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Heidelberg Man Links Humans, Neanderthals
Discovery News ^ | 05-04-2011 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 05/09/2011 11:34:59 AM PDT by Renfield

The last common ancestor of humans and Neanderthals was a tall, well-traveled species called Heidelberg Man, according to a new PLoS One study.

The determination is based on the remains of a single Heidelberg Man (Homo heidelbergensis) known as "Ceprano," named after the town near Rome, Italy, where his fossil -- a partial cranium -- was found.

Previously, this 400,000-year-old fossil was thought to represent a new species of human, Homo cepranensis. The latest study, however, identifies Ceprano as being an archaic member of Homo heidelbergensis......

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: ceprano; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; homoheidelbergensis; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; paleoanthropology

1 posted on 05/09/2011 11:35:02 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Heidelberg Man ping...


2 posted on 05/09/2011 11:35:38 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

That’ll work until we find Gucci man.


3 posted on 05/09/2011 11:37:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Renfield
...his fossil -- a partial cranium -- was found.

They sure do extrapolate a lot of information from a partial cranium. See if you can find one of his teeth, so you can tell us what kind of music he liked.
4 posted on 05/09/2011 11:40:20 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: Renfield

I used to have a Neanderthal for a business partner.


5 posted on 05/09/2011 11:41:25 AM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: Renfield

"Stay thirsty, my friend."

6 posted on 05/09/2011 11:41:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Renfield

I love it when science starts with a conclusion, and then searches in vain for supporting evidence.


7 posted on 05/09/2011 11:42:51 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Renfield

manbearpig?


8 posted on 05/09/2011 11:43:43 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Sacajaweau
We already know the modern day identity of bruno magli man!
9 posted on 05/09/2011 11:49:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Renfield

When you look at successful species they tend to hang around a while, Us for example. I tend to think the these Homo’s were out lyres that occupied a similar niche.


10 posted on 05/09/2011 11:50:56 AM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Renfield

Never underestimate the intellect of your neighborhood printer.


12 posted on 05/09/2011 11:53:28 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Little Bill

“I tend to think the these Homo’s were out lyres that occupied a similar niche.”

Indeed, being homos that played lyres probably was not a great way to propagate the species.

;-)


13 posted on 05/09/2011 12:02:33 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Renfield

They are the ancestors of the first registered Democrat.


14 posted on 05/09/2011 12:07:23 PM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: Renfield

15 posted on 05/09/2011 12:11:10 PM PDT by stormer
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To: TheThirdRuffian
You are probably right, dancing around a fire, offering up tops and bottoms probably did them in! LOL
16 posted on 05/09/2011 12:12:27 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Global Warming, anyone?


17 posted on 05/09/2011 12:17:16 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: Renfield
The determination is based on the remains of a single Heidelberg Man (Homo heidelbergensis) known as "Ceprano," named after the town near Rome, Italy, where his fossil -- a partial cranium -- was found.

The assured results of modern science. They can't even stay consistent from one decade to the next on dietary advice.

18 posted on 05/09/2011 12:20:05 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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19 posted on 05/09/2011 12:26:11 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Renfield
a tall, well-traveled species called Heidelberg Man

Heidelberg Man consults with Naples Man on his itinerary.

20 posted on 05/09/2011 12:28:25 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Renfield
I will wait for scientists to get involved. The first line say “Conscious is building...”

Consensus gave us Global Warming also.

21 posted on 05/09/2011 12:30:55 PM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: Renfield
How would they determine whether a single skeleton or fraction is 'average' for a species.Imagine if the first fossil found of modern Homo sapiens belonged to this guy.

22 posted on 05/09/2011 12:41:01 PM PDT by jmcenanly ( "We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him." -Samuel)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Indeed, being homos that played lyres probably was not a great way to propagate the species.

The bunga bunga parties of Homo Berlugensis, on the other hand...

23 posted on 05/09/2011 12:42:37 PM PDT by decimon
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To: TheOldLady

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24 posted on 05/09/2011 12:47:30 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Renfield

Ah, Tony Soprano’s ancestor . . .


25 posted on 05/09/2011 12:55:49 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Renfield

“Sh_t Bob. We’d better come up with something or we’ll lose our grant.”
“What do we have?”
“We found an old dog turd.”
“Hmmm...let’s call the New York Times people and tell them we found a caveman fried dough food.”
“Yeah, genius! Those dumb bast_rds don’t know the difference between a dog turd and a donut.”


