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Question about smuggling of illegal aliens next door to me
looing out my window ^ | May 9th, 2011 | moonshinner_09

Posted on 05/09/2011 2:07:02 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

I wanted to ask a question about something I saw looking out my window. Last week about 2 am my cat wakes me wanting his food dish brought out so he can eat. Since I could not go right back to sleep, I got on the computer. I had open a blade on mini blinds to see outside. So about 3 am a white commercial looking box truck pulls up. (Next door are some hispanics ) The truck pulls up, the driver quickly gets out of truck walks quickly to back of truck to open it, it had the pull up / pull down function. When the back was opened out came 2 Mexicans who they quickly rushed inside of their house. I noticed inside the truck there was a mattress/box springs upright leaning against the inside of truck and this was all I could that was in there. A person leaned in towards driver, on passgener window side ( paying him ?) unsure. But Within 4 minutes, this truck takes off and was gone. In my opinion no normal people are riding around in the back of a truck with a mattress and box springs at 3 am in the morning being dropped off. Would any of you considered this to be a case of human tracking? At this same location few weeks back a car pulls up in front of this same house,the driver gets outs walks to back of car, opens his trunk takes out a license plate, takes to house and within 2 minutes he was gone. I am thinking it was put out of sight for a reason, for somebody had stolen it is what I think? What would you make of all this ?

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1 posted on 05/09/2011 2:07:04 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

>>Question about smuggling of illegal aliens next door to me<<

I recommend against it. It is better to smuggle the ones a few blocks away...


2 posted on 05/09/2011 2:08:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: moonshinner_09

Simple....College break....Couldn’t afford Florida.


3 posted on 05/09/2011 2:09:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: moonshinner_09
Well, don' just stand there. Man up!! Make a citizen's arrest!!

Make sure your life insurance is paid up first.

4 posted on 05/09/2011 2:11:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: moonshinner_09

Your concerns are probably right. Something not quite right is going on in that house.

But, I don’t know what could be done. If you are witnessing activities which are not part of a violent crime, I don’t know if you can call authorities and alert them to that house.

Keep your eyes and ears open, but again, law enforcement probably can’t/won’t get involved without some violent crime happening there.


5 posted on 05/09/2011 2:11:34 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: moonshinner_09

They “rushed” in two people? Were they sort of pushed in and they went willingly or were they shoved in like they were resisting? IMHO, if you report this... do it anonymously. I am sure you can report a situation without giving your name.


6 posted on 05/09/2011 2:11:34 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: moonshinner_09

Your suspicions are probably correct. Report it to the cops and to ICE. Not that ICE will do anything but at least you will know you did the right thing.


7 posted on 05/09/2011 2:14:27 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Call Border Patrol. Call Sheriff Arpaio. Document?


9 posted on 05/09/2011 2:16:42 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: moonshinner_09

Meant to also say that if you witnessed two questionable things, then there’s probably more going on like drugs and ID theft. So watch your mailbox and caution the neighbors, too. Yeah, don’t give your name and block your phone number... not that LE can’t figure it out but don’t make it easy for them.


10 posted on 05/09/2011 2:17:50 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: moonshinner_09

24 hour mattress movers?


11 posted on 05/09/2011 2:18:11 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: moonshinner_09

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens Enforcement RICO —Citizen Recourse Tax Crimes Comment

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) “Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.”

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

· assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or · encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or · knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. ·

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an illegal alien for a fee, knowing the illegal alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an illegal alien knowing that the illegal alien is unauthorized to work.

It is unlawful to hire any individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days’ advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. “Day laborers” or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the illegal alien labor.

The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

It is illegal for nonprofit or religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist illegal aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any illegal alien who is in the United States in violation of law. Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien’s illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien’s entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that “encouraging” includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years’ imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years’ imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the illegal alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years’ imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer’s consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.


12 posted on 05/09/2011 2:19:04 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: moonshinner_09

What if you call the local government agency that’s in charge of mold abatement and tell them that there’s a strong odor of mold and mildew coming from that house even when the doors and windows are shut and would they please come take a look. Those mold investigators are tenacious and have all sorts of legal loopholes to rummage through a house.

Or find a pay phone (if there’s one around anymore) and call 9-1-1 to report a woman’s screams coming from inside that home. They’ll go through every room in the house and talk to everyone inside. It’ll reduce the likelihood of any future illegal activity over there.


