with that and should have qualified what I said with understanding en toto. What irks me the most is precisely what's under discussion, and that's eschatology. It irks me because it baffled great men of God after the NT period - men like Augustine, who to this day is "fought over" by various camps. There's no Augustine, Acquinus, Luther, Calvin, Wesley in our day - not even close, because we no longer thing upon deep things because we're too busy being entertained. Therefore, so anyone talking about this is rightly subject to great suspicion as to their motives.

AoG - Assembly of God? My in-laws are AoG - conservative, homeschooling, working-class rural people. Very godly people. We get along well and I love them dearly though we don't agree on everything. AoG are pretty broad in their beliefs if I'm not mistaken.

As far as Camping castigating them, that may be a part of his appeal with them, oddly enough, as he clearly sees himself as a John the Baptist figurehead.

36 posted on 05/07/2011 10:25:01 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: tlb
Jesus said Himself that He will come like a thief in the night.

The point is that nobody will know when; the important thing is to be faithful at all times.

I'm a little bothered by these statements; the key is to be vigilant at all times. Of course it is their right to do so.

37 posted on 05/07/2011 10:33:08 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Lexinom

I think AoG—as I was reared . . .

are typically quite broadly generous, kind, inclusive of a wide diversity of people—come as you are . . . mostly at least the better ones . . . strongly supportive of the family, Biblical inerrancy, basic doctrines of the faith; Acts 2; I Cor 12-14 etc.

They can be fairly narrow and rigid on their view of their distinctives—speaking in tongues being—at least used to be—THE test of “being Spirit filled.” That’s the one main one I disagreed with.

Yet, they do suffer a fairly diverse range of teachings as long as their ministers support the basic doctrines of Christianity and are NOT cessationists . . . and PREACH SCRIPTURE STRAIGHTFORWARDLY.

They are not—or were not when I was in them—overly rigid about the Rapture. And a lot of other things they may believe but hold loosely and are not dogmatic about.

There is a lot of encouraging individuals to go to The Bible and study for themselves vs just taking what the preacher says.

I like that.


38 posted on 05/07/2011 10:36:08 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

You made me curious, so I started looking into it. I guess some Christians believe that God knows everything, and some don’t. One of the arguments for those who don’t insist that God must know everything is a quote from Genesis where God claims to be sorry to have made man (Genesis 6:5-7). It’s a compelling argument. Anyway it is interesting to me, but I’m a conflicted soul :)


39 posted on 05/07/2011 10:36:27 PM PDT by andyk (Wealth != Income)
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To: tlb

Mat 24:36 ¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that
man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


40 posted on 05/07/2011 10:43:08 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: tlb

1 Thessalonians 5
The Day of the Lord
1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.


41 posted on 05/07/2011 10:49:56 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: tlb

Just wait: on May 22nd they’ll all be walking around wearing trusses.


42 posted on 05/07/2011 11:04:39 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: verklaring
Jesus Himself explicitly and repeatedly teaches that know man knows the day and the hour.

That is because 'the end' will come not because of a preselected date, but because of the 'condition' of man.

And when it happens, no one will really even notice it happened, at first. It is likely it may have already occurred.

As far as the 'rapture', we might not really notice that either. How many true believers are there left?

How many people die or disappear each day on an ongoing basis?

43 posted on 05/07/2011 11:35:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Lexinom
Mr. Camping, in my humble opinion, is a living reason why ministers and other teachers should study in seminary and stand on knowledge

Frankly, with the number of walking spiritual corpses I've met who came from "semetary" I'd say your plan's no sure formula for success, either. Knowledge and seminary training just ain't "all that"; "knowledge puffs up, love builds up," wrote the most highly theologically trained contributor to the New Testament. So, obviously, there's a good deal more that's necessary than just the knowledge and training.

One of Camping's core problems is that he is accountable to NOBODY, which should set off deafening alarm bells for every sane person.

I have sat under the preaching of some VERY well-known men of towering spiritual stature, and I know they had — to a man — made themselves accountable to others.

44 posted on 05/07/2011 11:37:05 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A free man unarmed is just a slave on borrowed time.)
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To: Myrddin

Unfortunately, some of the people currently going Camping will be going camping after May 21st.


45 posted on 05/07/2011 11:41:52 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: tlb

Well... should be exciting.


46 posted on 05/07/2011 11:43:15 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (e)
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To: mmercier; MissMack99

IRONY: The fact that if Mr. Camping ever turns out to be right, he will never be able to get credit for it.


47 posted on 05/07/2011 11:43:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: OrangeHoof; Two Kids' Dad
It is how free will and predestination can co-exist for if there is no free will, there could be no just punishment for unbelief. And if there was no predestination, no one could be considered God's chosen.

Predestination is simply the 'path' that God puts us on during our material existence. I.E. he decides 'what' happens to us.

Free-will is how we 'react' to what happens.

48 posted on 05/07/2011 11:49:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: jocon307

I used to listen to Camping in the eighties and early nineties. I was not a new Christian, but had some basic principles of bible interpretation.

I had just enough to come to the place where he had me very confused.

I never really believed JC would come in 1994, but I didn’t understand WHY Camping’s methods were so flawed. I do owe him - he made me realize I had to understand hermaneutics more- and I went out of my way to truly study the subject. Walter Martin had a good six cassette set on the subject and it was funny - almost every rule he brought up, Camping had broken.

But I can understand how an undereducated or new Christian could fall for his stuff, and how devasting it could be on their future faith.

I remember coming home from the South in 1994 Sept and seeing bedsheets over the parkway railings “Christ is Coming”. There were people in my town who sold everything they had in prep.


49 posted on 05/07/2011 11:58:43 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: UCANSEE2

The world shall end for all of us, likely one at a time.

One should never say never however...

I am dying as are you. Would it not be interesting to perish with all of humanity at one moment...?

Obviously there are some who desire this.

It is a peculiar, catchy taste.


50 posted on 05/07/2011 11:59:30 PM PDT by mmercier
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