26 posted on 05/09/2011 1:07:59 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Renfield
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27 posted on 05/09/2011 1:40:37 PM PDT by floozy22 (The left has an irrational devotion to protecting evil.)
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Thanks Renfield!
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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28 posted on 05/09/2011 5:17:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; neverdem
Geez...I am so confused.

So: this guy 400k years ago was ancestral to Neandertal and us...but...haven't they been telling us for years now that our ancestors left Africa just 200k or so years ago?

Hmmm...somebody help me out here...

29 posted on 05/09/2011 5:29:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy
Last time I read about it, they genetically (via mitochondrial DNA) traced us back to a single woman, Eve, approx 80K years ago. Eve originated in Africa.

There are some theories that humans and Neanderthals interbred.

So the story goes...

30 posted on 05/09/2011 5:42:19 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SunkenCiv

YOIKS!

At the risk of sounding (ummm...errr...) “risque’” this stuff just does NOT make sense!! LOL!


31 posted on 05/09/2011 5:48:54 PM PDT by Monkey Face (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: dhs12345
Ahhh...yes...THAT clears it up...our guys waited around in Europe for, say, 320 thousand years for mitochondrial Eve to show up.

My Euro ancestors may have been primitive, but they sure were patient.

32 posted on 05/09/2011 5:52:02 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Renfield; mamelukesabre; Trillian; agrace; 1010RD; calex59; TheOldLady; killermosquito; AdmSmith; ..
This is total BS. The Neanderthal has been ruled out as a plausible ancestor for modern man because the genetic gap is simply too wide, Neanderthal DNA being described as about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and Heidelbergensis was substantially further remolved from us than the Neanderthal.

The question of the BASIC NON EVOLUTION OF MODERN MAN has been gone over here before.

Too remote to be ancestral to is a transitive relationship; The Neanderthal is too remote to be ancestral to us and all other hominids were substantially further removed from us THAN the Neanderthal.

Neanderthal:

Heidelbergensis:

WE ARE NOT RELATED TO ANY HOMINID. Hominids were advanced apes; we are NOT apes. Any similarities between apes, humans, and hominids are examples of similar design parameters, and that's all.

Oh, yeah, one little new item or data point here and the question of at least some hominids walking upright as if that were proof of kinship to humans....

Check this out...

Walking upright you ask? Been there, done that.....

33 posted on 05/09/2011 6:19:39 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: youngidiot

“They sure do extrapolate a lot of information from a partial cranium. See if you can find one of his teeth, so you can tell us what kind of music he liked.”

What did Mark Twain have to say? Oh yeah:

“There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.”


34 posted on 05/09/2011 6:26:15 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: wendy1946

Maybe WE are evolving into gorillas! That one on the left is stating to look purrritttyy good to me...


35 posted on 05/09/2011 7:16:30 PM PDT by alstewartfan (While we lay under our roofs, the whole night filled up with the beating of hooves. Al Stewart)
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To: wendy1946; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...

*Yawn*

Another missing link.....

Can you say *hobbit*?


36 posted on 05/09/2011 7:25:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Little Bill
When you look at successful species they tend to hang around a while, Us for example.

Um, yeah.......

It's not like they're considered successful because they hung around a little, now is it?

Which side of the debate are you on?

37 posted on 05/09/2011 7:29:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wendy1946

that gorrilla is nothing.

the asian black bear is known to walk upright and ITS NOT EVEN A PRIMATE!


38 posted on 05/09/2011 7:37:08 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 05/09/2011 8:36:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: dhs12345
There are some theories that humans and Neanderthals interbred.

Evolutionists used to have lots of weird fantasies about Neanderthals.

40 posted on 05/09/2011 10:50:44 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Pharmboy
The latest study...
41 posted on 05/10/2011 3:50:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
I infer that you mean that the out of Africa has been superseded by this latest study. No way...the OOA hs been, is and will be the belief set among anthropologists despite data that have existed for years to contradict it.

Agenda driven...

42 posted on 05/10/2011 5:00:43 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

OOA and how about Bering Sea crossing nonsense?


43 posted on 05/10/2011 6:11:23 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
While I believe some crossed the Bering Strait land-bridge, that particular migration may not have been the most important. Primitive boats traveling close to shore, IMO, were the manner in which so much of the Americas were peopled...from both Asia and Europe.
44 posted on 05/10/2011 6:43:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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