13 posted on 05/09/2011 2:21:59 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: freedumb2003

1-800-USBPHLP
(872-7457)


14 posted on 05/09/2011 2:22:42 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: moonshinner_09

Wow. Your neighbor problems just keep getting weirder, week to week.


15 posted on 05/09/2011 2:23:52 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: moonshinner_09

What state do you live in?


16 posted on 05/09/2011 2:23:52 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t do anything. Our glorious leaders have told us that this is a good thing.


17 posted on 05/09/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by Moonman62 (An illegal alien from Kenya did the job George W Bush didn't want to do.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Any idea if the residents are the owners of the house or if they’re just renting?

That might be a factor. If they’re renters, perhaps the owners can step up to the plate and evict them or work in coordination with the police to stop the activity. If they’re the owners, perhaps the property can be seized under one or more of the statutes posted above by another FReeper.


18 posted on 05/09/2011 2:25:25 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: moonshinner_09
Sadly, some of these illegals become slaves of whoever brought them in. You might actually be doing them a favor to report them.
19 posted on 05/09/2011 2:26:26 PM PDT by Excellence (Buy Progresso, take off the label, write "not halal," mail to Campbell's soup company.)
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To: moonshinner_09

If you call your local police department you might be arrested for racial profiling.


20 posted on 05/09/2011 2:29:36 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: moonshinner_09

http://www.dhs.gov/files/reportincidents/see-something-say-something.shtm

Sounds like they want you to report these things.


21 posted on 05/09/2011 2:33:41 PM PDT by Rio
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To: forgotten man

“Arrested for racial profiling?” Don’t be an idiot.


22 posted on 05/09/2011 2:33:42 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: moonshinner_09

Buy a video camera and start documenting. It could be drugs or sex slaves in coming shipments for all you know.


23 posted on 05/09/2011 2:34:44 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Releasing the photos is a "GUTSY CALL"............)
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To: moonshinner_09
What would James Stewart do?


24 posted on 05/09/2011 2:36:00 PM PDT by Rio
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To: loboinok

The people on this thread and Sheriff Arpaio are the only people who have read that law, much less followed it.


25 posted on 05/09/2011 2:36:03 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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26 posted on 05/09/2011 2:36:15 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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27 posted on 05/09/2011 2:37:32 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Rio
What would James Stewart do?


28 posted on 05/09/2011 2:37:38 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: forgotten man
Move outa town. By now, they've seen you spying on them and are just thinking how the story should end.

Or you could play nice, nice...Make some enchaladas and welcome them to the neighborhood. Before you know it, you'll be drinking together. And don't forget, they take siestas...that'll be your chance to investigate. Ask if you can use the john. Offer to get your own ice for your rum and coke. (Freezer is always a good drug holding place because dogs are short.)

29 posted on 05/09/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: moonshinner_09

Only one thing to do.

Dress in all black - black face paint - sneak out at night - take pictues of the license plates.

(THAT was one weird thread. I went looking for it. Didn’t find it. Did it get pulled?)


30 posted on 05/09/2011 2:40:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: moonshinner_09

I’d advise against filing a false report. Tell the truth. Tell the police what you suspect is happening. Ask for extra patrols in your neighborhood during the early morning hours. If you don’t live in a “sanctuary city,” the police will be happy to bust up a smuggling ring.

And if you don’t own gun, get one. If the neighbors are engaged in criminal behavior, it’s only a matter of time before your life and property are threatened.


31 posted on 05/09/2011 2:41:41 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: freedumb2003

Pass it around and educate the ignorant!


32 posted on 05/09/2011 2:41:57 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: momtothree

What I mean is the 2 who came out of back of truck we’re not standing around thanking the driver for the lovely ride or offering him a tip. They just got out quick and they took them inside quick.Things people due to avoid being seen or heard. There was no reunion are anything like that. But they sure we’re in a hurry to get them inside. No I did not see guns,but it’s just the haste of getting them inside that looked very abnormal, is what I am saying. In minutes 2 mexicans, their greeter,truck, all gone.


33 posted on 05/09/2011 2:43:06 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why would any grown person need our advice on this matter. Either tell someone...or not.


34 posted on 05/09/2011 2:43:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Responsibility2nd
No, it did NOT get pulled.
 
Still here.
 
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35 posted on 05/09/2011 2:43:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I was being slightly sarcastic. I live in California. There is an illegal alien campsite less than a mile from my home. I compalined to my city council member about it. The city council member sent a uniformed police officer to my door. The cop told me they don’t have the manpower to do anything. Meanwhile the illegals are still there crapping into the river and making fires. I won’t complain again.


36 posted on 05/09/2011 2:45:38 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: moonshinner_09
Best FReeper inquiry since this one.
37 posted on 05/09/2011 2:47:47 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: moonshinner_09

Report it to your local drug enforcement task force. Human traffickers also traffic drugs. Use a payphone and a drug tipline.

You could also use a public computer (library or school) to report the address to every city, county and state agency for violation of whatever regulations that agency oversees.

A couple of hundred complaints will generate enough looky lou’s to cause the occupants to move once they realize they are on the radar of officialdom.

You could also mail the address an anonymous letter telling them that they’ve been reported for suspicious activity. Might make them uneasy enough to find a new safe house.


38 posted on 05/09/2011 2:50:27 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: moonshinner_09
Well, I lived for many years in Oak Cliff, a part of Dallas south of downtown. Our block was pretty good but other nearby blocks had turned into all cash rent houses.

For over a year we had a 15 passenger van stop at a house on our street and unload passengers every Saturday morning. Everyone had one small suitcase with them. Several of our neighbors called the Dallas police, and I contacted a friend on the force.

After almost two years we started having small thefts all over the neighborhood after these Saturday morning visits from Mexico. The DPD finally raided the place and arrested a girl who was renting the home in her name. Turns out no one knew anything, the girl disappeared while on bail, the landlord said he “checked on them all the time”, never saw anything unusual.

Net result? Two years of worry, time wasted by the DPD to even chase these guys, and the house stayed vacant until burned in a suspicious fire, probably by local addicts. My friend told me that these cases usually take too much time to prosecute and convictions are hard to get unless they catch all of them arriving. Besides, they only stayed overnight to shower and sleep before heading to Chicago.

39 posted on 05/09/2011 2:51:21 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: moonshinner_09

How do you know they were Mexicans?


40 posted on 05/09/2011 2:53:00 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"...If you are witnessing activities which are not part of a violent crime, I don’t know if you can call authorities and alert them to that house."

Don't know the size of your town nor your location but in my town, I'd phone the authorities at that time of "suspicious possibly drug related" at that time then follow up the next day with my local authorities.

There would be a Co. Sheriff's officer responding at 3:00 a.m. but local police would be notified and let me know of situation as I'd "be concerned for my physical well-being" for any drug or gang related goings on.

41 posted on 05/09/2011 3:08:10 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: moonshinner_09
Like others here will say, law enforcement - especially federal level - probably won't do crap unless there is some crime that affects them personally.

MY best advice is to drop a dime on that house from a payphone (if you can still find one) and tell them that there is obviously a LOT of damn money being made there, and you are absolutely sure these people are giving the IRS their share - problem solved.

42 posted on 05/09/2011 3:21:18 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Jean S

I am from Texas


43 posted on 05/09/2011 3:29:45 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Don’t where you live, but a human trafficking group was busted up here. They were using Mexican women as prostitutes for Mexican men from Knox County, TN to Louisville, KY. They moved the women frequently over the last 4 years and is the 2nd one reported within the last couple of years: http://www.wate.com/story/14601512/9-indicted-in-east-tennesseee-interstate-prostitution-network


44 posted on 05/09/2011 3:33:59 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: Sacajaweau

They did not see me spying, They know when I’m home I am always looking outside. Besides they do not like me cause I already went over there once and went off them very loudly about them stealing my licence plate , I have breast cancer plate and one day their car had it on and mine had it off. Cops took a report but that is as far as it went. Me looking out the window is normal now.


45 posted on 05/09/2011 3:35:19 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
You're rather new to FR.

No further comment.

46 posted on 05/09/2011 3:41:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freedumb2003

Like rest areas, next drop house 120 miles-LOL


47 posted on 05/09/2011 4:38:50 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: momtothree

What I mean is the 2 who came out of back of truck we’re not standing around thanking the driver for the lovely ride or offering him a tip. They just got out quick and they took them inside quick.Things people due to avoid being seen or heard. There was no reunion are anything like that. But they sure we’re in a hurry to get them inside. I did not see guns,but it’s just the haste of getting them inside that looked very abnormal, is what I am saying. In minutes 2 mexicans, their greeter,truck, all gone.


48 posted on 05/09/2011 4:43:27 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Two Kids' Dad

THE very best post in this thread.


49 posted on 05/09/2011 4:53:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
Scream?? You really think LE can just walk in the door and check all the rooms???

And call the mold police??

50 posted on 05/09/2011 4:57:08 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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